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Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786326]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:05

MJ
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786329 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:06

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786337 is a reply to message #786329 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:10

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Perfect post G2K. icon_lol

g2k wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:06

"[It was] really cool to throw on the Oilers gear, the gear that I want to play the rest of my life wearing. It was pretty cool to put it on. With all the history, it was a lot of fun." - Connor McDavid, July 1, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786339 is a reply to message #786337 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:12

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At least McDavid got an assist on the game winner?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786333 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:07

Ragnarok73
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This series is a good lesson for the Oilers in what they lack to get far in the playoffs. Will they learn it well? Let’s see what Holland does in the offseason...

"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786335 is a reply to message #786333 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:10

HamBlaster
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Good game by the Oilers tonight... but SWEPT. Not good enough to beat playoff teams.

The refs can rot in hell, as far as I'm concerned. Worst referees in any professional league.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786340 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:12

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So disappointing...I really thought this was our year. McDavid 105pts in 56games...and he could have had more if the refs weren't against us all year.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786342 is a reply to message #786340 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

Ragnarok73
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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:12

So disappointing...I really thought this was our year. McDavid 105pts in 56games...and he could have had more if the refs weren't against us all year.

You really thought that they were good enough with that D and little secondary scoring? I can’t remember when I was ever that optimistic about an Oilers team in the past 2 decades aside from the 2006 run...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786344 is a reply to message #786340 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:12

So disappointing...I really thought this was our year. McDavid 105pts in 56games...and he could have had more if the refs weren't against us all year.

The refs may or may not have sucked, it's hard to see it with unbiased eyes right now, but make no mistake, the refs did NOT cost Edmonton this game or series. They are a poorly constructed team. They are tissue paper thin team up front. They have bad defense and will have questionable goaltending.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786341 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

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I feel like the Oilers played well enough overall to not get swept, but here we are.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786346 is a reply to message #786341 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:17

Ragnarok73
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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

I feel like the Oilers played well enough overall to not get swept, but here we are.

They got to triple OT because Bear and his partner were stapled to the bench since about the 16:30 mark of the 3rd period. The minute he gets back on the ice the Jets score. They need at least one top-pairing d-man going into next season.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786349 is a reply to message #786346 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:20

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 01:17

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

I feel like the Oilers played well enough overall to not get swept, but here we are.

Noticed that too...though not credited with the -1 on that game winner despite what seemed to be a horrible d pairing change leading to the Connor goal....(#97's turnover didn't help either).

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786350 is a reply to message #786349 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:21

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:20

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 01:17

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

I feel like the Oilers played well enough overall to not get swept, but here we are.

Noticed that too...though not credited with the -1 on that game winner despite what seemed to be a horrible d pairing change leading to the Connor goal....(#97's turnover didn't help either).

Bear bailing after a 20 second shift before we have the puck in the zone. That was pretty weird. Wonder if the forwards had any idea the plan was to instantly change the D.

Got like...5 months to ponder what happened there :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786366 is a reply to message #786350 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:53

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:21

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:20

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 01:17

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

I feel like the Oilers played well enough overall to not get swept, but here we are.

Noticed that too...though not credited with the -1 on that game winner despite what seemed to be a horrible d pairing change leading to the Connor goal....(#97's turnover didn't help either).

I think Bear started off getting hit a ton, like Yamo was, and it slowed him down and changed his game totally. Stopped making the play, worried about the hit coming, chipped the puck lightly instead of clearing the zone, gave up position constantly, Hail Mary passes up the slot, etc etc etc, and the Jets identified this mental weakness and overloaded him with pressure. Larsson looked the same in game two but bounced back well. Russell started rough tonight but upped his game decently after the first. But Bear looked worse and worse after game two consistently going downhill period by period. He should have been sitting this game- not a lesson that needed learning.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786368 is a reply to message #786350 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 01:11

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:21

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:20

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 01:17

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

I feel like the Oilers played well enough overall to not get swept, but here we are.

Noticed that too...though not credited with the -1 on that game winner despite what seemed to be a horrible d pairing change leading to the Connor goal....(#97's turnover didn't help either).

I'm just curious why Larsson decided to leave Connor all along behind him. Just completely abandoned him back there.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786369 is a reply to message #786368 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 01:29

CrusaderPi
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Fun tweet from Willis:

Oilers forward lineup tonight, by 5v5 points this season:

40 - 56 - 16
6 - 14 - 5
9 - 3 - 19
1 - 11 - 9

That’s grim.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786371 is a reply to message #786369 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 01:35

Oscargasm
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 01:29

Fun tweet from Willis:

Oilers forward lineup tonight, by 5v5 points this season:

40 - 56 - 16
6 - 14 - 5
9 - 3 - 19
1 - 11 - 9

That’s grim.

