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Re: Oilers sign Koskinen [message #714218 is a reply to message #714209 ]	Wed, 02 May 2018 08:45

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 18:53

The very worst part of this very bad signing is that it signals there won't be any effort to extend Cam Talbot this summer. Which means:

a) He returns to career norms and costs you much more to sign when your back is up against the wall next summer.

b) He doesn't, and you are left with no goalies signed for next year, and very little in the system. Fun bonus: Most valuable NHL goalies don't make it to NHL free agency, so you are left chasing cast-offs like Steve Mason.

The Oilers had to take a gamble on their goaltending this off-season, but instead of gambling on a guy (who carried you to undeserved success recently) returning to career norms and having success, they are gambling that their goalie won't and that gamble may result in having no goalies in place for next season. And while I know I'm contradicting myself somewhat - I always talk about how they need to hedge their bets - the message this one sends just feels wrong to me.

Maybe I'm just not sold on the guy they chose to hedge the bet. Because as far as the signing goes... I don't get it.

30-year-old rookies with 4 NHL games rarely suddenly turn a corner. Koskinen has a lot to prove and it getting paid extremely before having done so. $2.5 million is absurdly high for a backup, particularly one that hasn't shown anything at the NHL-level (you could probably justify this on a James Reimer or Jonathan Bernier for example).

I hate that there doesn't seem to be any real concern to bring a young prospect into the lineup. Subban and Pickard were available dirt cheap last year; Pickard still is. Cale Morris just had an absolutely outstanding season at Notre Dame and is a college free agent. THOSE are the guys who you should be looking at signing, guys with an upward trajectory who could conceivably take over the starting job in a few years. There's nothing in the system, Nick Ellis is looking suspect, and for whatever Koskinen is, he's not a young prospect.

Which brings us to Al Montoya. What the heck? A fourth round pick is find to spend on a backup for a couple seasons. The odds of a fourth round pick working out aren't high. But why did they make that trade when they did? Why did they make it if Al Montoya wasn't the long-term plan? Was Montoya so bad that he altered their course, and if so, did the pro scouts not do due diligence? No we have ANOTHER failed NHL (Gryba, Stanton, Montoya) vet taking developmental ice time away from players in Bakersfield. And while I previously had mentioned there isn't much for prospects in the system, my dream is that there will be and that they'll get playing time rather than sitting on the bench watching a buried contract play.

Look, I hope it works out and Koskinen surprises us all and is the next Tim Thomas. I hope Talbot bounces back and we can sign him for cheap. I just don't see much reason to expect that, and I certainly lack faith in the person making those judgement calls.

TL;DR The Oilers overspend on a position that won't see the ice often. They overspend on an unproven 30-year-old rookie. They probably don't extend their starter who previously carried them to success they didn't deserve. And they have no NHL goalie signed beyond next season.

I am not going to argue much with your post. I don't hate the signing of Koskinen because they went out and spent some money on a guy they think can give them 20+ starts. I am a Talbot believer, I think he will bounce back this season but even in a season when he was mostly lousy, got hurt for several weeks and missed time due to illness, he was STILL tied for the most games played in the league. I think the days of your starter playing 60+ are gone especially if you are a western conference team with one of the worst travel schedules in the league due to your location. So they need a guy that can give you 20+ decent starts. So to get that guy in my opinion you either have to fluke out and have a young, unproven guy shoot the lights out, they tried that with Brossoit and it blew up in their face. Or you have to pay for a guy. So in my opinion, to get a guy that is capable of 20+ decent games, they are paying 2+ mill easily. What I do not like about the deal is they took a gamble on a unknown. I would have much rather them give this money to a guy with more of an NHL track record. I pray it works out but it's definitely a gamble.

When it comes to Montoya, I am not as worried about him. According to Gregor and Stauffer, if you put Montoya in the minors, his salary is low enough that it won't count against the cap. I assume that is right. Plus right now, they don't have a lot of organizational depth. Brossoit is most likely gone. They brought him in, spent a lot of time and money trying to develop him but he's still not there. When they decided to give him the back up job, I agreed with it at first because he had been developing for years in the AHL, he was the right age and for the most part his AHL numbers were decent and in his limited time in the NHL previously, he looked like he had something. Maybe he figures it out somewhere else, maybe he is KHL bound. Regardless, it's time to move on as I don't see it with him. Something is missing and at 25 with 5 years of minor league play, you might never get it. Ellis looks like a career AHLer. He's only got 2 years of AHL under his belt but he dropped 20 points in save percentage this season in the AHL to be under .900 vs last season. That's concerning. I don't even know if you bring him back as what is his upside? Then they have a few new pros and guys that look far away. So having Montoya in your system for another year to get called up if needed, probably isn't a bad thing. Even with Montoya here for 1 more season, I would hope and I don't see why it would stop them from trying to sign someone else. You mentioned this Cale Morris. I don't pretend to know anything about him but I don't see why you wouldn't.

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