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 Hypothetical ‘BIG’ trade... [message #726630]
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Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.



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Don't make anymore moves with this bunch of arseholes leading. Wait for an enema up top this spring and try next year. Hamilton isn't the answer. He didn't help Calgary that much. Plus since he was a Boston guy whom I believe Chia drafted that's an extra 2 strikes against him. JP will be a good player when he matures a little bit.

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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk



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Have read that the Canes would want pieces for ‘now and in the future’ which I think my proposed package, including JP, would fit. JP also has history with Aho which could be attractive to the Hurricanes.

Ferland has had a solid offensive season, even with his time missed due to concussion. He can play heavy and quick on top of having a knack for the net.

I think in Hamilton, you have a guy that’s pretty reserved which doesn’t tend to fit many leadership groups. But in Edmonton, you have Conner who is rather reserved himself. Hamilton could be a fit in the Oilers locker room.




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Why would the Canes want Lucic and Spooner/Manning though? They're negative value at this point. Suspect you'd have to throw a hell of a lot more in the pot than just JP & a 3rd to get rid of those albatross contracts.


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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:12

Why would the Canes want Lucic and Spooner/Manning though? They're negative value at this point. Suspect you'd have to throw a hell of a lot more in the pot than just JP & a 3rd to get rid of those albatross contracts.

If the Oilers offered you Lucic and Drai for a 7th round pick, do you take it?



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:12

Why would the Canes want Lucic and Spooner/Manning though? They're negative value at this point. Suspect you'd have to throw a hell of a lot more in the pot than just JP & a 3rd to get rid of those albatross contracts.


I don't think you get greedy. If you get 2 passable players back and you can unload Lucic, you do it. It might cost you a good prospect on an ELC, but you have to have even dollars....and you just can't have a 4th liner with zero offence and picks his spots on the rest of his capabilities at 6 mil and 4 more years after this one. Chia just simply shouldn't be still at the helm to make this kind of deal, but this has been rehashed ad nauseum.

There's got to be more negativity coming back to Edmonton if there's that much going the other way, although both Manning and Spooner are on contracts that expire at the end of next season. Hamilton could be sort of a weird duck, but 4 more years Milan Lucic on a roster already up against the cap? Untenable. Maybe a non-cap team in a rebuild can do this, but a cap team in perpetual rebuild can't.

3rd rd pick, a 5th here, a 1st there, all these picks for guys who are no longer here or don't improve this team.....what does a list of Peter Chiarelli traded draft picks for non-NHL'ers look like these days, anyway?



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Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?


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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...

Right... Spooners are a dime a dozen



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

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CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 08:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.



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-Kevin Lowe, April 2013


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol



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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 20:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol


Was always posting rumours from a "source" that he had.
In the end he fessed up that he was doing some kind of study about human behaviour and that he'd fabricated every single rumour in order to spark debate and give him source material for his "research."
At least, that's how I remember it going down anyway.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 18:40

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 20:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol


Was always posting rumours from a "source" that he had.
In the end he fessed up that he was doing some kind of study about human behaviour and that he'd fabricated every single rumour in order to spark debate and give him source material for his "research."
At least, that's how I remember it going down anyway.



Yeah, he says that in the thread. Bet it was actually nailed by one of the guys in that thread that he was just making that up to save face, and in a lame way put himself above everyone that was calling him out on his bullcrap when he went on a run of being wrong on a bunch of stuff. "I'm not a liar! I was experimenting on you suckers! haha, you were just my pawns!"

Pretty crap study even if it was true.



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"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 19:20

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 18:40

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 20:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol


Was always posting rumours from a "source" that he had.
In the end he fessed up that he was doing some kind of study about human behaviour and that he'd fabricated every single rumour in order to spark debate and give him source material for his "research."
At least, that's how I remember it going down anyway.



Yeah, he says that in the thread. Bet it was actually nailed by one of the guys in that thread that he was just making that up to save face, and in a lame way put himself above everyone that was calling him out on his bullcrap when he went on a run of being wrong on a bunch of stuff. "I'm not a liar! I was experimenting on you suckers! haha, you were just my pawns!"

Pretty crap study even if it was true.


Being a self-proclaimed manipulator on an anonymous message board is pretty damned lame.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!

I wonder how much of any decisions being made are because the scouts aren't doing a good enough job or the guy in charge isn't taking their advice? Supposedly in the Yakupov draft year. Most of the Oilers scouts said NO WAY to him, yet the GM overruled them. It's probably a combination of both.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!

