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 Hypothetical ‘BIG’ trade... [message #726630]
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Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.



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Don't make anymore moves with this bunch of arseholes leading. Wait for an enema up top this spring and try next year. Hamilton isn't the answer. He didn't help Calgary that much. Plus since he was a Boston guy whom I believe Chia drafted that's an extra 2 strikes against him. JP will be a good player when he matures a little bit.

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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk



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Have read that the Canes would want pieces for ‘now and in the future’ which I think my proposed package, including JP, would fit. JP also has history with Aho which could be attractive to the Hurricanes.

Ferland has had a solid offensive season, even with his time missed due to concussion. He can play heavy and quick on top of having a knack for the net.

I think in Hamilton, you have a guy that’s pretty reserved which doesn’t tend to fit many leadership groups. But in Edmonton, you have Conner who is rather reserved himself. Hamilton could be a fit in the Oilers locker room.




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Why would the Canes want Lucic and Spooner/Manning though? They're negative value at this point. Suspect you'd have to throw a hell of a lot more in the pot than just JP & a 3rd to get rid of those albatross contracts.


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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:12

Why would the Canes want Lucic and Spooner/Manning though? They're negative value at this point. Suspect you'd have to throw a hell of a lot more in the pot than just JP & a 3rd to get rid of those albatross contracts.

If the Oilers offered you Lucic and Drai for a 7th round pick, do you take it?



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:12

Why would the Canes want Lucic and Spooner/Manning though? They're negative value at this point. Suspect you'd have to throw a hell of a lot more in the pot than just JP & a 3rd to get rid of those albatross contracts.


I don't think you get greedy. If you get 2 passable players back and you can unload Lucic, you do it. It might cost you a good prospect on an ELC, but you have to have even dollars....and you just can't have a 4th liner with zero offence and picks his spots on the rest of his capabilities at 6 mil and 4 more years after this one. Chia just simply shouldn't be still at the helm to make this kind of deal, but this has been rehashed ad nauseum.

There's got to be more negativity coming back to Edmonton if there's that much going the other way, although both Manning and Spooner are on contracts that expire at the end of next season. Hamilton could be sort of a weird duck, but 4 more years Milan Lucic on a roster already up against the cap? Untenable. Maybe a non-cap team in a rebuild can do this, but a cap team in perpetual rebuild can't.

3rd rd pick, a 5th here, a 1st there, all these picks for guys who are no longer here or don't improve this team.....what does a list of Peter Chiarelli traded draft picks for non-NHL'ers look like these days, anyway?



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Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?


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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...

Right... Spooners are a dime a dozen



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 08:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.



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-Kevin Lowe, April 2013


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol



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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 20:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol


Was always posting rumours from a "source" that he had.
In the end he fessed up that he was doing some kind of study about human behaviour and that he'd fabricated every single rumour in order to spark debate and give him source material for his "research."
At least, that's how I remember it going down anyway.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 18:40

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 20:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol


Was always posting rumours from a "source" that he had.
In the end he fessed up that he was doing some kind of study about human behaviour and that he'd fabricated every single rumour in order to spark debate and give him source material for his "research."
At least, that's how I remember it going down anyway.



Yeah, he says that in the thread. Bet it was actually nailed by one of the guys in that thread that he was just making that up to save face, and in a lame way put himself above everyone that was calling him out on his bullcrap when he went on a run of being wrong on a bunch of stuff. "I'm not a liar! I was experimenting on you suckers! haha, you were just my pawns!"

Pretty crap study even if it was true.



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"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 19:20

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 18:40

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 20:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:45

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:56

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:51

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 23:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!


There’s the problem, Jonah Hill is a scout for the Oilers

Eklund's brother too. It's probably Touchstone.


Touchstone is still one of the best/worst/craziest things I have seen around here.

I could be wrong but I think that event was what led to me finally creating an account here after years of lurking.
He took his confession to the OT board that I couldnt see without a login.



Geez, you guys have good memories, thankfully those posts have survived on here:

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=tree&th=27421&m id=344890&rid=77&SQ=505d063c5d60153b94349790fd8ed03b &rev=&reveal=


Only standout thing I can recall is Sundeep :) Probably because I went to a game with him.


Quite the mea culpa from Touchstone....no offense to Touchstone but I don't remember his posts or who TF he was. confused2 Obviously some message board DRAMA, though!!! icon_lol


Was always posting rumours from a "source" that he had.
In the end he fessed up that he was doing some kind of study about human behaviour and that he'd fabricated every single rumour in order to spark debate and give him source material for his "research."
At least, that's how I remember it going down anyway.



