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Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46) [message #816814 is a reply to message #816811 ]	Tue, 17 January 2023 18:44

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 17:15

benv wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 18:43

Adam wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 16:09

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 15:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 17:05

Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 14:47

I did read the Oilers have been scouting this guy. 2.8 m cap hit vs PJ's 3m/

https://www.nhl.com/player/vladislav-gavrikov-8478882

-1 on a really bad CBJ team is pretty darn good. That's all I've got. CBJ is terrible.

Considering Jarmo Kekalainen (Blue Jackets GM) was the one who passed on Jesse in the draft, I am someone skeptical that he will want to give up a guy for him, especially with so much of him team underperforming as it is. Oilers would have to add something to make it worth his while.

He passed on Puljujarvi, but does that mean anything besides that they liked the center, Dubois, better? People read way too much in to this. I mean, last year, the Canadian GM of the Montreal Canadiens passed on Shane Wright, a Canadian kid, in order to draft Juraj Slafkovsky of Slovakia!!! Does he know something that others don't because he's Canadian? Would an American GM have just made the call and picked Wright? Maybe not since Tom Fitzgerald of the Devils also passed on him for ANOTHER Slovak in Simon Nemec.

And then Canadian GM Bill Armstrong of the Coyotes ALSO passed on him and picked American Logan Cooley, so maybe many Canadians knew that Shane Wright just didn't have the "Wright Stuff".

The Finnish thing is a dumb storyline that is really irrelevant. Kekelainen has no magic related to knowing whether Finns are going to turn out okay or not. He hasn't magically unlocked Patrik Laine, and his Finnish goalie is pretty meh. He has a group of scouts and they worked out who they felt was the best pick at the time. If he was truly prescient, he probably should have picked up Tkachuk who was still on the board - but maybe his player intuition only works for teenage Finns?

Columbus is a tire fire and unlikely to make the playoffs. They will likely be sellers over the next few months, and Puljujarvi is a great player to pick up because worst case he helps you lose and you jettison him as a free agent this summer and best case, Edmonton is the problem and you get a rejuvenated player for a relatively low cost.

For what it's worse, I'm not a big fan of Gavrikov, because another low event defenceman doesn't help the problem here, especially if the Oilers continue to rely on quick dashes and long passes as their breakout system.

I can get behind this. Another good example is in the 2013 draft when the Avs had the first pick. There was a lot of talk prior how it was just inevitable that Colorado would take Seth Jones, since his father played basketball in Denver--the stories would write themselves. Of course come draft time, the Avs scouts felt MacKinnon was by far the best selection--and it looks like they've turned out to be right. It wasn't because they had any inside knowledge about Jones--they just ignored the feel good stories and picked the best player. These things should have little to no bearing on your player selections.

I think the key difference between Puljujarvi being passed on by Kekalainen and those other situations is that Kekalainen was the only GM that could fluently speak to Puljujarvi. I think it is well documented that Puljujarvi spoke zero english, so being able to talk to him might have made some difference. I agree also though that picking a center may have been a bigger deal, but I remember at the time that Puljujarvi was nearly on par with Laine, and it was pretty shocking that he fell to #4.

It was a long time though, so I could also see that argument that Kekalainen doesn't care about that anymore, because we all know what Puljujarvi is now, so that guessing game that is the NHL draft doesn't matter at all.

There was a definite drop-off from the top two to Puljujarvi. I remember being disappointed we didn't win the lottery pick to get Laine - the shooter with McDavid seemed the perfect fit.

Every team is able to get translators, and while some teams DEFINITELY put some amount of emphasis on the player interviews, they probably shouldn't. If you haven't and you want evidence of how much teams DO put in to that, it's worth reading Gare Joyce's Future Greats and Heartbreaks book about the Columbus Blue Jackets scouting process ahead of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. The BJ's allowed Joyce unprecedented behind the scenes access and he sat in on interviews and scouting discussions. They HATED Phil Kessel who had a disastrous interview with them. The Blue Jackets LOVED Derrick Brassard and they were petrified that the Bruins would take their guy at #5 and that they'd have to decide whether or not they would take Kessel. If you believe Joyce, they probably would not have done so, but were saved the choice and got the guy they wanted - a guy who has scored 441 less points in the NHL.

I am in a position where I sometimes hire people, and I've made some good hires and occasionally made some bad ones. You try to judge applicants on interviews but it's an exercise in failure because the fact is, it's really difficult to learn something from someone in a 30 minute or 60 minute conversation, especially when there's a massive power imbalance and they're nervous from the first moment - and I'm hiring adults, not 17 year old kids. And unfortunately for me, I don't have actual performance stats that I can make an educated decision on, unlike an NHL team.

Anyone who decides where they're spending their draft pick based not on on-ice performance but rather on a brief personal interaction is foolish. If Kekalainen made the call on Puljujarvi/Dubois based on that, then he's just lucky that it worked out for him the way it did, because I don't believe for an instant that an interview, even one conducted in Finnish, made it clear to him what the player's trajectory was going to look like.

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Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: OilFans on Tue, 17 January 2023 02:00
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 17 January 2023 09:38
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Mike on Tue, 17 January 2023 10:02
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: benv on Tue, 17 January 2023 10:09
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: inverno76 on Tue, 17 January 2023 10:40
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Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Adam on Tue, 17 January 2023 14:41
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 17 January 2023 14:47
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 17 January 2023 15:05
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Oscargasm on Tue, 17 January 2023 15:18
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 17 January 2023 15:24
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Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: oilfan94 on Tue, 17 January 2023 15:33
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Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Adam on Tue, 17 January 2023 16:09
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Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: oilfan94 on Tue, 17 January 2023 17:15
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Adam on Tue, 17 January 2023 18:44
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Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Adam on Tue, 17 January 2023 18:45
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: K.McC#24 on Wed, 18 January 2023 14:41
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: Adam on Wed, 18 January 2023 15:25
Re: Pregame: Seattle @ Edmonton (Game #46)	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 18 January 2023 15:37

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