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 Re: Post-Chiarelli Oilers Media Blasts [message #733713 is a reply to message #733708 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 12:57

Nicholson made a comment at the season ticket holders meeting about Rieder. Something along the lines that if he scored 15 goals this year we'd likely be a playoff team.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/03/21/report-its-tobias-rieder s-fault-that-the-oilers-arent-a-playoff-team/

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The really frustrating thing here, though, is how it so clearly indicates that the organization is completely lost. Year after year, it comes down to blame the players. No, not the general manager who put the flawed roster together or the guy at the top who hired that general manager and gave him the green light to make terrible decisions, but the marginal depth players. Man, if this place wasn’t already a tough sell for potential free agents, this comment certainly cemented it.

...

We’re supposed to trust this guy to lead the ship? This is who’s selecting the next general manager? This is who’s going to surround that general manager with the best staff possible to drag the Oilers out of the mess his last hire created? This is supposed to invoke enough faith in season ticket holders to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to support the Oilers?



Blaming a current player for missing the playoffs and then doubling down and saying they wont be signing him? Sloppy Nicks has gone full oiler.
Im sure kicking a player while he's down, tossing him under the bus and running over the poor dude over and over will go over GREAT in the dressing room...



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 11:57

Nicholson made a comment at the season ticket holders meeting about Rieder. Something along the lines that if he scored 15 goals this year we'd likely be a playoff team.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/03/21/report-its-tobias-rieder s-fault-that-the-oilers-arent-a-playoff-team/

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The really frustrating thing here, though, is how it so clearly indicates that the organization is completely lost. Year after year, it comes down to blame the players. No, not the general manager who put the flawed roster together or the guy at the top who hired that general manager and gave him the green light to make terrible decisions, but the marginal depth players. Man, if this place wasn’t already a tough sell for potential free agents, this comment certainly cemented it.

...

We’re supposed to trust this guy to lead the ship? This is who’s selecting the next general manager? This is who’s going to surround that general manager with the best staff possible to drag the Oilers out of the mess his last hire created? This is supposed to invoke enough faith in season ticket holders to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to support the Oilers?




This just in on the Nicholson-Rieder scandal! Darren Dreger's twitter has the scoop:

Quote:

Bob Nicholson just spoke with Toby Rieder. He apologized for his comments criticizing Rieder at a season ticket event. Nicholson said he “stepped out of bounds”. Hoping they can all move on.


What an embarassing piece of news that is now league wide.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:33

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 11:57

Nicholson made a comment at the season ticket holders meeting about Rieder. Something along the lines that if he scored 15 goals this year we'd likely be a playoff team.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/03/21/report-its-tobias-rieder s-fault-that-the-oilers-arent-a-playoff-team/

Quote:

The really frustrating thing here, though, is how it so clearly indicates that the organization is completely lost. Year after year, it comes down to blame the players. No, not the general manager who put the flawed roster together or the guy at the top who hired that general manager and gave him the green light to make terrible decisions, but the marginal depth players. Man, if this place wasn’t already a tough sell for potential free agents, this comment certainly cemented it.

...

We’re supposed to trust this guy to lead the ship? This is who’s selecting the next general manager? This is who’s going to surround that general manager with the best staff possible to drag the Oilers out of the mess his last hire created? This is supposed to invoke enough faith in season ticket holders to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to support the Oilers?




This just in on the Nicholson-Rieder scandal! Darren Dreger's twitter has the scoop:

Quote:

Bob Nicholson just spoke with Toby Rieder. He apologized for his comments criticizing Rieder at a season ticket event. Nicholson said he “stepped out of bounds”. Hoping they can all move on.


What an embarassing piece of news that is now league wide.


Rieder is probably gonna be in the dumps now. I bet he doesn't score another goal the rest of this season thanks to Bobby Burgers and his big mouth.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:33

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 11:57

Nicholson made a comment at the season ticket holders meeting about Rieder. Something along the lines that if he scored 15 goals this year we'd likely be a playoff team.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/03/21/report-its-tobias-rieder s-fault-that-the-oilers-arent-a-playoff-team/

Quote:

The really frustrating thing here, though, is how it so clearly indicates that the organization is completely lost. Year after year, it comes down to blame the players. No, not the general manager who put the flawed roster together or the guy at the top who hired that general manager and gave him the green light to make terrible decisions, but the marginal depth players. Man, if this place wasn’t already a tough sell for potential free agents, this comment certainly cemented it.

