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Re: D. Holloway [message #778512 is a reply to message #778362 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 01:26

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 18:29

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

Tony Granato was an absolute trainwreck of an NHL coach. He's the guy that blew it when the Avs got Kariya/Selanne for dirt cheap. They made the mistake of saying at the press conference when they were signed that they were looking forward to playing together. Granato said soon afterwards that players don't get to decide their linemates and he NEVER played them together - instead banishing Selanne to the fourth line and saying he had to "earn his icetime" as Selanne failed to light it up playing 10 minutes a night with goons and checkers.

Looks like he learned his lesson, in NCAA he knows he's selling finished pro products (for recruiting) as well as trying to win games..

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778575 is a reply to message #778512 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 13:29

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https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/future-watch-holloway-named- national-player-of-the-month/c-322048486

Fantastic work by Holloway

"The 2020 first-round draft pick has been selected as the Hockey Commissioners Association National Player of the Month after he scored 17 points in eight games with the Wisconsin Badgers.

Due in large part to his six goals and 11 assists in February, Holloway now leads the entire NCAA in points per game among players with more than eight appearances at 1.83.

The 14th-overall selection has 11 goals and 22 assists in 18 total games this season."

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778581 is a reply to message #778512 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 13:48

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 00:26

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 18:29

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

Tony Granato was an absolute trainwreck of an NHL coach. He's the guy that blew it when the Avs got Kariya/Selanne for dirt cheap. They made the mistake of saying at the press conference when they were signed that they were looking forward to playing together. Granato said soon afterwards that players don't get to decide their linemates and he NEVER played them together - instead banishing Selanne to the fourth line and saying he had to "earn his icetime" as Selanne failed to light it up playing 10 minutes a night with goons and checkers.

Looks like he learned his lesson, in NCAA he knows he's selling finished pro products (for recruiting) as well as trying to win games..

Yeah, while big blistering mistakes don't look good, if the coach/GM etc. has found success later in their career recovery, I don't think a past mistake years ago should eliminate them in your search.

As the interviewer, their homework should be to find out in detail every major mistake that the candidate made before the interview. Bring these up in the interviews, go through them in detail, see if the candidate learned anything. See if they can talk about examples later in their career where they could have made the same mistake again but knew better.

And in other scenarios, sometimes you can make the right bet or decision and you still fail. If you are interviewing a former Oilers scout who was pro-Yakupov, I as the interviewer think that is a good bet that just didn't work out. Deciphering which errors were decision-based and which were due to the randomness of hockey or other factors out of their control should also be part of the interviewer's homework.

Some people learn. Some people don't.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778583 is a reply to message #778581 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 13:50

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smyth260 wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 13:48

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 00:26

Quote:

Tony Granato was an absolute trainwreck of an NHL coach. He's the guy that blew it when the Avs got Kariya/Selanne for dirt cheap. They made the mistake of saying at the press conference when they were signed that they were looking forward to playing together. Granato said soon afterwards that players don't get to decide their linemates and he NEVER played them together - instead banishing Selanne to the fourth line and saying he had to "earn his icetime" as Selanne failed to light it up playing 10 minutes a night with goons and checkers.

Looks like he learned his lesson, in NCAA he knows he's selling finished pro products (for recruiting) as well as trying to win games..

Yeah, while big blistering mistakes don't look good, if the coach/GM etc. has found success later in their career recovery, I don't think a past mistake years ago should eliminate them.

As the interviewer, their homework should be to find out in detail every major mistake that the candidate made before the interview. Bring these up in the interviews, go through them in detail, see if the candidate learned anything. See if they can talk about examples later in their career where they could have made the same mistake again but knew better.

Some people learn. Some people don't.

