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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789018 is a reply to message #789017 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:20

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oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:46

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:49

Funny, how so many here think they could have made a better deal, and as fans we over value our assets and undervalue a champion and hall of famer. I think this is a akin to the Hall deal. This was a deal for something desperately needed in that dressing room, in practice and in tight playoff games. We can post all we want about how our GM gave up too much, but he knows better than any of us what our young d core needs. A couple of years of leadership from Keith is the best bet on grooming a young and potentially great defence. Kieth is not the future of Oilers defence, but he will have an impact on what it will become.

This makes me think of Adam Oates and how he taught the guys how to win faceoffs. Just because Keith has won awards, team and individual, does not mean that on July 12, 2021 he is worth what we paid. Not like there were a bunch of teams lining up for him. Edmonton held the chips on this one and still couldn't make a good deal.

That said, I hope Keith does really well. He is an Oiler now and I will gladly cheer him on for all the success possible. But I don't think history is on his side for having a better season than last as a 38 year old defender.

This is where I'm at. Not happy with the trade, but am very hopeful that Keith can contribute and help mentor guys like Bouchard, Broberg, and even Nurse. I honestly hope he can exceed expectations because let's face it the bar is low.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789019 is a reply to message #789018 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:35

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jds308 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:20

oilfan94 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:46

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:49

Funny, how so many here think they could have made a better deal, and as fans we over value our assets and undervalue a champion and hall of famer. I think this is a akin to the Hall deal. This was a deal for something desperately needed in that dressing room, in practice and in tight playoff games. We can post all we want about how our GM gave up too much, but he knows better than any of us what our young d core needs. A couple of years of leadership from Keith is the best bet on grooming a young and potentially great defence. Kieth is not the future of Oilers defence, but he will have an impact on what it will become.

This makes me think of Adam Oates and how he taught the guys how to win faceoffs. Just because Keith has won awards, team and individual, does not mean that on July 12, 2021 he is worth what we paid. Not like there were a bunch of teams lining up for him. Edmonton held the chips on this one and still couldn't make a good deal.

That said, I hope Keith does really well. He is an Oiler now and I will gladly cheer him on for all the success possible. But I don't think history is on his side for having a better season than last as a 38 year old defender.

This is where I'm at. Not happy with the trade, but am very hopeful that Keith can contribute and help mentor guys like Bouchard, Broberg, and even Nurse. I honestly hope he can exceed expectations because let's face it the bar is low.

Keeping in mind that Klefbom is apparently done for good, I'm putting away the torch and pitchfork and just wait and see what Keith brings us.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #788989 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 14:39

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789001 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:08

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I knew it was coming, didn't make it any easier.

Get them to retain at least something. $500K, 900K (league minimum) just on paper....jeeze.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789003 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:14

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789009 is a reply to message #789003 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:23

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789004 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:15

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789006 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:21

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What does this trade say about Holland's thought process?

He didn't particularly value Jones, or the 3rd rounder. He thinks he has lots of cap space. We are now choosing between getting better up front or in net, there isn't room for two other big additions.

And he either loves old d-men or secretly works for Chicago.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789013 is a reply to message #789006 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:37

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 14:21

What does this trade say about Holland's thought process?

He didn't particularly value Jones, or the 3rd rounder. He thinks he has lots of cap space. We are now choosing between getting better up front or in net, there isn't room for two other big additions.

And he either loves old d-men or secretly works for Chicago.

Its actually a $4.7 M cap increase (minus C. Jones $850K), I would have been OK with D. Keith at $3.5 M, Chicago retaining $2M, and NO picks included, so the disappointment I have right now is the extra $1.2M in cap we gain over what I had expected, and of course the 3rd round pick (heard its "conditional"? .. not that the conditions matter when it comes to the Oilers, since the NHL will find a way to rule the conditions are met regardless..)

Not happy about talk of a 3rd, conditions should be high.. like making the Stanley Cup final..

Wish we could have held out with Chicago for a more favourable deal.. but its only 2 years, I'm convinced Keith still has lots of gas in the tank, and is an upgrade at #2 LHD, just means we won't be spending big cap on expensive UFAs at wing..

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789015 is a reply to message #789013 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:42

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This deal should never have been done, but if it had to be done, why now? Why not after the Seattle draft? There is so much bad about this. They should have retained 50% and THEY should have paid someone a 3rd to retain a further 50%. Keith at around $1.5 for Jones wouldn’t have been horrible.

I am so pissed right now. Holland is as bad as all the rest.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789010 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:31

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So the player gets to decide if they keep their NTC. Keith wanted to come here. Was there any discussion about "okay we'll bring you in but no promises in year 2" and get him to waive it?

He could always just retire if he still wants to be near his kid...

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789012 is a reply to message #789010 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:33

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:31

So the player gets to decide if they keep their NTC. Keith wanted to come here. Was there any discussion about "okay we'll bring you in but no promises in year 2" and get him to waive it?

He could always just retire if he still wants to be near his kid...

