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Re: Oilers recall Jones [message #746865 is a reply to message #746863 ]	Thu, 14 November 2019 14:38

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Goose wrote on Thu, 14 November 2019 14:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 14 November 2019 12:16

I guess we have way different opinions on the Oilers. I have watched for years and years how the Oilers would draft guys, go through the growing pains of these guys developing and right when they were finally seeing the fruit of all the time and money they invested in a guy, dump them. Winning teams seem to have a bunch of guys on their team in their primes in key positions. The Oilers have the opportunity to have 2 guys, Klef and Nurse who are in their primes be the anchors of their top 2 pairings. Then you offset them with young guys on the right. I think it would be a mistake of epic proportions to trade Nurse. Think Petry. Petry was a decent dman that the Oilers spent years developing but had a few warts and they dumped him. As a Hab, he continued to get better and better. He's exactly what the Oilers have lacked on their defense from the day they traded him.

You ask how you get other forwards without trading Nurse. Look no further than what the Avs did with Barrie. They played him and squeezed all the juices out of him then dumped him to the Leafs for exactly what they needed in Kadri who's a second line center. Barrie has been brutal for the Leafs. If you want to go get Nylander, then you wait until this offseason and you trade for a Nylander or another forward because the Leafs only have 1 Dman signed and need to free up money because they overpaid for Tavarese, Matthews and Marner. So you give up a dirt cheap, NHL ready Jones and a decent pick and you get that forward.

So not only have you upgraded your forwards but you haven't stripped away one of the few Dmen you have who's just entering his prime years.

I don't actually disagree with you on Petry at all. I 100% agree the Oilers made that mistake over and over again. Petry is a perfect example. But I'm not talking about trading Nurse for two 2nd round picks. At the same time, I don't think you need to trade Nurse for a future Hart trophy winner in order to win that trade. If they can get a good top 6 winger (and by good, I mean in the range of the guys you mentioned, I wouldn't do it for Boone Jenner), to add scoring depth up front I think that does a lot more to move the team forward than keeping Nurse and hoping Tyler Benson can score 60 points one day (again, I'm basing this on the fact that I think their depth of defensive prospects is much better than for forwards right now).

As to your option of trading Jones and a pick for a guy like Nylander, the Oilers just don't have the cap space to keep a $6M Nurse and add a $6-$7M forward. Looking at Capfriendly, as it sits today they have just over $57M committed for next year already. I don't know how you could add another $10-$12M to that and then sign the other 11 guys they would need to sign. Of course there are other options for moving out salary, but I don't think any of them make the team better (eg. moving RNH for a lesser forward).

At the end of the day, the Oilers still have a lot of holes, and none of these solutions is perfect. It would be great if the Oilers could keep Nurse and add scoring without having a major impact on their cap. But I don't really see a viable way to do that.

I am of the opinion, that Russell is 100% gone after this year and maybe even at some point this year. His role is being diminished right before his eyes. He will have 1 year left on his deal with a 4 mill cap hit that only pays him 2.5 mill of real money, 1.5 mill after a mid July bonus. That screams bottom feeder team needing cap hit to make the floor but not wanting to pay real money. I look at a team like Ottawa. I bet they aren't on his list. However, that list might change as he sees his minutes going down. He's actually playing decent this year. He would play for them, probably play a lot of minutes and if you look at capfriendly, they are making the floor being propped up by having guys on IR. They have 15.325 mill on IR in Callahan, Gaborik and MacCarthur, guys who won't ever play again. Calahan and MacCarthur are UFA's. So that's 10.45 mill they are using to prop up to get to the bottom that will disappear. The owner doesn't want to give pay any money out and if you look at their defense, Russell could slide into the role of Hainsey, be a higher cap hit but not being paid anything close.

I also think this could be the last year we see Larsson. The Oilers are going towards puck moving. Bear is a revelation for them. Bouchard is getting close. I think there is a player in Persson he just needs a little AHL time and to get in as Strudwick calls NHL shape. I could see him being traded as well.

If one or both of those happen, there is an extra 4 to just over 8 mill in extra space and in reality, their defense probably wouldn't be any worse.

My guess is that you aren't a Nurse fan? I say that because you are suggesting the Oiler trade away a good, top 4, young, just coming into his prime, skate like the wind, play in all situations, big minute, big, tough, physical dman who just so happens to be one of the captains and your franchises players best buddies who's also an assistant captain for a complimentary winger. You aren't getting a top line winger for Nurse, he's a good player but he's not that good. Not unless Chia takes over a team and does another stupid Hall type trade. So the only way your trade makes any kind of sense is if you just don't like the player and want him gone. Dmen, especially big minute dmen, are usually more important to a team than a second line winger so it my mind, it's pretty hard for the Oilers to not lose a Nurse trade.

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Oilers recall Jones	By: Goose on Wed, 13 November 2019 16:30
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 13 November 2019 16:34
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Kr55 on Wed, 13 November 2019 16:36
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: overdue on Wed, 13 November 2019 18:35
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 13 November 2019 19:10
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: GabbyDugan on Wed, 13 November 2019 20:11
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: NZ Oiler Fan on Thu, 14 November 2019 10:10
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 14 November 2019 10:34
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Goose on Thu, 14 November 2019 10:52
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Kr55 on Thu, 14 November 2019 11:00
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 14 November 2019 11:02
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Goose on Thu, 14 November 2019 12:51
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 14 November 2019 13:16
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Goose on Thu, 14 November 2019 14:24
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 14 November 2019 14:38
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: Goose on Thu, 14 November 2019 15:08
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Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 14 November 2019 14:13
Re: Oilers recall Jones	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 14 November 2019 14:10
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