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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 20:48 |
| twilson1111 wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 20:36 |
I think if guys are partying as professional athletes, that’s a bad sign. I’d love to know who he is talking about, but the coach should have put in a curfew or something if it was that bad.
That said Ference comes across as a snippy weasel here, especially given how he was part of the problem in terms of not performing. He does not sound like a good leader to me, given how he blames everyone else.
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Thing about partying...all the players do it, especially the young guys. That's just part of being young and rich. The Oilers during the glory days were crazy partiers by all accounts. I think Ference may be an outlier a bit here, a bit of a boy scout.
The stuff about being dicks to people in practice for taking practice seriously though, that's a lot worse IMO. But, that's also partially a byproduct of the team being a consistent joke. And this was under Dallas Eakins, specifically Dallas Eakins' 2nd year here drawing from Ference's example of when the boys were partying after a loss, where the wheels came off the season very quickly. Looking down the barrel of season 4 or 5 in a row for the golden boys where it's over by November.
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I do think some of that is being young and rich, and not having the organization set boundaries, or give you any negative consequences if you step outside those boundaries.
I do also think that the fact that Kevin Lowe was coming out after the second season for Hall and Eberle saying that management always intended for the team to suck so they could get a third straight high pick certainly is damaging if you're trying to convince these players to go to the wall every night, even down the stretch in lost seasons. If the organization doesn't seem serious about winning and is perfectly content to flush multiple seasons down the toilet - and even pats themselves on the back for the failure - then you're going to care less and less about the losing after a while.
If you have the management telling the coach to play certain players to "sell hope" rather than to do what he thinks is best for the player development and the path to team success, then you're setting more bad precedents.
Lowetide has said at multiple times that the Oilers brass does certain things because they value other things above winning - and that's going to trickle down.
I have no doubt it was frustrating for Ference...but the Oilers aren't the only team that's had a bunch of young players, and we either are the most unlucky team ever, or we do the worst job handling players. I think it's more likely the latter.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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