...

We’re supposed to trust this guy to lead the ship? This is who’s selecting the next general manager? This is who’s going to surround that general manager with the best staff possible to drag the Oilers out of the mess his last hire created? This is supposed to invoke enough faith in season ticket holders to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to support the Oilers?




This just in on the Nicholson-Rieder scandal! Darren Dreger's twitter has the scoop:

Quote:

Bob Nicholson just spoke with Toby Rieder. He apologized for his comments criticizing Rieder at a season ticket event. Nicholson said he “stepped out of bounds”. Hoping they can all move on.


What an embarassing piece of news that is now league wide.

Why can't Bob speak freely at these Tier 1 events? Who is the snitch? I bet it's somebody from the 200's.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:43

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:33

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 11:57

Nicholson made a comment at the season ticket holders meeting about Rieder. Something along the lines that if he scored 15 goals this year we'd likely be a playoff team.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/03/21/report-its-tobias-rieder s-fault-that-the-oilers-arent-a-playoff-team/

Quote:

The really frustrating thing here, though, is how it so clearly indicates that the organization is completely lost. Year after year, it comes down to blame the players. No, not the general manager who put the flawed roster together or the guy at the top who hired that general manager and gave him the green light to make terrible decisions, but the marginal depth players. Man, if this place wasn’t already a tough sell for potential free agents, this comment certainly cemented it.

...

We’re supposed to trust this guy to lead the ship? This is who’s selecting the next general manager? This is who’s going to surround that general manager with the best staff possible to drag the Oilers out of the mess his last hire created? This is supposed to invoke enough faith in season ticket holders to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to support the Oilers?




This just in on the Nicholson-Rieder scandal! Darren Dreger's twitter has the scoop:

Quote:

Bob Nicholson just spoke with Toby Rieder. He apologized for his comments criticizing Rieder at a season ticket event. Nicholson said he “stepped out of bounds”. Hoping they can all move on.


What an embarassing piece of news that is now league wide.

Why can't Bob speak freely at these Tier 1 events? Who is the snitch? I bet it's somebody from the 200's.


So a tier 1-B fan up there in the 200's?

I wonder how many tiers there are, not to mention sub tiers.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:33

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 11:57

Nicholson made a comment at the season ticket holders meeting about Rieder. Something along the lines that if he scored 15 goals this year we'd likely be a playoff team.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/03/21/report-its-tobias-rieder s-fault-that-the-oilers-arent-a-playoff-team/

Quote:

The really frustrating thing here, though, is how it so clearly indicates that the organization is completely lost. Year after year, it comes down to blame the players. No, not the general manager who put the flawed roster together or the guy at the top who hired that general manager and gave him the green light to make terrible decisions, but the marginal depth players. Man, if this place wasn’t already a tough sell for potential free agents, this comment certainly cemented it.

...

We’re supposed to trust this guy to lead the ship? This is who’s selecting the next general manager? This is who’s going to surround that general manager with the best staff possible to drag the Oilers out of the mess his last hire created? This is supposed to invoke enough faith in season ticket holders to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to support the Oilers?




This just in on the Nicholson-Rieder scandal! Darren Dreger's twitter has the scoop:

Quote:

Bob Nicholson just spoke with Toby Rieder. He apologized for his comments criticizing Rieder at a season ticket event. Nicholson said he “stepped out of bounds”. Hoping they can all move on.


What an embarassing piece of news that is now league wide.


From @BruceMcCurdy

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Nicholson has already spoken for his next GM? Rieder is not allowed to be signed again apparently.

[Updated on: Thu, 21 March 2019 17:45]


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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:43



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They can't really believe they were 10-12 goals away from making the playoffs right? They're currently on pace to finish -43 in goal differential. Like nobody that works professionally in any sort of capacity for an NHL team thinks that a team that is -30 in goal differential is a playoff contender, right? Right?



