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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 28 November 2023 11:28

PI, Different question. Since you do not agree with scratching a player or benching him when he repeatedly doesn't do as you ask. You feel it's archaic and the player should be worked with over and over and over again in the hopes eventually he will do as the coaches ask.

I don't know what you do for a living, maybe you are your own boss and only answer to yourself and only have yourself to be accountable too. But I work in an office, I manage people. As a boss, I tell employees what I need done and how it needs to get done. I show them how to do it and then give them a chance to complete a task. If the employee doesn't do the task or doesn't do it properly, we give them direction again and show them how to do it again and give them another chance. We typically do this multiple times. If the employee still can't get it done, we will try to reduce their role, give them easier things to do in the hopes they can master the easier tasks then move up. But at some point, if that employee refuses to do what we ask or keeps making the same mistake, consequences happen. We can only give the person so many chances. We can only invest so much time, effort and training into a person before we have to do more drastic consequences. Usually the ultimate consequence is they either get suspended or lose their job all together.

We had an employee we just let go. He was a graduate from a tech school. We hired him in April to work some in the field but mostly in the office doing computer drafting. He didn't have work experience but he took classed in the tech school on the computer program we use. We knew he needed lots of training when he was hired. His station was in what we call our "bullpen". It has other staff members doing similar things to help him. Our drafting coordinator sits right behind him. She was at his desk every single day many times a day helping him. She adjusted her hours so she could come in earlier in order to get some of her own work done because she spent so much of her day beside him. We started him off doing the most simplest drafting we have. He couldn't get it right. Month after month we worked with him. He would do something and would have to do it 3 or 4 times and it still wouldn't be right. Eventually someone else would have to fix it. He got constant direction from our coordinator, other staff, project managers. After 3 months on the job, we had a meeting with him to let him know where he was at and what he needed to work on. We kept him and trained him for 7 months, he didn't improve. Generally in my business, by the end of November, we slow down over the winter so if we are making staffing changes, this is the time. As a management team and after talking with our drafting coordinator, we decided to let him go because the work he produced after 7 months was still very poor and it hindered our drafting team because of the amount of supervision we had to give him to produce drawings that weren't right and had to be fixed by someone else. So it was costing us time and lots of money. So we let him go after many, many chances.

I understand my example is not a hockey team but it's still an example that has relevance because it's of an employee who's not performing as required and who was given many chances to improve, shown how to improve and talked too and the results didn't chance so we had to do something more drastic after exhausting all other avenues. So do you feel how we operate is also archaic? Do you feel it's a requirement of every organization to give their employees endless chances to improve with zero consequences if they don't ever do as they are required?

I get to deal with a ton of performance issues at work. It's my least favorite part of what I do and most of the time the best solution is to get the person a different supervisor. Once that worker / boss relationship is fractured it rarely recovers. If your company gave clear instructions, timely feedback, opportunity to improve, realistic goals, and proper training and the guy just didn't get it... by all means move on. Sometimes the pieces just don't fit.

But that's not what we're talking about. That would be moving the guy up and down the lineup based on merit and giving extra attention in practice and the film room. The real life workplace equivalent to benching is 'stay home tomorrow and really think about if you want to keep this job'. I've never seen that be used successfully except in safety situations as a last chance mechanism. I can't imagine Kuzmenko is on his last chance.

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