It would be fascinating to put him on the spot about that years later. I wonder how many people would try to justify what they did there, as opposed to admit they messed up.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778609 is a reply to message #778583 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 21:44

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Quiet night for Holloway vs. MSU, at least on the score board.

https://uwbadgers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/stats/2020-21/m ichigan-state/boxscore/13281

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778611 is a reply to message #778609 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 23:14

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GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 05 March 2021 20:44

Quiet night for Holloway vs. MSU, at least on the score board.

https://uwbadgers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/stats/2020-21/m ichigan-state/boxscore/13281

He'll make up for it tomorrow! Big series for them vs MS trying to take over Minni..
Had 5 shots and 71% on the dot

[Updated on: Fri, 05 March 2021 23:16]

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778759 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sun, 07 March 2021 02:46

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D. Holloway steals the puck and sets up Colefield for the Big Ten Hockey Championship winning goal.
Tony be happy :)
https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1368311478780981250

https://uwbadgers.com/images/2021/3/6/2021B1GChampsUWBadgers_71.jpg?width=768&height=432&mode=crop&format=jpg&quality=80

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778875 is a reply to message #778759 ]	Mon, 08 March 2021 18:38

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Does anyone know when hes eligible to turn pro?

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778939 is a reply to message #778875 ]	Mon, 08 March 2021 20:39

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 18:38

Does anyone know when hes eligible to turn pro?

He could sign with the Oilers whenever he wants. Only issue is that signing with us ends his NCAA career. He may not want to do that unless it’s certain he’s going to be playing in the NHL.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778941 is a reply to message #778939 ]	Mon, 08 March 2021 20:41

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Adam wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 21:39

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 18:38

Does anyone know when hes eligible to turn pro?

He could sign with the Oilers whenever he wants. Only issue is that signing with us ends his NCAA career. He may not want to do that unless it’s certain he’s going to be playing in the NHL.

I mean a quick look at the org’s LW depth and safe to say there’s a pretty clear path to him being an NHLer.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778946 is a reply to message #778941 ]	Mon, 08 March 2021 20:44

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 20:41

Adam wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 21:39

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 18:38

Does anyone know when hes eligible to turn pro?

He could sign with the Oilers whenever he wants. Only issue is that signing with us ends his NCAA career. He may not want to do that unless it’s certain he’s going to be playing in the NHL.

I mean a quick look at the org’s LW depth and safe to say there’s a pretty clear path to him being an NHLer.

I don't think you can really promise a teenager he's going to be an NHLer on this team right now. College hockey isn't the NHL and you can't assume he's going to just jump in and excel here.

I don't see a good reason to rush him over yet. He's still 19 for another 6 months still. Leave him for another year in the NCAA and then we'll see.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778948 is a reply to message #778946 ]	Mon, 08 March 2021 20:47

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Adam wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 21:44

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 20:41

Adam wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 21:39

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 08 March 2021 18:38

Does anyone know when hes eligible to turn pro?

He could sign with the Oilers whenever he wants. Only issue is that signing with us ends his NCAA career. He may not want to do that unless it’s certain he’s going to be playing in the NHL.

I mean a quick look at the org’s LW depth and safe to say there’s a pretty clear path to him being an NHLer.

I don't think you can really promise a teenager he's going to be an NHLer on this team right now. College hockey isn't the NHL and you can't assume he's going to just jump in and excel here.

I don't see a good reason to rush him over yet. He's still 19 for another 6 months still. Leave him for another year in the NCAA and then we'll see.

I wasn’t saying bring him in now. I’m just saying there’s a clear path for the kid.

Burning an year of his ELC for a few regular season games and possibly 4-13 playoffs games isn’t worth it either.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779581 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Mon, 15 March 2021 16:13

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Penn State ahead of Wisconsin 2-1 in 3rd, Holloway gets a 5 min for "contact to head", game misconduct.. doh

doh

We'll see what Caulfield has..
http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=345340

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779586 is a reply to message #779581 ]	Mon, 15 March 2021 16:46

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 15 March 2021 16:13

Penn State ahead of Wisconsin 2-1 in 3rd, Holloway gets a 5 min for "contact to head", game misconduct.. doh

doh

We'll see what Caulfield has..
http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=345340

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Bit of an upset, no?

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779588 is a reply to message #779586 ]	Mon, 15 March 2021 16:56

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I would be signing Holloway if he's willing and at least get him in Bakersfield playing pro games after College is done.