Yeah, he says that in the thread. Bet it was actually nailed by one of the guys in that thread that he was just making that up to save face, and in a lame way put himself above everyone that was calling him out on his bullcrap when he went on a run of being wrong on a bunch of stuff. "I'm not a liar! I was experimenting on you suckers! haha, you were just my pawns!"

Pretty crap study even if it was true.


Being a self-proclaimed manipulator on an anonymous message board is pretty damned lame.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!

I wonder how much of any decisions being made are because the scouts aren't doing a good enough job or the guy in charge isn't taking their advice? Supposedly in the Yakupov draft year. Most of the Oilers scouts said NO WAY to him, yet the GM overruled them. It's probably a combination of both.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!

I wonder how much of any decisions being made are because the scouts aren't doing a good enough job or the guy in charge isn't taking their advice? Supposedly in the Yakupov draft year. Most of the Oilers scouts said NO WAY to him, yet the GM overruled them. It's probably a combination of both.


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:23

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 21:32

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 19:19

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 17:58

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 16:35

Lucic, Puljujarvi and a lottery protected first for Hamilton. Who says no?

I wouldn’t.

But. I think if you’re dealing JP, you need a forward coming back. Just my two cents.

Nah, our forward depth is just fine. The Oilers need D.


Sigh. Need both, sadly.


You're forgetting, our illustrious GM has said wingers are easy to find...


THey are "easier" to find than RH offensive D :)

But, for Chia, everything is basically impossible. Finding a good winger is just Impossible Level 1, instead of Impossible Level 5 for Chia, as he puts us up against the cap with a boat load of useless bums, can't negotiate worth a crap, and has the worst group of pro scouts in the league at his disposal.


You don't have faith in this group?

MICHAEL CHIARELLI AMATEUR SCOUT
CHRIS CICHOCKI PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
JIM CROSSON AMATEUR SCOUT
PELLE EKLUND AMATEUR SCOUT
SCOTT HARLOW AMATEUR SCOUT
JOHN HILL AMATEUR SCOUT
MITCH HOLMBERG AMATEUR SCOUT
BRANDON JAY AMATEUR SCOUT
PAUL MESSIER PROFESSIONAL SCOUT
ALEXANDER NAUROV AMATEUR SCOUT
ANDREW SHAW AMATEUR SCOUT
KEITH SULLIVAN AMATEUR SCOUT
MATTI VIRMANEN AMATEUR SCOUT

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/scouting-staff

Only two listed as pro scouts, and one of them is a brother of the Boys on the Bus...

Mike Chiarelli apparently is off the hook - he's an amateur scout!

I wonder how much of any decisions being made are because the scouts aren't doing a good enough job or the guy in charge isn't taking their advice? Supposedly in the Yakupov draft year. Most of the Oilers scouts said NO WAY to him, yet the GM overruled them. It's probably a combination of both.


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

When you think about it, they are very similar industries. One collects hockey card while the other collects barbie dolls.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.


Hard to know what was true and what is just hindsight and rumours around the 2012 draft. I'm sure there were some that didn't want Yakupov, but we also heard rumour that there was a contingent of the Oilers scouts who wanted Reinhart with the #1 pick, so how much credit are we giving here? And you're definitely right - Murray would be dismissed as a bust too had we picked him. That was a tough draft, and I think the Oilers did the right thing picking the consensus guy...I have long criticized the Oilers for thinking they're smarter than everyone else and going off the board, so I prefer them taking the most obvious course of action in times like this. It just didn't work out that time.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 10:29

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 January 2019 09:16


Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.


Hard to know what was true and what is just hindsight and rumours around the 2012 draft. I'm sure there were some that didn't want Yakupov, but we also heard rumour that there was a contingent of the Oilers scouts who wanted Reinhart with the #1 pick, so how much credit are we giving here? And you're definitely right - Murray would be dismissed as a bust too had we picked him. That was a tough draft, and I think the Oilers did the right thing picking the consensus guy...I have long criticized the Oilers for thinking they're smarter than everyone else and going off the board, so I prefer them taking the most obvious course of action in times like this. It just didn't work out that time.


Agreed with not going off the board in 2012. I just remember them sitting there at the draft table "on the clock" running it down before going up to the podium. That was not a good look, and most definitely insinuated there was not a clear cut decision made. Even if everyone didn't agree on Yak, it didn't look good on them to make it so obvious to the rest of the world and especially Yak himself.



