 mightyreasoner
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 13:02 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 12:51 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 08:39 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37 |
I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.
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Lowetide and others have a point...
If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).
I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...
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I agree with you. I don't think Benning is bad, I just don't know how much of an upgrade he is on other guys the Oilers have. If they traded Benning and say brought up Jones who in the minors played all the right side, are they downgrading anything? Honestly, I don't think they are. Jones looked pretty good, where he started to show cracks is when he was asked to play top 4 minutes and he showed he is not quite ready to take that job. But to me it is a bit telling when the coaching staff decided to put a rookie in the top 4 over Benning, a 3rd year vet who will have over 200 games at the end of this season. They have seen Benning and know he can't be more than a 3rd pairing, they look at Jones and think he's close. So if you are playing Jones over Benning in a 3rd pairing role giving him 14 mins a night, at worse its a saw off in my opinion and it might be better. Jones is way faster, moves the puck way better, passes the puck way better. The only advantage Benning has is experience and I don't know if that makes much difference given the mistakes he STILL makes.
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If Benning and Jones are basically equal, I'd prefer to keep Benning for now, and let Jones (and Bear) ripen in the minors for much of the next year. They'll develop more playing all situations there than they will playing sheltered minutes here, and it will help moderate their second contracts if you haven't put them in to the NHL full-time.
I don't necessarily agree that Jones is equal to Benning yet anyhow, and he's a left shot, so if he's the replacement you've got him on his weak side...so unless you're getting a really nice return for Benning, I'm keeping him and playing him for another year.
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From my perspective, I don't think they are equal. Jones is faster and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Jones is a much better passer and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Offensively, Benning has 10 pts in 42 games, Jones has 6 points in 17 games. Jones has more offense in him. Defensively, I don't think Benning is that much better. Maybe he gets a slight edge but for a guy with over 2 more seasons worth of experience, he sure doesn't stand out much in that department compared to Jones.
I don't mind if Jones spends the rest of the year in the minors developing while Benning is up but after this season, I sure wouldn't be having Benning over Jones on the roster.
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I dont mind if Jones / Bear ripen in the AHL either. It would curb their second contracts, and frankly, likely make them less attractive for Seattle. If Benning is the claim to Seattle and you have Bear, Bouchard, and Jones waiting to step in and play in 2020-2021, that seems like good cost control.
My question is if the Oilers truly have that luxury. They've really painted themselves into a corner with contracts they absolutely cannot move. I'd rather them move Benning with a suitable replacement available than start panicking and moving Klefbom or RNH, or start packaging up picks and prospects like Benson and Bear to dump contracts like Manning and Lucic.
I wouldn't hate Benning here next year and the prospects in the AHL, but I do think Benning is a slightly overpaid player who is still quite moveable and wouldn't create a massive hole if you were to do so.
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