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Re: Oilers sign Koskinen [message #714309 is a reply to message #714308 ]	Thu, 03 May 2018 15:33

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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 15:16

Fair points but I have a couple questions

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 15:01

I don't think the guys I listed are good enough NHL goalies. Everyone agrees Talbot and the .908 he ended up with wasn't good enough. So why would I want to bring in another guy with similar or worse numbers?

If we are signing a guy for one year who is a clear back up his numebrs don't have to be better than what we expect from Talbot, just decent backup number

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 15:01

Lehtonen in a reduced role had a .912 this past year. The previous years he was .902, .906, .903. He will be 35 in November. I am not confident that a 35 yr old goalie will put up .910 or better numbers, I think he will put up numbers similar to what he did the previous years which isn't good enough.

Halak put up .908 this past season. When I look at his numbers, his numbers are decent. However, I personally have never been a fan of him. He lost his job to Griess who's not that good either, spent half of last season in the minors last year so there had to be a reason. Goaltending was the main reason the Isles didn't make the playoffs. By today's standards he's really small. Why would I want to bring in a goalie who's small by today's standards and not that great?

Ward was .906 this season. He was .905, .909, .910, .898, .908. Other than he grew up in Sherwood Park, I see nothing appealing about him.

Lack this season when he was with Calgary was .813, spent time in the minors, went to New Jersey where he was .903. Then previously he was ,.902, .901. Those are brutal numbers.

Johnson was .891 in Buffalo and ,.910 the previous year. Not good enough.

Pavelec was .910 this past season. Then he was .888 and spent most of the year in the minors as a Jet. Then .904. Jumped to .920, then was .901, .905, .906. Not good enough.

There is just a few of them. Mzazek has been bad for several years now. Maybe I think about Lehner but I think he gets more money than what they paid Koskinen. But maybe he would have been a guy to role the dice on IF you could even get him.

You are using .910 as a benchmark. From a lot of people that is seen as line in the sand for an starting goalie. Of goalies with more than 10GP there were 39 in the league last season that achieved at so it seems fine to use.

Take the names, bias on size, personal, or a seemingly arbitrary accusation of bad, most of the guys you list fall in that .910 acceptable range.

By your own numbers you have listed a number of guys that fall in the .900-.910 category and listed not good enough a few times.

Just so I am clear and if I am we can agree to disagree.
You are not happy with the signing but are ok with hoping and praying(your words) that Koskinen is substantially better that one of the options the Oilers could have gone after, likely for a lower price?
Does that sum up your opinion on the signing?

I am done debating with you. I stupidly broke my own rule and responded to one of your posts and I have done it more than once. Definitely a mistake on my part. I don't know how many times I can say that I don't like the signing. I said the money was a bit high for my tastes. I said I really dislike gambling on a guy that is a complete unknown and that I would not have done it. The only thing remotely positive I have said is its a 1 yr deal and I really hope it works out. Hockey is my favorite sport to play and watch. The Oilers are my team, I have been a fan my entire life. I want my team to win so that is why I hope it works out because if it doesn't, it hurts my team. I don't know what else you want me to say.

Have a nice day.

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