A certain employee of the Oilers stated he liked our depth. Hmm.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786343 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:15

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I want the last 6 days of my life back....

On a lighter note...giving Barrie more ice time with the 2nd/3rd/4th liners seemed to be a spark...everything else coaching/execution wise...well...

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786347 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:17

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786348 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:17

Kr55
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So, what's the pitch to McDrai to get them excited for next year?

"We'll try to find a way that you only have to play 40% of every OT game in the playoffs instead of 45%"

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786356 is a reply to message #786348 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:27

stemhovlichski
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:17

So, what's the pitch to McDrai to get them excited for next year?

"We'll try to find a way that you only have to play 40% of every OT game in the playoffs instead of 45%"

"Seeing how hard you had to work in the playoffs this year, how 'bout we just skip them next year?"

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786359 is a reply to message #786356 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:29

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stemhovlichski wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:27

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:17

So, what's the pitch to McDrai to get them excited for next year?

"We'll try to find a way that you only have to play 40% of every OT game in the playoffs instead of 45%"

"Seeing how hard you had to work in the playoffs this year, how 'bout we just skip them next year?"

LTIR? The NHL would never allow that again.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786361 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:32

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21/22 is the final year of Tippets contract, correct?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786365 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 00:51

Kr55
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Couple silver linings of this season.

Yams cheap bridge deal
Nuge pay cut

Went into this year thinking the DRY line would be back and both of these guys would have had a good year. DRY line ended up being banished and neither guy ever had much confidence at any point of the season.

Nuge paycut may not happen of course, but it should.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786372 is a reply to message #786365 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 02:16

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:51

You want Nuge back? For real?

In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
~nullterm 03/22/2014

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786375 is a reply to message #786372 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 06:54

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Slim Jim Phantom Call wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 05:16

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:51

You want Nuge back? For real?

Nice goal aside, hasn't made much of a case for himself this year has he?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786377 is a reply to message #786372 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 07:58

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Slim Jim Phantom Call wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 02:16

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:51

You want Nuge back? For real?

He’d be ok if he would accept a pay cut. He will likely test the waters for a potential new buyer, but if he can’t find one then re-signing him at a lower cap hit would possible.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786390 is a reply to message #786377 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 10:16

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 07:58

Slim Jim Phantom Call wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 02:16

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 00:51

You want Nuge back? For real?

He’d be ok if he would accept a pay cut. He will likely test the waters for a potential new buyer, but if he can’t find one then re-signing him at a lower cap hit would possible.

If it’s a 1.5-2M pay cut, sure.

Can’t pay him James Neal money.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786825 is a reply to message #786390 ]	Sat, 29 May 2021 20:17

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I'm really disappointed with Nuge. He still has the body of 12 year old (hasn't put on any size at all) and has fallen off a cliff ES.

Contract year, one of McDrai's window years and he totally did nothing.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786830 is a reply to message #786825 ]	Sat, 29 May 2021 22:17

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HamBlaster wrote on Sat, 29 May 2021 19:17

When he first started playing I was thinking.. just wait until Nuge starts shaving and gets some man strength, he'll be a FORCE! .. problem is he hasn't started shaving yet..

I remember a few years ago I read an article about Nuge and his older brother who played hockey for McGill, the brother was taking kinesiology or something like that, anyway the article mentioned that his trainer in the off season was his brother .. always wondered about that.. I expect (hope) he's explored some better alternatives for training over the years.. but every year he never looks any stronger, or quicker, shot never improves, never gets better at faceoffs... its like same Nuge year after year.. except this year, this year he looks slower.

If the Oil are going to sign him, as I expect they will, and with the requisite overpay of about $1.5M (min), I sure hope he does something different with his training this off season, cause whatever he's been doing ain't working.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786370 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 01:32

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Disappointing end to what turned out to be an entertaining season. Team came a long way from overcoming the start they had to finish second in the division. Big moments; Schmiddy’s return from a weird injury to put the team on his back and provide consistent goaltending in a manner that not many believed was possible, Jesse’s return and development into a very serviceable top 6RW with this team, Barrie doing exactly what he intended (perhaps even outperforming expectation) to “become Barrie” again, Nurse’ evolving to the top pairing Dman he’s teased the emergence of, Leon’s continued emergence as one of the top players in the league at both ends of the ice, and obviously, the best for last, Connor’s incredible 105 points in 56 games. Truly remarkable year by many on the team.