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18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
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Goose wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 17:53

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 16:43



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They can't really believe they were 10-12 goals away from making the playoffs right? They're currently on pace to finish -43 in goal differential. Like nobody that works professionally in any sort of capacity for an NHL team thinks that a team that is -30 in goal differential is a playoff contender, right? Right?


I think Bobby Burgers is actually kind of an a-hole. It's just straight up scapegoating. Seems to be a reflex for him because he did the same whenever he talked about Talbot last summer.

We're so screwed :)



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 17:43


Nicholson has already spoken for his next GM? Rieder is not allowed to be signed again apparently.

haha good point. Its almost like he already knows who the GM will be and has talked to him regularly for the last 3 years.



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 15:33



This just in on the Nicholson-Rieder scandal! Darren Dreger's twitter has the scoop:

Quote:

Bob Nicholson just spoke with Toby Rieder. He apologized for his comments criticizing Rieder at a season ticket event. Nicholson said he “stepped out of bounds”. Hoping they can all move on.


What an embarassing piece of news that is now league wide.


Seriously embarrassing. This is like the President of company standing up and saying, "look, I know we've been really garbage for over a decade, but if Greg in accounting had not let us down, we would have had a really successful year. Also, Greg, you're fired.".



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17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Just to add my two cents: I think what is lost in all this is that our far and away second best player; Leon Draisaitl, is good friends and shares nationality/language with the guy the boss just scapegoated. Also our franchise player; Connor McDavid, has chemistry with Leon. Why would you even think to risk pissing off Leon and risk taking away the one thing this organization has?


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Xombie wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 17:31

Just to add my two cents: I think what is lost in all this is that our far and away second best player; Leon Draisaitl, is good friends and shares nationality/language with the guy the boss just scapegoated. Also our franchise player; Connor McDavid, has chemistry with Leon. Why would you even think to risk pissing off Leon and risk taking away the one thing this organization has?


Because they never think 2 or 3 or 4 steps ahead. Which is why we're in the pickle that we are.

For example, signing Lucic to a long contract just to show other UFAs we can get the most sought after player so others will come too.

For example, trading away good players because we have a rookie in the system that they think they can do the job for cheaper.

For example, re-signing a still unproven goalie to a starter contract.



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nullterm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 19:11

For example, trading away good players because we have a rookie in the system that they think they can do the job for cheaper.

This isn't necessarily a bad idea as long as the GM is good at gauging talent. Stan Bowman has been doing this for years with the Hawks, and they managed to keep winning Cups. Granted, he never #@@$ed with the core of Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith, and Crawford during most of that time.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 20:35

nullterm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 19:11

For example, trading away good players because we have a rookie in the system that they think they can do the job for cheaper.

This isn't necessarily a bad idea as long as the GM is good at gauging talent. Stan Bowman has been doing this for years with the Hawks, and they managed to keep winning Cups. Granted, he never #@@$ed with the core of Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith, and Crawford during most of that time.

They clearly can’t judge talent though. Nor do they wait until the rookie has had a time in the AHL to mature and enough NHL time to prove they can replace the guy ahead of them. Even if they can’t properly scout their own players to project them, they should be patient to see what they are in NHL games. That’s something anyone with half a brain can do.



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nullterm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 23:20

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 20:35

nullterm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 19:11

For example, trading away good players because we have a rookie in the system that they think they can do the job for cheaper.

This isn't necessarily a bad idea as long as the GM is good at gauging talent. Stan Bowman has been doing this for years with the Hawks, and they managed to keep winning Cups. Granted, he never #@@$ed with the core of Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith, and Crawford during most of that time.

They clearly can’t judge talent though. Nor do they wait until the rookie has had a time in the AHL to mature and enough NHL time to prove they can replace the guy ahead of them. Even if they can’t properly scout their own players to project them, they should be patient to see what they are in NHL games. That’s something anyone with half a brain can do.