He finished with 1.7 pts per game. Eichel in his 1 and only college year had 1.75 pts per game. I am not saying Holloway is or will be as good as Eichel but when you are putting up points like that, I don't see what another year of college hockey gets him development wise. If his skating was a problem, I could see it keeping him in college to work on it. If he was undersized, I could see it but he's 6'1, over 200 lbs.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779670 is a reply to message #779588 ]	Mon, 15 March 2021 20:27

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Yeah, I think kenny should at least try and talk him into playing the year out in Bakersfield. With our lack of offensive wingers he should at least have a reasonable shot at making the big club for next year. I wonder if they gelive him minutes with drai or connor, or if he would start lower in the lineup

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779753 is a reply to message #779670 ]	Mon, 15 March 2021 21:51

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 15 March 2021 19:27

Yeah, I think kenny should at least try and talk him into playing the year out in Bakersfield. With our lack of offensive wingers he should at least have a reasonable shot at making the big club for next year. I wonder if they gelive him minutes with drai or connor, or if he would start lower in the lineup

He could center a 3rd line, or winger top 6, he's a shooter, playmaker, with speed and size.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779591 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Mon, 15 March 2021 17:22

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Well Holloway lives for another game! Whew!! weights

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Wisconsin wins 4-3 in OT, Caulfield comes through, scores last 2 goals, winner in OT.
Holloway owes him a beer. Would have been a crappy way to end a NCAA career.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779821 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 15:12

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Announced to the All-B1G 1st team today!!

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779830 is a reply to message #779821 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 15:32

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Oilers better send him a list of available numbers and start making up the name bar!

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779844 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 18:11

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Wisconsin v Minnisota game link..
https://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=345342

Holloway is playing, didn't get a suspension...

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779845 is a reply to message #779844 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 18:54

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 16 March 2021 18:11

Wisconsin v Minnisota game link..
https://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=345342

Holloway is playing, didn't get a suspension...

B. E. A. Utiful!

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779847 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 19:34

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Wisconsin not doing too good.. down 5-1 to Minni after 2 ..
only positive is that Holloway is still +1

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779851 is a reply to message #779847 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 20:46

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 16 March 2021 19:34

Wisconsin not doing too good.. down 5-1 to Minni after 2 ..
only positive is that Holloway is still +1

Caufield and Holloway get blanked. Bummer game to end a good season. But, huge disappointment is a great Oilers-like experience for Holloway! He's ready ;)

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779852 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 21:43

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Wisconsin might have lost the Big-10 championship, but they will still likely get selected to the frozen 4 final 16 teams as the Big-10 regular season champ, and #4 national ranking... not over yet..

Wonder if something was wrong with Holloway, stats say he didn't take any faceoffs, and he was invisible on the scorecard..

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Re: D. Holloway [message #779853 is a reply to message #779852 ]	Tue, 16 March 2021 21:52

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 16 March 2021 21:43

Wisconsin might have lost the Big-10 championship, but they will still likely get selected to the frozen 4 final 16 teams as the Big-10 regular season champ, and #4 national ranking... not over yet..

Wonder if something was wrong with Holloway, stats say he didn't take any faceoffs, and he was invisible on the scorecard..

They’ll forsure still have a shot to play for the frozen 4, it isn’t time for them to let it go 😏

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Wisconsin named to Frozen 4 Tournament, play Bmidji State in 1st round, bracket below..
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/icehockey-men/d1/2021

Fargo Regional, March 26-27
Scheels Arena, Fargo, North Dakota

No. 2 Minnesota Duluth (14-10-2) vs. No. 3 Michigan (15-10-1) 
Friday, March 26 | 4 p.m. ET | ESPNU/WatchESPN
No. 1 North Dakota (21-5-1) vs. No. 4 American Int’l (15-3-0)
Friday, March 26 | 9:30 p.m. ET | ESPN3/WatchESPN

Fargo Regional Championship
Saturday, March 27 | 6:30 p.m. ET | ESPNU/WatchESPN
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Bridgeport Regional, March 26-27
Webster Bank Arena, Bridgeport, Connecticut

No. 1 Wisconsin (20-9-1) vs. No. 4 Bemidji State (15-9-3)
Friday, March 26| 1 p.m. ET | ESPN2/WatchESPN
No. 2 Massachusetts (16-5-4) vs. No. 3 Lake Superior State (19-6-3)
Friday, March 26 | 6:30 p.m. ET | ESPNU/WatchESPN