That said, excited to get back to regular divisions next season. Excited to see what can finally happen with some cap space available to make the team better. We have the greatest hockey player on the planet and arguably a top 5, surely top 10, player alongside him. Both of whom will evolve yet again after the battle this playoff has been. I’m sure someone will get a thread going for an offseason plan and what the opening night roster could look like. We all have ideas, I’m sure.

But for now, we say goodnight to the 2020/21 Oilers. You got another taste of playoff hockey, I hope it’s as addicting to you as it is to us fans, so that you will fight to return again and again. Thank you for the entertainment and escape from whatever we’re all personally dealing with, alongside the chaos that Covid has caused in our day to day lives. Thank you those moments we can look back on, Connor’s 100th point in 53 games, and tell our grandkids about.

Thank you MJ, for all you do in allowing us a place to talk Edmonton Oilers hockey, all things NHL, Bakersfield Condors, hockey in general and all the shenanigans that occur in the OT forum. Thank you for providing us a safe place, and an opportunity to become part of a family.

Thank you, Oilfans. 💙🧡

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786373 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 03:04

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If they don’t drop dong to get sliced off in game one, I think they win this series.
Never seen Conner that mad at teamates before, krikey he was in a mood. Bummer he made a mistake to end the series.

Lesson to be learned again? Don’t flop that dick out and expect to win.

Full Oiler Bobbitt

In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786376 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 07:28

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Depth got blatantly exposed. 10 man roster(somehow Shore made the cut?) for 4 periods and as soon as deviated they scored. Bad cough up by McDavid, but at 46 minutes of ice time he is allowed and if nothing for a horrendous change it was a nothing play.

I avoided all things Oilers for the past few days. This one hurt. Blown leads. Wild officiating (although this was the most 5 on 3’s I’ve seen in years). Questionable coaching tactics (didn’t realize you could bank timeouts).

This off-season will be the most pivotable in years. If we do not make some good decisions, I think we will see something dreadful happen.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786378 is a reply to message #786376 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 08:04

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 07:28

A few people have pointed out that the Oil would have had a much harder time in the regular season if they had to play a normal schedule against the rest of the league outside of what was arguably the weakest division this season. I find it hard to argue considering how many times they got to play the Sens. Having to contend with playing against teams like Colorado, Pittsburgh, Nashville, etc would have definitely made getting to the playoffs harder. If Holland actually thinks that he only needs to “tweak” the current roster, next year will be downright ugly.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786384 is a reply to message #786376 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 08:55

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I am petty disappointed. I did not think the Oilers as a team where ready to be a cup contender but I expected them to make it out of the first round. I thought the Oilers were the better team for most of every game in the series but critical errors cost them.

They need to continue to improve their depth but at the end of the day your best players have to produce to win because they make all the money and get most of the ice time. If you look at who carried the Jets, Wheeler, Schiefele, Connor, Ehlers had 8 goals. Ehlers only played 2 game so he would have scored more as he was unbelievable in those 2 games. The Oilers big 4, McD, Leon, Nuge, JP had 5 goals. The Jets big boys outplayed the Oilers big goys.

Hopefully the team learned from valuable lessons. McD made a few critical errors on goals especially in the last 2 games. OT winner last night, I know he was tired. You can't make that play and barely chip it in. Can't.
Leon is a bull. I love when they play together but after this series, I never want McD and Leon on the same line except PP ever again.
Bear, he had a rough series. Some BRUTAL errors. That play on the game tying goal, they teach my 10 yr not to do that. Awful, awful play.
Nuge had his best game in game 4. Was he trying to go out on a high for his last game as an Oiler? Has he decided that? Where the hell was that for the first 3? He was terrible. I want him to stay but you can not overpay him. This whole fantasy of fans of #KeepNugeforever. Fans need to give your head a shake. 5 mill is my outer marker and that is being generous for time served. He's a winger, not a center. Face facts. Toffoli signed for 4.25 mill and had 28 goals this year with no one as his center. How Nuge and his agent can justify getting more is baffling to me. That's why 5 mill is being super generous for time served.
JP good series. I said it in the JP thread. I am more than happy to eat my words.
Yamo. I hope it's a sophomore jinx because WOW did he disappear for the last 2 months? Maybe he's a 3rd liner who you can elevate if needed.
Kassian, I like his last 2 games. Makes a little too much but useful guy if he plays like he did the last 2 games.
Nurse my god. I know he had some mistakes but this guy might be the long lost #1 dman fans have been talking about since Pronger. He played a TON so that i think contributed to some errors and both his partners STRUGGLED at times but WOW. I am excited about him.
Larsson I like his series and season. They should resign him but not overpay.
Barrie, thanks for the points. Bye Bye.
Bottom 6 as a whole. Excited for McLeod. Definitely a player there. I like Shore as a 4th liner. Archibald dumb penalty but useful guy. Other than that not sure. Haas I really liked his game 4 but can he ever score? Maybe back as an extra. Khaira. I love parts of his game but not a lot of offense and faceoffs. I know some people think faceoffs don't mean much. They did this series. Game 3 winner, off a lost faceoff from Khaira. Jets had several off faceoffs where Smith had to make fantastic saves.