Not to mention, you don't win with a single good puck-moving defenceman, and yet we've seen that logic again and again...we have Gilbert, so we don't really need Souray anyhow. Hey - Petry's had 20 really good games...let's swap Gilbert for a slow defensive guy with no offence! You know what, the last 25 games it looks like Klefbom might be able to be an impact guy at the NHL level, so who needs Jeff Petry!

I still think it's just dumb luck that Klefbom had surgery last year or he would have been dealt too and we'd have heard the logic that Bear looked pretty good in some of his recall...



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 21:35

nullterm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 19:11

For example, trading away good players because we have a rookie in the system that they think they can do the job for cheaper.

This isn't necessarily a bad idea as long as the GM is good at gauging talent. Stan Bowman has been doing this for years with the Hawks, and they managed to keep winning Cups. Granted, he never #@@$ed with the core of Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith, and Crawford during most of that time.


It caught up to the Blackhawks though.

They've still done a decent job with player acquisition from outside the NHL (Panarin, DeBrincat), but on the actual NHL trade front, Bowman's struggled. The first Saad trade wasn't very good - Columbus got the best player and no one else really made a great impact (although to be fair, they still have Anisimov), and then in the Panarin trade, well, that was a disaster. It's hard to believe that the Blackhawks - knowing both players well - actually believed that was a fair deal...you have to think that they believed Kane was responsible for Panarin's numbers...which has turned out not to be so.

There's a pretty good argument to be made that if Bowman had decided he could let someone like Seabrook go, then they'd have been in a better position to keep Panarin and still have someone like DeBrincat on the roster giving them a couple of pretty solid lines.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 23 March 2019 08:31

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 21:35

nullterm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 19:11

For example, trading away good players because we have a rookie in the system that they think they can do the job for cheaper.

This isn't necessarily a bad idea as long as the GM is good at gauging talent. Stan Bowman has been doing this for years with the Hawks, and they managed to keep winning Cups. Granted, he never #@@$ed with the core of Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith, and Crawford during most of that time.


It caught up to the Blackhawks though.

They've still done a decent job with player acquisition from outside the NHL (Panarin, DeBrincat), but on the actual NHL trade front, Bowman's struggled. The first Saad trade wasn't very good - Columbus got the best player and no one else really made a great impact (although to be fair, they still have Anisimov), and then in the Panarin trade, well, that was a disaster. It's hard to believe that the Blackhawks - knowing both players well - actually believed that was a fair deal...you have to think that they believed Kane was responsible for Panarin's numbers...which has turned out not to be so.

There's a pretty good argument to be made that if Bowman had decided he could let someone like Seabrook go, then they'd have been in a better position to keep Panarin and still have someone like DeBrincat on the roster giving them a couple of pretty solid lines.

Of course it caught up to the Hawks, but they still have 3 Cups to show for it. The Oil tried the same approach without having anyone who had the slightest inkling on how to evaluate player talent, and now it's caught up to them after a failure to achieve anything other than 1 trip to the playoffs. God, this is painful.



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This club is a god damn disaster. Nicholson was considered the beacon of respectability in the organization - lending credibility where there previously was none. Between the CBC interview and his big mouth this week, it’s clear the emperor has no clothes. This team goes nowhere with him at the helm. We’ll need to see another GM hired, fail, and be fired before this out-of-touch dinosaur is gone. What’s the playoff projection now, 2024?


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JPro wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 17:42

This club is a god damn disaster. Nicholson was considered the beacon of respectability in the organization - lending credibility where there previously was none. Between the CBC interview and his big mouth this week, it’s clear the emperor has no clothes. This team goes nowhere with him at the helm. We’ll need to see another GM hired, fail, and be fired before this out-of-touch dinosaur is gone. What’s the playoff projection now, 2024?


Bobby is nothing more than a (attempted) fan friendly figurehead face to the fans in front of Katz/Lowe/MacT/Howson/etc. I say that because even under Nicholson’s time the Oilers still match the pattern of how they operate that they have for the last dozen years.



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JPro wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 17:42

This club is a god damn disaster. Nicholson was considered the beacon of respectability in the organization - lending credibility where there previously was none. Between the CBC interview and his big mouth this week, it’s clear the emperor has no clothes. This team goes nowhere with him at the helm. We’ll need to see another GM hired, fail, and be fired before this out-of-touch dinosaur is gone. What’s the playoff projection now, 2024?


