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Re: Summer 2023 Signings and Trades... [message #824523 is a reply to message #824520 ]	Mon, 26 June 2023 11:36

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 26 June 2023 08:54

If the Kings trade for Dubois happens, I am not convinced that makes then better. There is something up with Dubios as this will be his third team at 25 and the Kings will probably be giving him close to 9 mill based on what all the rumors are.

Dubois is a very good player.

He's left a bad situation where he and the coach weren't seeing eye to eye in Columbus. Tortorella is a notoriously difficult coach to work with, and he didn't outlast Dubois by very long. It's worth noting that Dubois was traded for Laine - so it's not like he was just let go by Columbus. To this point, I probably give the Blue Jackets the win in that deal because they also got Roslovic, so even with Laine having some injury issues there, they have got 254 points out of that deal to Dubois' 143 in the three years since. The extra piece for Winnipeg was a 3rd round pick who was still in the OHL last year but it's not looking like he'll be an impact guy. Worth noting, both Laine and Roslovic had asked to get out of Winnipeg, so it's possible the Jets were in the weaker negotiating position. (Also interesting to me is that Laine's actually been VERY good in the last two years as a Blue Jacket. 108 points in 111 games. Minus player, but significantly better than many others on the team - he was -12 to Gaudreau's -33 last year for instance. The narrative on him has been that he's been a disappointment, but the stats don't really bear that out. I wonder if some team doesn't get him at a bargain rate at some point.)

With Winnipeg, he wants out, but again, that team has been a mess and virtually everyone wants to start fresh. Bowness - statistically one of the worst coaches of all-time - was throwing his players under the bus at the end of the season after losing a round where they weren't expected to win and where they were short several players from injuries, so it's hard to blame anyone for looking for an exit there.

While I would rather have Laine than Dubois, he's a pretty solid player.

All that said, I'm curious what the full deal looks like. Iafallo put up 36 points in 59 games last year. Vilardi is only 23 (24 in August) and put up 41 in 63 games last season (Dubois was 63 in 73 games). If the Kings are getting nothing else back, then this is one that could look lopsided against them in the future. Vilardi is probably slightly cheaper than Dubois on their next contracts, so there's a bit of a cap savings for LA maybe, but unless they spend that to add another solid winger, I don't see this as a clear win for them. Vilardi could potentially be scoring at the same rate as Dubois next year at a cheaper rate! All that of course is caveated on not knowing what else is in the deal. If the Jets also give a good pick or prospect, then it's a little closer.

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