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Re: Oilers sign Koskinen [message #714273 is a reply to message #714269 ]	Thu, 03 May 2018 10:00

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 08:26

On the surface, 2.5 mill for an unknown seems a bit high. I am sure I will take more heat like usual but before I grab my pitch fork like everyone else is doing, I'd like to see the guy actually play first. I look at the Oilers in the 16-17 season and the 17-18 season and a lot of it came down to goaltending. The Oilers got good goaltending in 16-17 from basically game one, they cruised. They got crap goaltending from game 2 in the 17-18 season, they crashed and burned. I know that taking a wait and see approach and not instantly hating everything about it is kind of not allowed in here but if he and Talbot can lead the Oilers back to where they should be, then the signing will be fine. I really hope it works out but it's definitely a big time gamble that Chia better get right. So far most of his gambles haven't panned out.

When it comes to Kassian, I am a fan of his because he is big, tough, physical, plays with an edge, has speed and has some skill. I think he has the tools to be an effective 3rd liner. When the Oilers signed him, I think they felt the same. The problem is that he played like a 4th liner last season and at no time did he look capable of moving up. If he is a 3rd liner, then his 1.95 mill isn't too bad. If he is a 4th liner, he's making WAY, WAY too much money.

Since he's arrived here, Chiarelli's made four gamble on back-up goalie:

1) Anders Nilsson - 25 years old, coming off a KHL season where he had a .936 average, but he'd been mediocre prior to that in the NHL in 23 games with the Islanders. Oilers signed him to a one year, $1MM contract. He went 10-12-2 with the Oilers with a .901 save percentage. Miraculously, the Sabres traded us a pick for him even with those numbers.

2) Jonas Gustavsson - 31 years old, coming off a year with the Bruins where he had a .908 save percentage. That was his second best save percentage in his entire NHL career...but the Oilers thought he could be the answer behind Talbot and gave him a one-year $800K contract. He was not the answer. He appeared in only 7 games with the Oilers going 1-3-1 with a 0.878 save percentage, ending his NHL career.

3) Laurent Brossoit - Signed his contract about the same time as Gustavsson. Despite some spotty AHL numbers, the Oilers gave him a two year, one-way deal, paying him $650K in year one to play 21 AHL games and make 8 NHL appearances. Last summer, they had to decide whether they needed a back-up or whether he was the guy, and they decided his NHL numbers from the year before (4-1-0, 0.928, 1.99) were more representative than his AHL numbers (9-8-0, 0.908, 2.67). That was a mistake. The NHL numbers were a small sample size, and he really wasn't that good. The second year of his deal gave him $850K to help tank the Oilers chances of playoffs when Talbot got hurt. He went 3-7-1 with a 0.883 save percentage to take his career save percentage in the NHL to 0.897. He won't get a qualifying offer this summer.

4) Al Montoya - Unlike all the other gambles on backup goalies that Chia's made, this one cost us an asset to acquire as he frivolously threw away a fourth round pick, despite the fact it was clear we were out of the playoffs. If he was the backup for next year, it might have made a little sense, as he was already under contract for next year with a 1.0625MM cap hit. He had a long spotty history in the NHL - appearing in 159 games over nine seasons with five different teams. Unlike some of the others above, he never excelled in the lower leagues either. Hi sbest AHL save percentage ever was 0.914. When we acquired him from Montreal, he'd seen limited action, and gotten shelled in what ice time he had seen - 14 goals against in 4 appearances. 2-1-0 with an 0.863 save percentage and a 3.77 GAA.

He saw 9 appearances for the Oilers - 4 more than needed to upgrade that pick from a 5th to a 4th. He went 2-2-2 with a .906 save percentage. You could call that disappointing, but his career average is .908, so we pretty much got exactly what we should have expected. Despite surrendering a pick AND upgrading what we surrendered (and despite the fact the Oilers were dead in the water before they spent an asset on an extra mediocre back-up) the Oilers are apparently fine with burying this player in the minors next year, and having him as an expensive 3rd goalie.

Given that track record, with four pretty spectacular flameouts in three seasons, it's hard to give Chiarelli the benefit of the doubt on this. He's failed to identify talent, and he's cost us games by putting his faith in these below average players again and again.

Koskinen is relatively old, has had mediocre NHL AND AHL numbers in the past, played for a stacked team in a low-scoring league and posted middle of the road numbers, AND Chia has paid him like a low end starting netminder or a top of the line back-up. There's an awful lot of red flags here, so you'll excuse me if I don't start by giving the Oilers management the benefit of the doubt here.

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