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Adam Messages: 7124
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 23 June 2021 11:24 |
Adam wrote on Tue, 22 June 2021 17:30 | Gregor trying to help the Oilers set the bar as low as possible:
Quote: | While making, and sticking, in the NHL is difficult, it is extremely important if you want to build a contending team. Look at Tampa Bay’s roster. Even if you dislike how they manipulated the salary cap this season, many of their key players were there last year as well.
Alex Killorn (77th pick, 2007), Steven Stamkos (first pick, 2008), Viktor Hedman (second pick, 2009), Nikita Kucherov (58th, 2011), Ondrej Palat (208th, 2011), Andrei Vasilevskiy (19th, 2012), Brayden Point (79th, 2014) and Anthony Cirelli (72nd, 2015) are key players for the Bolts. Also they traded Jonathon Drouin (third, 2013) for Mikhail Sergachev.
The team’s main core was built through the draft and they have elite players in goal, on defence and up front. They won the Cup 12 years after Stamkos was drafted, 11 years after Hedman and nine and eight respectively for Kucherov and Vasilevskiy.
If Edmonton hopes to do the same, then I’d say the Oilers’ core began in 2013 with Darnell Nurse, followed by Leon Draisaitl in 2014 and Connor McDavid in 2015. They will need a few of Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto, Dylan Holloway, Evan Bouchard, Ethan Bear, Philip Broberg, Dmitri Samorukov and Ryan McLeod to be impact players in the coming years.
Edmonton would need to go to the Stanley Cup final this year to match the Lightning, who lost the Cup final in 2015, so that might be unrealistic. But the next five seasons should be years where Edmonton wins a round or two in the playoffs. There are various paths to becoming a champion, but the Oilers will need some of its young players to emerge and become impactful secondary players behind the Oilers’ main leaders.
In saying that, I think the expectations on players needs to be realistic. The good news is the Oilers don’t need another elite offensive forward. Of course it would be great if one could emerge in the next few seasons, but they have the two leading scorers. They need a few 50-60 point players up front and a few top-four D-men.
And Vegas is proof you don’t just need to draft well to be competitive. You need to make good trades and be aggressive, even if not every trade works.
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Compares to Tampa, uses Stamkos draft year as the base to give them 12 years to get to the first Cup, concedes they need to go to the Finals next season to match Tampa's pace and says they probably won't. Then talks about how far they are away, and even mentions Vegas - who somehow has had several deep runs in their first years of existence, without the advantage of having two of the top five players in the league.
Edmonton media is amazing at this - providing as much cover as possible for the team's management and their complete lack of urgency in building a winner.
https://oilersnation.com/2021/06/22/nhl-draft-realistic-comp arisons-and-expectations/
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Also he neglected to mention the comparable for the Druin-Sergachev trade would be Hall for Larsson...
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Having had some back and forth with Gregor on a couple of these things, the team-friendly position he's taking is that Chiarelli screwed them over, so you can't really blame Holland for the first several years of his reign, because it takes time to build a winner and it's almost like starting fresh for him.
He'll point out that the team has improved results-wise in both Holland years and been a playoff team in both years. The obvious answer to that of course, is that there's very little that Holland has done that has contributed to that. The team is dragged along by having a couple of superstars and a couple other cornerstone players, almost all of whom pre-date Ken Holland (and Chiarelli, for that matter). Other than Tyson Barrie and Mike Smith (who defied odds with his performance - it could not have been an expected result by the Oilers when they signed him), Ken Holland's moves have been at best sideways moves.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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