How does any of that help Chicago?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789011 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 15:33

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I was never against seeing the Oil acquire Keith, but not at what Holland gave up and especially not when there was no salary retention involved. This team really makes it hard to feel optimistic about anything....

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789020 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:38

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789021 is a reply to message #789020 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:47

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 19:38

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Didn’t think my mood could get any worse.

So there are like 4 guys on that list that make more than him?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789022 is a reply to message #789021 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 16:51

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Worse trade[ 20 vote(s) ]

1. $7.5M Gomez to the Habs 15 / 75%
2. $5.5M Keith to the Oilers 5 / 25%

Is this the worst trade ever considering flat cap, McDavid and Draisaitl in their prime, team needs, etc…?

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789024 is a reply to message #789020 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:00

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:38

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Since we don't care about how old guys are anymore, Martinez is definitely a guy I would have taken a run at. Still a very good player.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789026 is a reply to message #789024 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:03

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:38

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Since we don't care about how old guys are anymore, Martinez is definitely a guy I would have taken a run at. Still a very good player.

“Hey Siri, what is the average age of an NHL championship roster?”

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789025 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

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The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
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Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789027 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:07

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
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Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Good news guys, the 2nd rounder is safe.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789028 is a reply to message #789027 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:21

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:07

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Good news guys, the 2nd rounder is safe.

Nah - we’ll lose the first round in 7, but since we had 3 wins, the NHL will multiply that by 4 possible rounds = 12 wins divided by 3. Yup, enough for 3 round wins. 2nd round pick it is.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789029 is a reply to message #789028 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:35

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Thing is, it doesn’t even matter if Keith comes in and wins the Norris. We had every conceivable advantage. That we let the Hawks dump Keith on us without retaining anything, PLUS getting 2 assets is larceny. His performance won’t change that this was a massive massive blunder by Lowe. Er, Holland.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789036 is a reply to message #789029 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:39

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Mike wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:35

Thing is, it doesn’t even matter if Keith comes in and wins the Norris. We had every conceivable advantage. That we let the Hawks dump Keith on us without retaining anything, PLUS getting 2 assets is larceny. His performance won’t change that this was a massive massive blunder by Lowe. Er, Holland.

Bowman is one of the best GM's in the league and has been for over a decade now. Who really thought that Holland was ever going to fleece him? That was my main concern with this deal before it was made: a minnow was trying to make a deal with a great white shark. Even if that shark had its fins cut off, it was still in a position to eat that minnow for breakfast.

The Hawks dump the salary of a player well past his prime and pick up a potential young replacement while also putting themselves into a better position to take a crack at signing that replacement's star brother both through the family tie and the cap space that was just freed up when the sucker-er-trading partner agreed to take it all despite being in the better position as far as leverage was concerned.

There should just be a !@$@ing memo sent to all staff in the Oil front office to just avoid making ANY deals with the Hawks as long as Bowman is still there. They just keep getting owned by him.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789030 is a reply to message #789028 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:37

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Mike wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:07

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Good news guys, the 2nd rounder is safe.

Nah - we’ll lose the first round in 7, but since we had 3 wins, the NHL will multiply that by 4 possible rounds = 12 wins divided by 3. Yup, enough for 3 round wins. 2nd round pick it is.

Losing a seven game series to the Kraken would be a big step forward for the Oilers.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789031 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:46

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Seems worse. We can give up extra bonus conditions, but Chicago can't retain even 500k eh? Wonderful.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789032 is a reply to message #789031 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:58

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:46

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Seems worse. We can give up extra bonus conditions, but Chicago can't retain even 500k eh? Wonderful.

Yeah even a $500K retention would have helped, even symbolically.. wouldn't even throw a freaking bone..

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He doesn’t stop moving his feet in the offensive zone, which makes him tough to defend against, as he’s like a little sparkplug out there, Hockeyprospect.com 2017

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789033 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:01

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Soderlund? 23 year old 5’09 center who shoots left and had 5 assists as an AHL rookie last year.

Now the deal makes sense.

Eff my life. Not hating on Keith. I’m looking forward to seeing him in an Oilers uniform, but every fibre of my soul says he should have been a bargain, but yet we pay above the asking price.

It’s a freaking flat cap and Chicago had no leverage. Even if Holland makes unbelievable deals for the rest of the summer, it does not excuse this pitiful transaction. Absolutely horrendous and a fire able offence.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789034 is a reply to message #789033 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:07

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:01

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Soderlund? 23 year old 5’09 center who shoots left and had 5 assists as an AHL rookie last year.

Now the deal makes sense.

Eff my life. Not hating on Keith. I’m looking forward to seeing him in an Oilers uniform, but every fibre of my soul says he should have been a bargain, but yet we pay above the asking price.

It’s a freaking flat cap and Chicago had no leverage. Even if Holland makes unbelievable deals for the rest of the summer, it does not excuse this pitiful transaction. Absolutely horrendous and a fire able offence.