Bobby is nothing more than a (attempted) fan friendly figurehead face to the fans in front of Katz/Lowe/MacT/Howson/etc. I say that because even under Nicholson’s time the Oilers still match the pattern of how they operate that they have for the last dozen years.

Yep. The problem is Nicholson was hand picked by...guess who? I mean he absolutely fits the culture.



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Any guesses what McDavid is saying to himself today?

Here’s my guess:

“Oh boy. This is actually going to get worse here.”

I’m highly doubting any season ticket holders walked away from that town hall feeling there is going to finally be accountability in the organization. Just an indication it’s even worse than they thought yesterday.

This crap is starting to excite me. How dumb can it get? Intriguing.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:51

Any guesses what McDavid is saying to himself today?

Here’s my guess:

“Oh boy. This is actually going to get worse here.”

I’m highly doubting any season ticket holders walked away from that town hall feeling there is going to finally be accountability in the organization. Just an indication it’s even worse than they thought yesterday.

This crap is starting to excite me. How dumb can it get? Intriguing.

How much longer does he put up with the inadequacies?



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2.2020/2021 Season 15 / 63%
3.2021/2022 Season 2 / 8%
4.Later 1 / 4%
5.Never! He’s a good Canadian boy and will go down with the ship! 4 / 17%


I think it’s happening. I can’t imagine the support system in his life will sit idly by while he wastes the best years of what could be an incredible career.



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JPro wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:57


I think it’s happening. I can’t imagine the support system in his life will sit idly by while he wastes the best years of what could be an incredible career.


The Oilers will try to blame him. I absolutely will not.

I will just be heartbroken and probably over the Oilers for good.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 21:53

JPro wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:57


I think it’s happening. I can’t imagine the support system in his life will sit idly by while he wastes the best years of what could be an incredible career.


The Oilers will try to blame him. I absolutely will not.

I will just be heartbroken and probably over the Oilers for good.

If the OBC even try to point fingers at Connor should he leave, I will be done with this team for good too. Hell, I'm ready to quit them now unless those @#%!@#'s finally get the boot.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:51

Any guesses what McDavid is saying to himself today?

Here’s my guess:

“Oh boy. This is actually going to get worse here.”

I’m highly doubting any season ticket holders walked away from that town hall feeling there is going to finally be accountability in the organization. Just an indication it’s even worse than they thought yesterday.

This crap is starting to excite me. How dumb can it get? Intriguing.


I dunno. I bet most of those ticket holders went home satisfied that that jerk Rieder that ruined the season won't be back next year :)



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:58

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:51

Any guesses what McDavid is saying to himself today?

Here’s my guess:

“Oh boy. This is actually going to get worse here.”

I’m highly doubting any season ticket holders walked away from that town hall feeling there is going to finally be accountability in the organization. Just an indication it’s even worse than they thought yesterday.

This crap is starting to excite me. How dumb can it get? Intriguing.


I dunno. I bet most of those ticket holders went home satisfied that that jerk Rieder that ruined the season won't be back next year :)

Yes. Finally a solution.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:58

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:51

Any guesses what McDavid is saying to himself today?

Here’s my guess:

“Oh boy. This is actually going to get worse here.”

I’m highly doubting any season ticket holders walked away from that town hall feeling there is going to finally be accountability in the organization. Just an indication it’s even worse than they thought yesterday.

This crap is starting to excite me. How dumb can it get? Intriguing.


I dunno. I bet most of those ticket holders went home satisfied that that jerk Rieder that ruined the season won't be back next year :)

Guys I looked into it and Rieder scored zero goals for the Oilers in the other years we missed the playoffs too. This goes way deeper than we thought.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 21:48

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:58

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 March 2019 18:51

Any guesses what McDavid is saying to himself today?

Here’s my guess:

“Oh boy. This is actually going to get worse here.”

I’m highly doubting any season ticket holders walked away from that town hall feeling there is going to finally be accountability in the organization. Just an indication it’s even worse than they thought yesterday.

