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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken [message #824357 is a reply to message #824351 ]	Fri, 16 June 2023 16:03

Adam
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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:30

His honesty is refreshing and disturbing. He is not wrong. He can put the best on-ice product together but he cannot guarantee wins or championships. That is the truth and look no further than this year. The first and second round eliminated most of the pre tournament Cup contenders.

Holland is a terrible interview. I do not put a lot of stock into these articles. If I did, I would lose my mind and give up on hockey. Fortunately, in my eyes, I have seen this team take sizeable steps forward in each of the last 3 years (small slip this year, but I felt this team was better than last despite the no WCF).

Visually we are a better team with warts. We have the two most entertaining players in the league, a solid nucleus around them, a middling defense and a questionable goaltending tandem with upside (not guaranteed).

I choose t not believe the sky is not falling and hopefully Holland's replacement will interview better, whether it be his boy, Staios or anyone not name Chiarelli.

The problem with Holland is that if you look at his past interviews, there's no artifice. He just says what he thinks, and then he tends to act on what he's said in these interviews. I don't think it occurs to him that he could bend the truth or that he could be strategic in how he positions his responses.

When he says the goaltending is set, I believe it. When he says he can't find a way to bring another impact player in, I take him at his word. When he says he's struggling to manage the cap and was hoping it would jump by $5MM a year like it used to, I think he really did anticipate that with every contract he signed in the past few years. He even says he thinks it'll go back to doing that again in the future!

When he suggests that he needs to trade someone for cap space, seconds after mentioning Yamamoto - and specifically suggesting he's the non big performer in the top six - well, when you see him dealing 4th and Yamamoto to someone for future considerations, think back to this interview.

When it's a 1-year deal for Bouchard setting him up for an even bigger payday next year? Well, he said it all here.

With regards to his lack of swagger - it's not like Nugent-Bowman asked him if he could guarantee a win. He actually said that losing to the Cup winner two years in a row - does that mean the Oilers are close? And Holland decided that he needed to pour some cold water on things with that tepid response. I think he's already thinking we might not win and that he doesn't really want to be blamed for it. I mean, if the cap had gone up $5MM per year then he'd have like $15-20MM more to play with and all the bad decisions wouldn't have mattered, so it's not really fair to blame him!

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