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Re: Holland’s Successor [message #830069 is a reply to message #830068 ]	Thu, 22 February 2024 13:25

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 22 February 2024 13:16

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 February 2024 12:50

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 February 2024 11:23

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 February 2024 13:17

I would love if the Oilers talked to some agents. They certainly can have some of the skills required. Namely, managing the salary cap, negotiating contracts, navigating the CBA. That is a great starting point.

I think more than ever managing an NHL team needs a great team of people. Most importantly you need someone at the top who exudes true leadership - someone no to prideful, devoid of pettines. Someone who is more than just "OK" not always being the smartest guy in the room - you want someone who WANTS to have smarter people in the room. Someone who can admit to making a mistake and do what it takes to correct it - not double down in an effort to save face.

And then you need someone who knows hockey as you always have - how to build a team, types of players, etc...You need someone who is a good negotiator for trades. You need a good negotiator for contracts. You need someone who knows and understands the CBA, especially as it relates to the cap, inside and out. You need someone who understands analytics and their applications. You need great pro scouts - the moneyball types of guys, especially when you are in your Cup window.

Though a single guy at the top can't guarantee success, the wrong guy can certainly guarantee failure.

For sure. In theory a great GM could just be an expert in hiring the smartest people, evaluating their arguments, then making a decision. And of course, managing the owner.

But I do think having a good base of knowledge on how to manage a salary cap is a starting point.

This is kind of an argument for a junior GM over a old school NHL GM. Junior teams to manage a bunch of different rules (age, eligibility, school, guys going to the patch, the WJC, draft picks leaving) outside of just finding the best players. It takes a pretty delicate balancing act to be a good hockey team over the long term while avoiding the massive peaks and valleys we see from teams like the Oil Kings. Managing and projecting performance and eligibility isn't much different from projecting performance and cap implications. No doubt a good CHL GM would have to be pretty adept at managing a team of people providing inputs. First question I'd ask in a GM interview is what their desired org structure would be. Second and third would be about information flow and decision making.

Fun facts I just noticed: the Oil Kings have NEVER finished 2nd or 3rd in the central. 7 times in 1st, twice in 4th, four times in fifth,. three times in sixth. Similarly of all the times they've gotten into they playoffs they've either lost out in the first round or gone to the WHL finals except on time.

Like Kelly McCrimmon who spent 26 yrs with Brandon who if I remember was typically a pretty decent team in the WHL every year. He went from Brandon to AGM in Vegas, then a couple of years later the GM. So he went from no NHL experience to being the GM in a very short period of time.

Hunter went from the Knights to the Leafs as their director of player personnel, then split the GM duties with Dubas for a bit, then were AGM's under Lou.

I want the Oilers to do their due diligence on lots of candidates but if they come to the decision it's Hunter, his path looks pretty similar to McCrimmon. He actually has more experience than McCrimmon did when he made the jump.

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Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:00
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:06
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:17
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:26
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:40
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 21 February 2024 16:58
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Wed, 21 February 2024 17:07
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 08:06
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Thu, 22 February 2024 08:51
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 09:27
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Thu, 22 February 2024 09:47
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 10:03
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Thu, 22 February 2024 10:17
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Mike on Thu, 22 February 2024 12:23
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Thu, 22 February 2024 12:50
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 22 February 2024 13:16
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 13:25
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 22 February 2024 09:54
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 10:05
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Mullet on Thu, 22 February 2024 10:09
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Thu, 22 February 2024 10:20
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: NetBOG on Wed, 21 February 2024 19:03
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: oiltec on Wed, 21 February 2024 20:36
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: HamBlaster on Wed, 21 February 2024 21:52
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 22 February 2024 08:09
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 08:41
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Adam on Thu, 22 February 2024 00:36
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Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 14:04
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Mike on Thu, 22 February 2024 15:04
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 22 February 2024 15:17
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 22 February 2024 17:32
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 22 February 2024 22:00
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Adam on Thu, 22 February 2024 22:42
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 23 February 2024 01:41
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Re: Holland’s Successor	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 23 February 2024 12:19
Re: Holland’s Successor	By: smyth260 on Fri, 23 February 2024 12:28
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