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 Goose
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Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver
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| Jay wrote on Tue, 11 December 2018 07:22 |
You don't think that with that skill level and an attitude conducive to commitment to hockey off the ice that it would have made them and the team significantly better?? Off course the on ice game product is what counts. But you can't honestly think that they are mutually exclusive.
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I actually don't, no. Better? For sure. Significantly better? Not a chance. Of course partying until 5am doesn't help make you a better hockey player. But I dont buy any argument that better practice habits would have made Jordan Eberle into Sidney Crosby, and that's basically what would have needed to happen for the Oilers to not be awful.
Look at the numbers I posted, Ference in his time here was -36 in goal share. To counteract that, Hall would have needed to be at a 60% GF% (assuming he was on for a similar number of total goals). There's a handful of guys that achieve that level each year and they generally play on way better teams than the Oilers were.
In terms of assigning blame, I think management has to own all of this. If you want your players to be accountable to their team and to winning, then you do it by building a winning culture. Not by bringing in retread NHLers past their prime because they won a Cup at some point. But this team keeps making the same mistakes, which again, is how they wound up with Lucic.
Adam brought up KLowe's comments. MacT also came out and said that it was going to be another developmental year in 2015! As a player in your early 20's, how are you supposed to take that? Your GM just said he's not going to do anything to help your team get better except draft another high pick, but somehow you're supposed to treat every game like the Cup Final?
@Woodguy55 posted these on Twitter yesterday:
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Ference played 2 seasons with EDM 13/14 & 14/15
EDM got 42.9% of the goal share when Ference was with Hall and Eberle.
EDM got 34.1% of the goals when he was without those two.
Hall & Eberle got 62% of the goals when Ference wasn't with them.
4 & 14 were not the problem.
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09-15 Hall's most common Dmen: (250 min+)
Petry
Smid
Jultz
Nutz
Gilbert
Whitney
Peckman
Potter
Ference
Foster
How many are Actual Top 4? 2?
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That's not a good group.
[Updated on: Tue, 11 December 2018 09:54]
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
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By: Adam on Tue, 11 December 2018 17:14 |
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