Yeah, we paid more than full price when we had the hammer, for once, doesn't bode well for any future possible trades where we want an asset and the other team actually doesn't want to, or have to, give it up..

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789063 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:22

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Oh good, if McDavid somehow drags this team to win three rounds in the playoffs, the Oilers give up a higher pick. Perfect.

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18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789064 is a reply to message #789063 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:42

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Goose wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 23:22

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Oh good, if McDavid somehow drags this team to win three rounds in the playoffs, the Oilers give up a higher pick. Perfect.

Pretty sure if this happens and the oilers are in the Cup final, people won’t be so butt hurt about this. But oh my gaaaaawd heaven forbid Holland does anything in this market lately.

Shore signs. WHY!?
Nuge signs. WHY THE TERM??
Keith trade. WHY!?

Let’s step back from the ledge people.

(This isn’t directed at Goose, just a general ‘people’)

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789074 is a reply to message #789064 ]	Tue, 13 July 2021 08:34

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 23:42

Goose wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 23:22

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:02

The official deal:

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Pierre LeBrun
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Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Oh good, if McDavid somehow drags this team to win three rounds in the playoffs, the Oilers give up a higher pick. Perfect.

Pretty sure if this happens and the oilers are in the Cup final, people won’t be so butt hurt about this. But oh my gaaaaawd heaven forbid Holland does anything in this market lately.

Shore signs. WHY!?
Nuge signs. WHY THE TERM??
Keith trade. WHY!?

Let’s step back from the ledge people.

(This isn’t directed at Goose, just a general ‘people’)

I thought people were generally okay with the Nuge one. As always OG, I hope that I, and the other negative nellies, are wrong and Keith does great here. Just looks unlikely.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789035 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:33

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BlackGoldHockey @BIackGoldHockey

So far in his tenure, Holland has traded, collectively:

Lucic (750k retained)
Marino
Jones
Gagner
Brodziak

2nd
2nd
3rd
3rd
4th

For:

Keith
Neal
Ennis
Green
Athanasiou

6th

Maybe just stop trading Holland, you suck badly at it. Sucked in Detroit too.

Draft, develop, that's all he should be allowed to do until he's fired.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789037 is a reply to message #789035 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:41

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 18:33

BlackGoldHockey @BIackGoldHockey

So far in his tenure, Holland has traded, collectively:

Lucic (750k retained)
Marino
Jones
Gagner
Brodziak

2nd
2nd
3rd
3rd
4th

For:

Keith
Neal
Ennis
Green
Athanasiou

6th

Maybe just stop trading Holland, you suck badly at it. Sucked in Detroit too.

Draft, develop, that's all he should be allowed to do until he's fired.

I'd just settle for a moratorium on making deals with the Hawks and sticking to trading partners like Treliving before he finally gets the can in Calgary.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789038 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:42

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Chelios comparison by Holland. Who saw that coming?

Wait a sec, I thought he said it wasn't good to get Chelios even after 2 straight cup wins to try to get the 3rd in a row?

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789039 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:51

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"I don't know if this was a numbers decision." -- Ken Holland on the analytics/factors that went into acquiring Duncan Keith.

Of course not. I'm sure Holland's son gave Keith a shining review in his pro scout report.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789041 is a reply to message #789039 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:05

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 18:51

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

"I don't know if this was a numbers decision." -- Ken Holland on the analytics/factors that went into acquiring Duncan Keith.

Of course not. I'm sure Holland's son gave Keith a shining review in his pro scout report.

“Hey dad i forgot to finish my scouting report on Chicago.”

“That’s fine son, I don’t read them anyways.”

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789042 is a reply to message #789041 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:19

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 19:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 18:51

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

"I don't know if this was a numbers decision." -- Ken Holland on the analytics/factors that went into acquiring Duncan Keith.

Of course not. I'm sure Holland's son gave Keith a shining review in his pro scout report.

“Hey dad i forgot to finish my scouting report on Chicago.”

“That’s fine son, I don’t read them anyways.”

"Son, have you seen my bottle of lube anywhere?"

"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789040 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:56

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Holland on asking for more from Chicago using the leverage he had: "It's hard to squeeze people in this league"

He says this after just being squeezed. Clown.

Holland doesn't know Keith mainly played against 2nd/3rd liners last year. Says that once he comes here and isn't always out against the best players his game will be better.

[Updated on: Mon, 12 July 2021 19:02]

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789043 is a reply to message #789040 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:24

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:56

Holland on asking for more from Chicago using the leverage he had: "It's hard to squeeze people in this league"

He says this after just being squeezed. Clown.

Holland doesn't know Keith mainly played against 2nd/3rd liners last year. Says that once he comes here and isn't always out against the best players his game will be better.

Yeah if you're wearing gloves like these..

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789044 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:26

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789047 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:30

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Anyone wanting to get in on a burger bet re: Duncan Keith the Oiler?

Y’all know I’m pro-Duncan the Oiler and I’m lovin’ today.

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