[quote title=shoop wrote on Sat, 29 December 2018 07:54]

g2k wrote on Thu, 27 December 2018 23:49

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 27 December 2018 15:09 I would certainly be against banning him/her. There is no harm being done here at all. I do believe there is a degree of troll to his/her contributions here though. But I’m fine with that. Gives us all reason to reaffirm how much of a clown the GM is. I’m always up for that. Regardless of how “blind” or “irrational” Shoop pretends the disdain is. The fact that this person states the Reinhart trade is the only bad decision the GM has made, tells me all that I really need to know. Grain of salt. My preferred pronoun is him. I'm truly not intending to troll. Perhaps you could re-state what I'm saying truthfully? Nowhere did I ever say that the Rienhart trade is the only bad decision that the GM has made. I used the word 'horrible' to describe the Lucic signing. fwiw that signing is the worst decision Chiarelli has made hands down IMO. I do agree with you that sweeping out the OBC would be a once in a lifetime move. I also agree with Nicholson that it's playoffs or bust for Chiarelli this season. If the Oilers make the playoffs how do you still fire him? Two playoff appearances in four seasons. Other than our Hall of Fame former GM Chiarelli is the best GM this team has ever had. Granted KLowe, Tambo and MacT aren't much to compete with, but at least he isn't OBC.

Yeah, my ratings system is different from yours. You have to look at what the GM had to work with. Chiarelli has had the best player on the planet. At one point, he even had players excited to come here to play with him, although years of mismanagement has probably sewered that.

It's a disgrace that the team missed the playoffs last year, and it's an even bigger disgrace that we're a bubble team now in McDavid's fourth year. Teams with generational players on them should be contenders very quickly. We aren't a contender, and it's hard to see any ways that this team has actually improved around McDavid in the 3.5 years that Chia's been at the helm. People want to point to the farm system, but the Oilers media has ALWAYS shone a light on the newest shiniest prospects and talked about them in glowing terms, while casting shade on what came before. Until those players start making the team and making it better, then it isn't real.

I also don't think you can absolve Chia of the Reinhart trade, suggesting that he was still too new to know better (despite the fact he would have seen two different teams scouting data), and then also give him credit for Bear and Jones, who were picked in the same draft.

And that Reinhart deal makes the Marc-Antoine Pouliot deal look good. Pouliot actually played 176 games for the Oilers, recording 53 points. Reinhart, who was three years older and should have been well-scouted, only saw action in 37 games in Edmonton, managing a meagre two assists.

Still on the board when they made the trade? Mathew Barzal, Kyle Connor, Thomas Chabot, Brock Boeser, and of course Joel Ericksson-Ek, who Stauffer maintains the Oilers would have picked...

If I'm rating GMs, Sather is far and away the best. Lowe, unbelievably is second. It turns out the only thing he's worse at than GMing is picking his successors. Still, he had one great season as a GM and managed to occasionally win a trade here or there. His teams were generally competitive, despite not having a wealth of skill.

Tambellini is next best, simply because A) he had next to nothing to work with and B) he didn't make glaring mistakes...mostly because he was afraid to do anything, but still, better to sit on your hands than do something stupid (ie. trade Hall for Larsson).

MacTavish and Chiarelli are neck and neck for worst GM ever. MacT talked WAAAAAY too much, outlining his plans like a Bond villain, and seemed surprised they didn't work. He fired Krueger over Skype, he destroyed his top goalies' confidence and then made 26 trades trying to replace him. He signed every single 6/7 defenceman on the market, and seemed unclear as to why his defence sucked. He was pretty freakin' bad...

But he also didn't make franchise-killing moves the way Chia has. Chia's had more BIG mistakes than anyone else. Hall for Larsson, Lucic for 7 years at $6MM/year w/ NMC, Russell for 4x4 w/ NMC, Eberle for Strome for Spooner, 2 high picks in the deepest draft since 2003 for Griffin Reinhart, overpaying EVERYONE. It's a shocking track record, and all in less than four years. The Oilers would have been better picking their GM from a random shopper at Kingsway in April 2015, and we wouldn't have had to surrender another high pick to get him too.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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