This crap is starting to excite me. How dumb can it get? Intriguing.


I dunno. I bet most of those ticket holders went home satisfied that that jerk Rieder that ruined the season won't be back next year :)

Guys I looked into it and Rieder scored zero goals for the Oilers in the other years we missed the playoffs too. This goes way deeper than we thought.


Does that mean we have to do something...real bad...to Rieder? Damn guy is just gonna keep cursing this org until he's gone?

Just noticed that Rieder has been playing in north america since 2010. This checks out, that's when this team was supposed to start getting better with 1st overall picks, and it just hasn't happened yet. We finally know why.



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Seriously. That type of damning comment has the potential to kill not only a dressing room but any chance of serviceable players wanting to come here via FA or waiving trade clauses. It’s truly idiotic.

Good for Tobias’ agent coming out and blasting Bob. The comment was garbage, even though we’ve all discussed at length how he hasn’t scored.

You’re part of the problem Bob. In fact, you may be worse than the OBC after that comment. Truly astonishing that a man in such a power seat, and he isn’t new to ‘power’ either from his HC day’s.

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 06:53

#FireBurgerBob

Seriously. That type of damning comment has the potential to kill not only a dressing room but any chance of serviceable players wanting to come here via FA or waiving trade clauses. It’s truly idiotic.

Good for Tobias’ agent coming out and blasting Bob. The comment was garbage, even though we’ve all discussed at length how he hasn’t scored.

You’re part of the problem Bob. In fact, you may be worse than the OBC after that comment. Truly astonishing that a man in such a power seat, and he isn’t new to ‘power’ either from his HC day’s.

Do ya’self and all of us a favour and vamoose.

Didn’t realize his agent spoke out. Here is the statement.

"I am totally astonished and disappointed that the president of an NHL team can make such a callous and reckless statement about a player," Farris told TSN's Ryan Rishaug. "This is unacceptable.”

Tobias wouldn’t comment after last nights game, but apparently Rieder is going to speak about it today.



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g2k wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 07:07

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 06:53

#FireBurgerBob

Seriously. That type of damning comment has the potential to kill not only a dressing room but any chance of serviceable players wanting to come here via FA or waiving trade clauses. It’s truly idiotic.

Good for Tobias’ agent coming out and blasting Bob. The comment was garbage, even though we’ve all discussed at length how he hasn’t scored.

You’re part of the problem Bob. In fact, you may be worse than the OBC after that comment. Truly astonishing that a man in such a power seat, and he isn’t new to ‘power’ either from his HC day’s.

Do ya’self and all of us a favour and vamoose.

Didn’t realize his agent spoke out. Here is the statement.

"I am totally astonished and disappointed that the president of an NHL team can make such a callous and reckless statement about a player," Farris told TSN's Ryan Rishaug. "This is unacceptable.”

Tobias wouldn’t comment after last nights game, but apparently Rieder is going to speak about it today.


It was totally uncalled for. I mean okay, sure the guy hasn’t lived up to the expectations we had when he came on board. The same thing can be said about anyone outside of 97, 29 and 93. Seriously. What about Lucic??? He comes in year 1, produces and we make playoffs. Last year? Ppppfftt. He was FORCE FED Minutes with Connor just to “get him out of the funk” bc he hadn’t scored in months. Lucic doesn’t produce, the Oilers don’t make the playoffs. This year, Lucic has been on a milk carton more than the score sheet and we don’t make playoffs. Has Tobias been played on Connor’s wing at all??

For Bob to single out Rieder is 100% ridiculously stupid on his part.

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019


You’re part of the problem Bob. In fact, you may be worse than the OBC after that comment. Truly astonishing that a man in such a power seat, and he isn’t new to ‘power’ either from his HC day’s.



The comment is bad, but it's pretty much par for the course for this organization. Adam has talked many times about coaches and GMs throwing players under the bus and wanting someone who will actually come in and defend the players in the media no matter what.

From MacT and "if you have to ask the question", to Eakins saying the players dont know how to play basic defence, this type of comment is part of a consistent pattern and one of the reasons the team has been junk since Katz got here, and something that Katz could put an end to with one memo.