Smith. Fantastic year. Never saw it coming. He might get and probably should get vezina consideration. If he was younger, absolutely deserves a contract but he's 39, will be 40 next year. As hard as it will be to let him go after that year because I can see what he brings to the team other than goaltending but father time is undefeated.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786396 is a reply to message #786376 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 10:50

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 07:28

People are calling that a bad change, but it's a long change, and they aren't expecting the turnover at the blue line. We had full control and just gave it away.

It's not surprising - Tippett played the wheels off those guys at the top of his roster, but that's not on the change. Not sure how anyone expects Bear to get all the way to the far bench, and his replacement to get all the way back in the time it takes McDavid to go blueline to blueline.

Ridiculous roster management in an extremely long game, and a complete indictment of what management has provided to the coach. He clearly didn't feel he could trust any of them.

Of course, part of that is the fact he almost never dressed his best rosters. Some bizarre decisions in this series. Tippett decides that Jones is persona non grata, and replaces him with a guy coming off a major injury with one game back - a game we lost and looked awful in. He put in Russell coming off injury for the final game, and played him 32 minutes. Nurse's minutes were obscene and ridiculous. The 5-minute shift included several faceoffs - he just got left on forever. One mistake and he's scratches two defencemen for an hour - and then throws them out for a penalty kill an hour later?! Bear had had a pretty decent night until the mistake.

If players fear they can't make any mistakes without getting benched, they're more likely to make mistakes. Busting Puljujarvi to the 4th line makes zero sense. So you don't have him on the first...why is Shore playing on the second line!? Shore was a healthy scratch for the first two games of the series and suddenly he's the guy getting the push? Worth noting, he didn't embarrass himself with those minutes, but even so...

I don't understand why they threw out the game plan after the first couple games with the Oilers dominating chances. They made it easier on the Jets to shut down the top guys.

Tippett followed in the footsteps of McLellan in meekly accepting that the Jets were going to mug our guys and he couldn't say anything more. You know - changing the message after a tough Game 2 loss might have been helpful...what a great time to point out that at that point there'd been 4 minors called on the Jets in 7 periods, despite flagrant fouls. Do something to take pressure off the team and change the narrative. Know that it's the same damn refs every game, so maybe calling them out will have some impact - the NHL will be watching them and it'll cost them money if the public impression is that they're doing a crummy job. Say something!

Instead, all we got was his lame admission after Game 3 that he thought about calling a timeout but thought he'd just wait for the TV timeout instead...

Tippett is better than McLellan, but that's a low bar. Under him we've got a better powerplay and PK, but very little adjustment in that series again other than throwing Draisaitl back with McDavid. Didn't change the breakout - which clearly was challenged and gameplanned for by the Jets - didn't adjust the PK to counter an effective Jets PP. Didn't adjust much of anything, just hoped that what worked before would suddenly start working again. I don't think Maurice is a master tactician and he just owned Tippett. Second year in a row we're outcoached.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786410 is a reply to message #786396 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 12:17

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Adam wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 10:50

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 07:28

When I say a horrendous change I am not really blaming Bear on that one. How long was he out there, a faceoff and off? Did Tippett tell him to get off the ice so he could run his top 4 out again? I question why Bear had to change at that time. Maybe I missed something?

I also agree that Shore played better than I had expected, but for the life of me I could not understand where Tippett came up with this idea? At no time this season did Shore get a look in the top 6 and now in a deciding game he makes this move? From a an outside perspective, it just reeked of arrogance from the Head Coach. Puljujarvi was having a strong game. I just shake my head.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786451 is a reply to message #786396 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 15:16

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Adam wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 10:50

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 07:28

To be fair, Jones has been crap for a couple months so I can't blame Tippett for not trusting him.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786379 is a reply to message #786326 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 08:30

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Ensuring we had no clue what Bouchard could do definitely paid off in the end too eh?

Along with going the last half of the year not caring about finding some chemistry for a 2nd line with drai. Those were some pretty big brain decisions to flesh the lineup out for playoffs

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #4) [message #786380 is a reply to message #786379 ]	Tue, 25 May 2021 08:35

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 25 May 2021 11:30

Bouchard, the "2nd line", and even though we ended up not needing it, not even seeing what Stalock could do in one of the last 2 meaningless games of the year. Enough stupid to go around to be sure.

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