Bridgeport Regional Championship
Saturday, March 27 | 4 p.m. ET | ESPNU/WatchESPN
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Loveland Regional, March 27-28
Budweiser Events Center, Loveland, Colorado

No. 2 Minnesota State (20-4-1) vs. No. 3 Quinnipiac (17-7-4)
Saturday, March 27 | 4 p.m. ET | ESPN3/WatchESPN
No. 1 Minnesota (23-6-0) vs. No. 4 Omaha (14-10-1)
Saturday, March 27 | 9 p.m. ET | ESPNU/WatchESPN

Loveland Regional Championship
Sunday, March 28 | 8 p.m. ET | ESPN2/WatchESPN
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Albany Regional, March 27-28
Times Union Center, Albany, New York

No. 1 Boston College (17-5-1) vs. No. 4 Notre Dame (14-13-2)
Saturday, March 27 |1 p.m. ET | ESPNews/WatchESPN
No. 2 St. Cloud State (17-10-0) vs. No. 3 Boston U. (10-4-1)
Saturday, March 27 | 6:30 p.m. ET | ESPNews/WatchESPN

Albany Regional Championship
Saturday, March 28 | 5:30 p.m. ET | ESPN2/WatchESPN
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Men’s Frozen Four, April 8 and 10
PPG Paints Arena, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Fargo Regional Champion vs. Bridgeport Regional Champion
Albany Regional Champion vs. Loveland Regional Champion
Thursday, April 8 | 5 and 9 p.m. ET | ESPN2/WatchESPN (order of games TBD)
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National Championship
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Re: D. Holloway [message #781073 is a reply to message #780614 ]	Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

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So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781080 is a reply to message #781073 ]	Fri, 26 March 2021 17:59

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Adam wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

Huge upset.

Holloway likely Bakersfield bound now, I would hope.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781109 is a reply to message #781080 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 15:44

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:59

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

Huge upset.

Holloway likely Bakersfield bound now, I would hope.

Crap way to end your NCAA career, it was an upset but when it comes down to a single game elimination anything can happen. Apparently Bimidji had one of the oldest teams in the tournament, Wisconsin one of the youngest, probably a factor, plus the goalie sounded to be a bit weak, gave away a puck on a PP, allowed Bimidji an EN SH goal.. can't help..

NOTE... This is just my hypothesis but.. In the last 3 Wisconsin games Holloway didn't take any faceoffs, which is his strength, he was the best on their team, he only took TWO face offs vs Bimidji.. ZERO face offs in their last championship game vs Minnesota .. I think he was injured the last 3 games, likely upper body.. wrist, shoulder? He may sign with Bakersfield, but I think he'll be on the IR for a while..

Holloway played 2 seasons in NCAA, time to go pro, Bakersfield next destination, he can learn the pro game there faster than another year at Wisconsin IMHO, especially with the way the team is going now with Woodcroft. If he excels there, expect him up with the Oil at #3 C, or McD's L wing sooner than later..

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781110 is a reply to message #781109 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 15:56

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:44

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:59

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

Huge upset.

Holloway likely Bakersfield bound now, I would hope.

Crap way to end your NCAA career, it was an upset but when it comes down to a single game elimination anything can happen. Apparently Bimidji had one of the oldest teams in the tournament, Wisconsin one of the youngest, probably a factor, plus the goalie sounded to be a bit weak, gave away a puck on a PP, allowed Bimidji an EN SH goal.. can't help..

NOTE... This is just my hypothesis but.. In the last 3 Wisconsin games Holloway didn't take any faceoffs, which is his strength, he was the best on their team, he only took TWO face offs vs Bimidji.. ZERO face offs in their last championship game vs Minnesota .. I think he was injured the last 3 games, likely upper body.. wrist, shoulder? He may sign with Bakersfield, but I think he'll be on the IR for a while..

Holloway played 2 seasons in NCAA, time to go pro, Bakersfield next destination, he can learn the pro game there faster than another year at Wisconsin IMHO, especially with the way the team is going now with Woodcroft. If he excels there, expect him up with the Oil at #3 C, or McD's L wing sooner than later..

I read on twitter that he’s been battling an injury. Fingers crossed for quick and full recovery.