I wonder how much of any decisions being made are because the scouts aren't doing a good enough job or the guy in charge isn't taking their advice? Supposedly in the Yakupov draft year. Most of the Oilers scouts said NO WAY to him, yet the GM overruled them. It's probably a combination of both.


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!

I wonder how much of any decisions being made are because the scouts aren't doing a good enough job or the guy in charge isn't taking their advice? Supposedly in the Yakupov draft year. Most of the Oilers scouts said NO WAY to him, yet the GM overruled them. It's probably a combination of both.


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

When you think about it, they are very similar industries. One collects hockey card while the other collects barbie dolls.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.


Hard to know what was true and what is just hindsight and rumours around the 2012 draft. I'm sure there were some that didn't want Yakupov, but we also heard rumour that there was a contingent of the Oilers scouts who wanted Reinhart with the #1 pick, so how much credit are we giving here? And you're definitely right - Murray would be dismissed as a bust too had we picked him. That was a tough draft, and I think the Oilers did the right thing picking the consensus guy...I have long criticized the Oilers for thinking they're smarter than everyone else and going off the board, so I prefer them taking the most obvious course of action in times like this. It just didn't work out that time.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 10:29

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.


Hard to know what was true and what is just hindsight and rumours around the 2012 draft. I'm sure there were some that didn't want Yakupov, but we also heard rumour that there was a contingent of the Oilers scouts who wanted Reinhart with the #1 pick, so how much credit are we giving here? And you're definitely right - Murray would be dismissed as a bust too had we picked him. That was a tough draft, and I think the Oilers did the right thing picking the consensus guy...I have long criticized the Oilers for thinking they're smarter than everyone else and going off the board, so I prefer them taking the most obvious course of action in times like this. It just didn't work out that time.


Agreed with not going off the board in 2012. I just remember them sitting there at the draft table "on the clock" running it down before going up to the podium. That was not a good look, and most definitely insinuated there was not a clear cut decision made. Even if everyone didn't agree on Yak, it didn't look good on them to make it so obvious to the rest of the world and especially Yak himself.



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jds308 wrote on Thu, 10 January 2019 18:05

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.


Hard to know what was true and what is just hindsight and rumours around the 2012 draft. I'm sure there were some that didn't want Yakupov, but we also heard rumour that there was a contingent of the Oilers scouts who wanted Reinhart with the #1 pick, so how much credit are we giving here? And you're definitely right - Murray would be dismissed as a bust too had we picked him. That was a tough draft, and I think the Oilers did the right thing picking the consensus guy...I have long criticized the Oilers for thinking they're smarter than everyone else and going off the board, so I prefer them taking the most obvious course of action in times like this. It just didn't work out that time.


Agreed with not going off the board in 2012. I just remember them sitting there at the draft table "on the clock" running it down before going up to the podium. That was not a good look, and most definitely insinuated there was not a clear cut decision made. Even if everyone didn't agree on Yak, it didn't look good on them to make it so obvious to the rest of the world and especially Yak himself.


Let's not forget that Yak won the rookie scoring race in 2013 under Krueger. (and Justin Schultz tied for 5th). They made the right pick. In hindsight Reilly, Lindholm, Trouba, Forsberg and Vasilevsky are all much better players, but none of those guys was ever going #1. It was Yakupov or Murray, and how do you not pick the consensus #1?



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved



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vagabond wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 08:33

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved


Dougie seems to have exploded in the 2nd half of the year after a poor 1st half. Ends with a career high 18 goals. 2G 2A in the playoffs in 4 games now.

I imagine they will try to dump Faulk if they want to save money. Faulk's cap hit is lower, but his real salary is the same as Hamilton next year.

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 11:22

vagabond wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 08:33

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved


Dougie seems to have exploded in the 2nd half of the year after a poor 1st half. Ends with a career high 18 goals. 2G 2A in the playoffs in 4 games now.

I imagine they will try to dump Faulk if they want to save money. Faulk's cap hit is lower, but his real salary is the same as Hamilton next year.


Leaf fans figure Nylander is going there for a young dman. The only defenseman leaving Carolina is Faulk.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 11:22

vagabond wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 08:33

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved


Dougie seems to have exploded in the 2nd half of the year after a poor 1st half. Ends with a career high 18 goals. 2G 2A in the playoffs in 4 games now.

