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Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737092 is a reply to message #737057 ]	Mon, 06 May 2019 08:39

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I must admit, I didn't see a fit mostly because I didn't think he would come. As I said in a different thread, I am not sure if he's the right guy or not. I see pros and cons to him.
Pros:
- Experience. The Oilers are a mess so to fix to it, changes will have to be made. Given his experience, he's going to be able to sell the changes pretty easy. If as an example he trades Lucic and it costs and asset and they have to retain, he's going to be able to sell that pretty easy as needed vs a new guy might not. With experience, there shouldn't be any issue with growing pains for the job like you might have with a new guy.
- He has a philosophy of drafting and developing and his draft record is pretty decent.
- He should have great contacts and relations with all people in the league.
- With his experience and pedigree, I believe that he of all people will be able to actually get rid of some of the old management that is sorely needed. I don't see a guy like him coming here to be a puppet and just accept taking on the old management. I think a new guy would have been made to keep some guys.

Cons:
- He's a older GM, he could be set in his ways. We won't know until he gets going.
- The Wings haven't been that good for a few years.
- Some of is signings over the last few years haven't been great.

When it comes to the cons and the Wings being bad, I wonder how much of it was a GM trying to keep their crazy playoff streak alive and trying to stay in the winning window when they had all their star players still as they got older. When you win, you tend to resign players, give out an extra year or 2 or a little extra money as reward when maybe you should move on. We have seen it with all the teams that win. When you are winning, you don't have higher picks and you trade off young players and draft picks to stay in the window. We have seen it with other teams. The Pens are at that point right now. The Hawks are going through it. I also wonder how much of making the playoffs and just keeping that streak alive played into some of his moves. We have heard that it was a big deal. Do you sign a vet guy that maybe you wouldn't. Do you hold on to a guy that maybe you shouldn't?

I don't know if he is the right guy or not. I am hopeful he is but I have my concerns. A good start for him will be to get rid of some of the old hockey ops people. If that happens, I see it as a step in the right direction.

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Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer	By: smyth260 on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:20
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