I get his faceoff dominance this year, but I’m thinking he’s the top 6 LW while we see McLeod as 3C.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781135 is a reply to message #781110 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 18:09

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:56

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:44

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:59

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

Huge upset.

Holloway likely Bakersfield bound now, I would hope.

Crap way to end your NCAA career, it was an upset but when it comes down to a single game elimination anything can happen. Apparently Bimidji had one of the oldest teams in the tournament, Wisconsin one of the youngest, probably a factor, plus the goalie sounded to be a bit weak, gave away a puck on a PP, allowed Bimidji an EN SH goal.. can't help..

NOTE... This is just my hypothesis but.. In the last 3 Wisconsin games Holloway didn't take any faceoffs, which is his strength, he was the best on their team, he only took TWO face offs vs Bimidji.. ZERO face offs in their last championship game vs Minnesota .. I think he was injured the last 3 games, likely upper body.. wrist, shoulder? He may sign with Bakersfield, but I think he'll be on the IR for a while..

Holloway played 2 seasons in NCAA, time to go pro, Bakersfield next destination, he can learn the pro game there faster than another year at Wisconsin IMHO, especially with the way the team is going now with Woodcroft. If he excels there, expect him up with the Oil at #3 C, or McD's L wing sooner than later..

I read on twitter that he’s been battling an injury. Fingers crossed for quick and full recovery.

I get his faceoff dominance this year, but I’m thinking he’s the top 6 LW while we see McLeod as 3C.

Didn't they say he was fighting an injury in the World Juniors as well?

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781173 is a reply to message #781135 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 18:52

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 17:09

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:56

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:44

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:59

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

Huge upset.

Holloway likely Bakersfield bound now, I would hope.

Crap way to end your NCAA career, it was an upset but when it comes down to a single game elimination anything can happen. Apparently Bimidji had one of the oldest teams in the tournament, Wisconsin one of the youngest, probably a factor, plus the goalie sounded to be a bit weak, gave away a puck on a PP, allowed Bimidji an EN SH goal.. can't help..

NOTE... This is just my hypothesis but.. In the last 3 Wisconsin games Holloway didn't take any faceoffs, which is his strength, he was the best on their team, he only took TWO face offs vs Bimidji.. ZERO face offs in their last championship game vs Minnesota .. I think he was injured the last 3 games, likely upper body.. wrist, shoulder? He may sign with Bakersfield, but I think he'll be on the IR for a while..

Holloway played 2 seasons in NCAA, time to go pro, Bakersfield next destination, he can learn the pro game there faster than another year at Wisconsin IMHO, especially with the way the team is going now with Woodcroft. If he excels there, expect him up with the Oil at #3 C, or McD's L wing sooner than later..

I read on twitter that he’s been battling an injury. Fingers crossed for quick and full recovery.

I get his faceoff dominance this year, but I’m thinking he’s the top 6 LW while we see McLeod as 3C.

Didn't they say he was fighting an injury in the World Juniors as well?

Yeah he cam back from that one.. then dominated NCAA when he returned tp play, this one is recent, might be a re-injury though can't remember if the WJHC was an LBI or UBI.. this one was definitely upper, whatever stops you from taking ..

OH THIS JUST IN.. FRIEDMAN SAYS HE HAD A FREAKING BROKEN THUMB!!

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781174 is a reply to message #781173 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 18:54

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 18:52

CrudeRemarks wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 17:09

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:56

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 15:44

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:59

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 March 2021 16:23

So it's a big upset that they're out of the Frozen 4 in the first game, is it not?

https://www.ncaa.com/game/5799582

13 shots for Caufield in this one, and three points but not enough.

Huge upset.

Holloway likely Bakersfield bound now, I would hope.

Crap way to end your NCAA career, it was an upset but when it comes down to a single game elimination anything can happen. Apparently Bimidji had one of the oldest teams in the tournament, Wisconsin one of the youngest, probably a factor, plus the goalie sounded to be a bit weak, gave away a puck on a PP, allowed Bimidji an EN SH goal.. can't help..

NOTE... This is just my hypothesis but.. In the last 3 Wisconsin games Holloway didn't take any faceoffs, which is his strength, he was the best on their team, he only took TWO face offs vs Bimidji.. ZERO face offs in their last championship game vs Minnesota .. I think he was injured the last 3 games, likely upper body.. wrist, shoulder? He may sign with Bakersfield, but I think he'll be on the IR for a while..