I imagine they will try to dump Faulk if they want to save money. Faulk's cap hit is lower, but his real salary is the same as Hamilton next year.


The amazing thing is that all anyone seems to want to talk about with Hamilton is the play against Ovechkin yesterday.

It's interesting how certain players just get defined by their worst highlights, no matter what else they bring to the game.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 21 April 2019 22:31

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 11:22

vagabond wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 08:33

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved


Dougie seems to have exploded in the 2nd half of the year after a poor 1st half. Ends with a career high 18 goals. 2G 2A in the playoffs in 4 games now.

I imagine they will try to dump Faulk if they want to save money. Faulk's cap hit is lower, but his real salary is the same as Hamilton next year.


The amazing thing is that all anyone seems to want to talk about with Hamilton is the play against Ovechkin yesterday.

It's interesting how certain players just get defined by their worst highlights, no matter what else they bring to the game.


That's the life of a defenceman. 99 good plays, but the 1 brain fart ends up on the highlight reel of the year list. It wouldn't be a highlight if someone didn't get burnt, and even the best do.

Hopefully your team is run by the guy who recognizes the 99 good plays and doesn't throw away good Dmen (Petry) for the 1 bad one.



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nullterm wrote on Mon, 22 April 2019 02:18

Adam wrote on Sun, 21 April 2019 22:31

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 11:22

vagabond wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 08:33

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved


Dougie seems to have exploded in the 2nd half of the year after a poor 1st half. Ends with a career high 18 goals. 2G 2A in the playoffs in 4 games now.

I imagine they will try to dump Faulk if they want to save money. Faulk's cap hit is lower, but his real salary is the same as Hamilton next year.


The amazing thing is that all anyone seems to want to talk about with Hamilton is the play against Ovechkin yesterday.

It's interesting how certain players just get defined by their worst highlights, no matter what else they bring to the game.


That's the life of a defenceman. 99 good plays, but the 1 brain fart ends up on the highlight reel of the year list. It wouldn't be a highlight if someone didn't get burnt, and even the best do.

Hopefully your team is run by the guy who recognizes the 99 good plays and doesn't throw away good Dmen (Petry) for the 1 bad one.


But Datsyuk walked him! Surely that means he's only worth a 2nd and a 4th!




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Adam wrote on Mon, 22 April 2019 08:24

nullterm wrote on Mon, 22 April 2019 02:18

Adam wrote on Sun, 21 April 2019 22:31

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 11:22

vagabond wrote on Sat, 20 April 2019 08:33

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?



Canes say no and a few others. Lucic;s contract is that bad. Reports are the Canes have a built in cap. The canes have the lowest payroll as per the owners instructions. This is reportedly one reason Dougie maybe moved


Dougie seems to have exploded in the 2nd half of the year after a poor 1st half. Ends with a career high 18 goals. 2G 2A in the playoffs in 4 games now.

I imagine they will try to dump Faulk if they want to save money. Faulk's cap hit is lower, but his real salary is the same as Hamilton next year.


The amazing thing is that all anyone seems to want to talk about with Hamilton is the play against Ovechkin yesterday.

It's interesting how certain players just get defined by their worst highlights, no matter what else they bring to the game.


That's the life of a defenceman. 99 good plays, but the 1 brain fart ends up on the highlight reel of the year list. It wouldn't be a highlight if someone didn't get burnt, and even the best do.

Hopefully your team is run by the guy who recognizes the 99 good plays and doesn't throw away good Dmen (Petry) for the 1 bad one.


But Datsyuk walked him! Surely that means he's only worth a 2nd and a 4th!



I remember thinking “well it was Datsyuk, what can you do?”



You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 22 April 2019 08:45



But Datsyuk walked him! Surely that means he's only worth a 2nd and a 4th!



I remember thinking “well it was Datsyuk, what can you do?”[/quote]

Sadly, I think even on this site there was a lot of "trade that bum immediately!" comments.

But yeah, it was Datsyuk at full flight. It's going to happen. You wonder if Ray Bourque was an Oiler when that famous Lemieux deke happened if a certain subsection of Oilers fans wouldn't have wanted him immediately shipped off for spare parts too...



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Do that deal in a heartbeat.

If Waddell is willing to do that deal then he automatically takes the mantle of worst GM from Chiarelli.



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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.

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