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Goose wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 08:00

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019


You’re part of the problem Bob. In fact, you may be worse than the OBC after that comment. Truly astonishing that a man in such a power seat, and he isn’t new to ‘power’ either from his HC day’s.



The comment is bad, but it's pretty much par for the course for this organization. Adam has talked many times about coaches and GMs throwing players under the bus and wanting someone who will actually come in and defend the players in the media no matter what.

From MacT and "if you have to ask the question", to Eakins saying the players dont know how to play basic defence, this type of comment is part of a consistent pattern and one of the reasons the team has been junk since Katz got here, and something that Katz could put an end to with one memo.


You’re absolutely right. It’s not a secluded incident, as they’ve been running players out of town for years (can we say decades yet?).

How much are we betting Tobias Rieder goes somewhere in the Pacific next season and absolutely torches the Oilers 5 times next year?



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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 08:03

Goose wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 08:00

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019


You’re part of the problem Bob. In fact, you may be worse than the OBC after that comment. Truly astonishing that a man in such a power seat, and he isn’t new to ‘power’ either from his HC day’s.



The comment is bad, but it's pretty much par for the course for this organization. Adam has talked many times about coaches and GMs throwing players under the bus and wanting someone who will actually come in and defend the players in the media no matter what.

From MacT and "if you have to ask the question", to Eakins saying the players dont know how to play basic defence, this type of comment is part of a consistent pattern and one of the reasons the team has been junk since Katz got here, and something that Katz could put an end to with one memo.


You’re absolutely right. It’s not a secluded incident, as they’ve been running players out of town for years (can we say decades yet?).

How much are we betting Tobias Rieder goes somewhere in the Pacific next season and absolutely torches the Oilers 5 times next year?

The worst part is it was a totally unnecessary statement. "Tobias came to Edmonton in great shape and working really hard. He had some bad luck at the start of the year and it spiraled". Easy. "We haven't started interviewing GMs yet so we're certainly not at the point where we've decided on what contract offers will look like" Easy. These people simply aren't good at their jobs.



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A few things about the Tobias comments:

A)If the Oilers actually think they are 10-12 goals away from being a playoff team they are out of touch with any reality.
B) If they believe A then Tobias should be our saviour as they got rid of Chia and MacT because of Tobias lack of 10-12 goals that would "probably make us in the playoffs". If we are in the playoffs Chia would still be here.... obviously 10-12 goals doesn't get us there....
C) He's already speaking for the new GM. We will not be signing him.... okay I guess the new GM won't make that decision
D) Comments like this from Bob's position are terrible optics for any player thinking of signing here, why would you sign here...



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McDavid97 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 09:17

A few things about the Tobias comments:

A)If the Oilers actually think they are 10-12 goals away from being a playoff team they are out of touch with any reality.
B) If they believe A then Tobias should be our saviour as they got rid of Chia and MacT because of Tobias lack of 10-12 goals that would "probably make us in the playoffs". If we are in the playoffs Chia would still be here.... obviously 10-12 goals doesn't get us there....
C) He's already speaking for the new GM. We will not be signing him.... okay I guess the new GM won't make that decision
D) Comments like this from Bob's position are terrible optics for any player thinking of signing here, why would you sign here...

Exactly! And no amount of ‘damage control’ will be able to repair that anytime soon. Bad enough it was tough for the Oilers to attract talent as it was. But now there’s this to contend with.



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Also lost in this is they expected Toby Rieder to have 15 goals, but I highly doubt they expected Chiasson to have 20. Kind of a wash isn't it?


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smyth260 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 09:32

Also lost in this is they expected Toby Rieder to have 15 goals, but I highly doubt they expected Chiasson to have 20. Kind of a wash isn't it?

I wonder if they expected Drai to be pushing 50.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 09:35

smyth260 wrote on Fri, 22 March 2019 09:32

Also lost in this is they expected Toby Rieder to have 15 goals, but I highly doubt they expected Chiasson to have 20. Kind of a wash isn't it?

I wonder if they expected Drai to be pushing 50.


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