Holloway played 2 seasons in NCAA, time to go pro, Bakersfield next destination, he can learn the pro game there faster than another year at Wisconsin IMHO, especially with the way the team is going now with Woodcroft. If he excels there, expect him up with the Oil at #3 C, or McD's L wing sooner than later..

I read on twitter that he’s been battling an injury. Fingers crossed for quick and full recovery.

I get his faceoff dominance this year, but I’m thinking he’s the top 6 LW while we see McLeod as 3C.

Didn't they say he was fighting an injury in the World Juniors as well?

Yeah he cam back from that one.. then dominated NCAA when he returned tp play, this one is recent, might be a re-injury though can't remember if the WJHC was an LBI or UBI.. this one was definitely upper, whatever stops you from taking ..

OH THIS JUST IN.. FRIEDMAN SAYS HE HAD A FREAKING BROKEN THUMB!!

No wonder he didnt take faceoffs. I was a soccer goalie and dislocated my thumb during tryouts. Those overlap with hockey playoffs and I played through it but the pain is AWEFUL. contently present and effects every single play

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781175 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 18:54

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Broken Thumb.. he won't be playing for a while.. maybe rest o' season faint

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781226 is a reply to message #781175 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 20:02

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 18:54

Broken Thumb.. he won't be playing for a while.. maybe rest o' season faint

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Ugh, what brutal timing. Hope it heals up quick.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781232 is a reply to message #781226 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 20:35

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 19:02

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 18:54

Broken Thumb.. he won't be playing for a while.. maybe rest o' season faint

faint

Ugh, what brutal timing. Hope it heals up quick.

Yeah double bummer tonight .. lose to Leafs in brutal fashion and then can't look forward to Holloway playing rest of this year, even in Bakersfield. Apparently he's going in for imaging Monday, but I suspect he already knows what he's got. Broken thumbs take a long time, likely ligaments involved as well as a cracked bone.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781239 is a reply to message #781232 ]	Sat, 27 March 2021 22:27

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 20:35

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 19:02

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 18:54

Broken Thumb.. he won't be playing for a while.. maybe rest o' season faint

faint

Ugh, what brutal timing. Hope it heals up quick.

Yeah double bummer tonight .. lose to Leafs in brutal fashion and then can't look forward to Holloway playing rest of this year, even in Bakersfield. Apparently he's going in for imaging Monday, but I suspect he already knows what he's got. Broken thumbs take a long time, likely ligaments involved as well as a cracked bone.

He wasn’t playing with the Oilers this year, he’d be shipped to Bakersfield. This saves burning a year of his ELC, so all in all, give him the rest, get him a good doc and rehab plan and see ya at camp bub!

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781264 is a reply to message #781239 ]	Sun, 28 March 2021 21:08

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 21:27

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 20:35

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 19:02

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 March 2021 18:54

Broken Thumb.. he won't be playing for a while.. maybe rest o' season faint

faint

Ugh, what brutal timing. Hope it heals up quick.

Yeah double bummer tonight .. lose to Leafs in brutal fashion and then can't look forward to Holloway playing rest of this year, even in Bakersfield. Apparently he's going in for imaging Monday, but I suspect he already knows what he's got. Broken thumbs take a long time, likely ligaments involved as well as a cracked bone.

He wasn’t playing with the Oilers this year, he’d be shipped to Bakersfield. This saves burning a year of his ELC, so all in all, give him the rest, get him a good doc and rehab plan and see ya at camp bub!

Retrospect maybe best thing, he'll be stronger, faster, and had another summer of working on his skills before camp, then he has the entire training camp and exhibition games for the coaching staff to compare him to what they have in hand now.. which I suspect some who they will replace, and he'll start out as a 3C or top 2 LW.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #781613 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 30 March 2021 18:41

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Heard during the intermission tonight that Hollaway had thumb surgery last week, he's likely done for the season, including Condors.

See ya on the top line next year kid!

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #782072 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 06 April 2021 18:19

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Holland said today on Stauffer that Holloway may be able to start practicing at the end of April.. so you're sayin' there's a chance ... icon_nod

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