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 Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 11:31 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 11:17 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 11:09 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:42 |
It's not like they would be tearing up his contract and not paying him. He could go on LTIR and get all his money. Maybe I am wrong and he's a freak of nature but I don't see how someone can miss just about 2 years of hockey and just jump back in and be fine and up to speed. If it was an arm injury then sure, I could see it. But 2 major leg injuries in a row?
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You're arguing two different points here. The former, "he can just go on LTIR" is wrong and should be a contract violation (although I can't be bothered to read the CBA or the standard player contract and I certainly don't know any clauses unique to Sekera). LTIR is not the same as coming back to play, even at lesser quality, except in terms of pay. Sekera is under no obligation to do this, and shouldn't allow this.
The second point is correct, but completely irrelevant to contract. It doesn't matter if he's is as good as he once was OR isn't good enough to be a player in the NHL now, he has a contract that was signed in good faith backed by a CBA, also signed in good faith. Now, the Oilers do have options if Sekera isn't good enough, but it's limited to a buy out now.
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Well this doesn't really do anything for the decision because I get what you are saying but I think that is part of the problem with the NHL. Once you signed these contracts, that's it, you are stuck with them no matter what. As you said, the contract was signed in good faith. So the team is signing the player thinking they are getting a player and expect that player to do certain things over the length of the deal. The player is saying "yup, sure can." But in reality, once the deal is signed there is ZERO accountability for the player to EVER live up to that contract and most of the time when you are signing a UFA, they NEVER live up to it. They are never the player they once was. Part of it could be on the team and the circumstances but I think a lot of it is on the player. They get that big money, long term, iron clad deal and they take their foot off the gas a little.
It's too bad because I think the product of the game would be a hell of a lot better if these contracts weren't so pro player. If all contracts were more incentive based, I think we'd see better hockey because you wouldn't see players cruising around going through the motions. There should be production clauses in it. You are signed to be player X. If you are not player X anymore, the team should be able to get out of it. If a team brings in a top sales guy and he doesn't bring sales, they aren't forced to keep him.
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I get what you're saying, but I don't see how protection from injury make contracts pro-player. The player does have obligations, like conditioning, lifestyle, fitness for work, and general behavior, that he has to meet, but injuries are different since they're simply part of the game. The closest parallel to what you're suggesting is professional wrestling and even those guys (in the WWE) have guaranteed downsides in case they get injured and can't perform to the same level now.
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Yeah, it's kind of weird to see Oilers fans cheerleading for long term injury to a player to get us out of cap difficulties. Especially a player who at ever 75% is better than half the defenceman options we currently have.
It doesn't seem unfair at all to me that a team is on the hook if a player's performance declines. That's why you don't sign over-30s guys to long-term deals with no-move clauses. Bettman's been beating that drum for years, and GMs continue to make those mistakes.
Lucic and Sekera only have to be able to play to collect their money. They don't need to be good at playing - and the Oilers are paying the price for recklessness on the part of their GM. For what it's worth, I still think Sekera was a much better and lower risk signing than Lucic or even Russell. If I could undo go back in time and undo two of the three, Sekera would be the one I keep because generally when he's been in the lineup, he's been value for the contract (other than a period last year when the team rushed him back too soon from injury, because they failed to come up with any contingency plans despite having cap space to do so). I also think he's the most likely to be able to perform to expectations in the remainder of his deal...unless your expectation for Russell is more goals against where he's doing snow angels as the other team's player walks past...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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