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| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 12:03 |
Come on man, you don't think guys get talked to before the team gets permission? I have read multiple people say that Nicholson talked to Holland numerous times during the process to pick his brain about things. You don't think the Oilers situation and what he would do came up ever? Even if it wasn't an "official interview". I read an article this morning from a link I saw on Twitter. I will try to find it. Supposedly Nicholson offered Holland a job a while ago to be a bit hire up but Holland said he wanted to be a GM. They didn't have permission to talk to him.
In an interview with Holland, do you have to go over his experience? No.
Do you have to go over if he's qualified like you would any first time GM? No.
Are you having to do a reference check on if he can be an NHL GM? No.
So what's left. You would talk about what he wants to do with the Oilers.
I will put it another way. McCrimmon was the "sexy" pick and before Holland became available, he was just about the lock to get the Oilers job based on what all the hockey people were saying. The Oilers never got official permission to interview him but you can't tell me that McCrimmon didn't have conversations with the Oilers and basically get interviewed and then he went to Vegas and said "I want to be a GM, I have a legit chance to get the Oilers job, promote me or I am leaving." Surprise surprise he gets promoted. So maybe Holland didn't get flown into Edmonton, sit down in the Oilers offices and get formally interviewed. But no one is going to tell me he didn't get unofficially interviewed over a span of many weeks. As I have said, I am not saying I think HOlland was the right guy. I literally don't know right now but the whole notion that all teams just follow the rules to the letter, never talk to anyone before they have permission is BS to me.
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So just to be clear, I speculate that the Oilers didn't interview Holland, because no one was reporting about it and it's pretty much on par with how the Oilers always do things, and I'm being an irrational conspiracy theorist. But then to prove your point, you make up an entire scenario about what happened between McCrimmon and the Oilers and Vegas, pretty much out of whole cloth?
From Ken Campbell at The Hockey News:
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This time was supposed to be different. And for a while, it actually was. The Edmonton Oilers canvassed the hockey world for candidates to fill their vacant GM position. They talked to people around the league, compiled a comprehensive list of names and did their research on each of them, extensively interviewed them and got their input on everything from how to get the Oilers out of a cap hell to their top coaching candidates. One person who was interviewed said he spoke with Oilers president Bob Nicholson for six hours and came away impressed with how well prepared Nicholson was and how much he had done his homework.
So then what did Nicholson and the Oilers do? After all that work, they went out and threw $5 million a year on a five-year contract at Ken Holland, a guy who wasn’t even interviewed and whom Nicholson has a relationship from his time at Hockey Canada. For a franchise trying to shake the old-boy network image, it was a curious way to go about things.
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https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/both-the-oilers-and-k en-holland-are-taking-a-big-gamble
But let's put that aside, because at the end of the day, you're correct and neither of us know what the actual process was.
I actually agree with you that the Oilers probably called up Holland at some point (maybe even before they asked for permission to talk to him). But they're about to pay this guy $25M and let him run, with full autonomy apparently, a $100M business, and you don't think they should be asking him about his experience?
I would want a detailed breakdown of just about every move he's made in the last 5 years. Specifically, what his thought process was in giving long deals, with no-move clauses to guys in or approaching their 30's like Abdelkader, Nielsen, Helm, and Kronwall.
And in terms of what he wants to do with the Oilers, I'm not looking for platitudes or talking points. I would want a detailed breakdown of what he thinks the Oilers have done wrong and what he thinks they've done well and how he plans on fixing this mess.
I haven't seen any indication that any of that stuff happened. As close as 6 days ago, no one was reporting that Holland was a serious contender for the Oilers job, mainly because it didn't appear like he wanted it. Then, within a day or 2, all of a sudden he's their guy and a $25M offer is on the table and we're just waiting for Holland to accept it or not? Does that honestly sound to you like a robust process was followed?
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
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