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Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737151 is a reply to message #737141 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 13:04

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 11:44

Magnum wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 11:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:58

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 10:30

I would have liked to have been able to pick more people to be fired in the poll.

It's pretty rare that you're allowed to fire UP. Vice-Chairs out-rank General Managers I'm afraid.

What if he is the Pres of Hockey ops and GM, then can he?

I have said it a few times. I don't know if he is the right guy. I didn't think he was coming because I didn't see the upside for him and leaving the City and organization you have been with for over 30 yrs and uprooting your entire life at 63 would be extremely hard. I saw a tweet yesterday that before he could say yes, he had to meet Marian Illitch, the wife of his dead boss in person to tell her he was leaving and I assume say sorry for leaving and hug it out. I don't see him doing all that to come in and be a puppet and happily accept working with a bunch of guys who are lousy at their job.

If I was Holland, I have a job, a good job. Maybe not exactly the job I want but it's a good job, pays me well. I am in a City I am extremely comfortable with, my family is happy to live there, I am with an organization I know extremely well, that treats me like a King and I am comfortable with. So when the Oilers come calling, I am telling them I am not leaving all that unless I am allowed to surround myself with my people. I could be 100% wrong but if I was in his shoes, even if I was buddies with Nicholson and a few others, no way I make that move. I am not coming here to tarnish my legacy and potentially make myself look like an idiot by taking a job that has no chance of succeeding if all the same people are allowed to stay.

I get you guys think I stick up for Oilers no matter what but I am not. I am just looking at this like a business guy would. I wouldn't leave a situation I am comfortable with to take a job where sure maybe I got a raise but baring a miracle, probably doesn't go well if you aren't allowed to make changes.

Reasons to leave:

$25 Million.
Detroit is not a nice city. Edmonton is nicer.
Few people who were first in command, want to be second in command.

Reasons to go:

I agree, he might actually have free reign of the entire org. If he does, awesome. If he doesn't, then the team might as well have stayed with Chia or Keith.

I agree with you. If you are just going to keep everyone, then it would have just been easier to keep Keith Gretzky. Part of me thinks they would have gone that way but they knew Edmonton would go nuclear which they should. This might shock people but I would have freaked out if they just hired Gretzky and kept everyone.

Where I differ from Adam when I talk about the organization and who to fire. I know he would like to see the Oilers go scorched earth. As in Katz is the owner and no one is left. This includes Wayne who personally I think is just the Oilers Ambassador but they gave him a VP title because it sounds better. When I say I think Holland will be allowed to fire/bring in his own people. I am talking the day to day guys. I don't see a scenario where Holland takes the job and he's told who is staff is. He's Pres & GM and then Nicholson tells him his right hand men are Howson, Mac T & Sutter.

Whoa whoa whoa...let's not get crazy here. No one has told him he has to keep Sutter! If a Sutter firing is enough to impress you with his unbridled autonomy then you may be pleasantly surprised. It's possible they let Holland make a deeper cut than that too...Dustin Schwartz could get axed too!

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
~~#FireLowe~~ #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

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Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer	By: smyth260 on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:20
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