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jds308 wrote on Thu, 10 January 2019 18:05

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Wasn't it Katz that overruled everyone? He wanted his shiny mini-OV.

Doubt Katz is veyr involved anymore. He's casting young ladies for B-films, showing them what it takes to make it in hollywood.

Speaking of #2 in that draft. Didn't know Murray is actually having a good season this year. Seems patience is paying off finally with him. But, we likely would have traded him years ago if we took him and let him drown playing too many minutes from day 1 on our team.


Hard to know what was true and what is just hindsight and rumours around the 2012 draft. I'm sure there were some that didn't want Yakupov, but we also heard rumour that there was a contingent of the Oilers scouts who wanted Reinhart with the #1 pick, so how much credit are we giving here? And you're definitely right - Murray would be dismissed as a bust too had we picked him. That was a tough draft, and I think the Oilers did the right thing picking the consensus guy...I have long criticized the Oilers for thinking they're smarter than everyone else and going off the board, so I prefer them taking the most obvious course of action in times like this. It just didn't work out that time.


Agreed with not going off the board in 2012. I just remember them sitting there at the draft table "on the clock" running it down before going up to the podium. That was not a good look, and most definitely insinuated there was not a clear cut decision made. Even if everyone didn't agree on Yak, it didn't look good on them to make it so obvious to the rest of the world and especially Yak himself.


Let's not forget that Yak won the rookie scoring race in 2013 under Krueger. (and Justin Schultz tied for 5th). They made the right pick. In hindsight Reilly, Lindholm, Trouba, Forsberg and Vasilevsky are all much better players, but none of those guys was ever going #1. It was Yakupov or Murray, and how do you not pick the consensus #1?



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Do that deal in a heartbeat.

If Waddell is willing to do that deal then he automatically takes the mantle of worst GM from Chiarelli.



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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.

There has to be more too it than just not wanting to go out and get loaded every night. There are lots of different people both age wise and personality wise on a team. If you have a married guy who's in your late 20's or early 30's with kids, I don't see those guys going out with the 20 yr olds gettting hammered and picking up girls every night. There has to more to him as a person that is toxic to the room than just him not wanting to go for drinks.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:20

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.

There has to be more too it than just not wanting to go out and get loaded every night. There are lots of different people both age wise and personality wise on a team. If you have a married guy who's in your late 20's or early 30's with kids, I don't see those guys going out with the 20 yr olds gettting hammered and picking up girls every night. There has to more to him as a person that is toxic to the room than just him not wanting to go for drinks.


The Dougie smear campaign did seem to include stuff about him skipping out on team events. He does still do his share of charity stuff though.

Dunno. If Chia wanted to get him earlier after knowing him for some years already, he can't be that bad.

Him being on the market now might just be related to his results and how the team is sucking and are probably super embarrassed about that trade.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:20

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 10:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 January 2019 09:41

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:21

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 14:53

Reports a plenty coming out of Raleigh that the Canes are dangling Dougie Hamilton, as well as not wanting to lose Ferland in UFA if they can’t strike a deal. Meanwhile, in YEG, reports are that Chia may be looking at moving JP.

Totally hypothetical here;

Hamilton and Ferland to Edmonton
Lucic, Puljujarvi, Spooner/or/Manning and the NYI 3rd

Is this too ‘Chel? Flame away if you must. Draft pick too high? Obviously you’d have to get Milan’s blessing, with his NMC.

Yay? Nay?

Still think we miss playoffs this year even if this occurs.


I wont comment on the value as I am have no idea these days what good value is (also know as "the price you have to pay")

I do have concerns with Hamilton. There has to be a reason at this point that three teams are giving up on a guy who at one point was seen as an elite prospect.

That said, if the Canes are willing to take Lucic in any way then I would listen to almost any trade talk

I don't often agree with you on very many posts but I 100% agree with you on concerns with Hamilton. What is his deal?

When Boston decided to trade him, he had 42 pts in 72 games and he would have been what 22? That's pretty freaking good. Then he goes to Calgary and his worst year he had 12 goals and 43 pts. He had a 50 pts yr, then had 17 goals, 44 pts last year and was on maybe one of the best top pairings in the league. He's big, right shot, runs your PP, skates like the wind, moves the puck extremely well, puts up really good points, can play big mins. Defensively, he's not a shut down guy but he's good enough and his offense more than offsets the bad. You wish he was a bit meaner but that is nit picking. The majority of the teams want a guy with exactly what he brings to play in your top 4, yet teams are dumping him. In Calgary, they needed to change up things. The trade came down to Lindholm for Ferland and Hanifin for Hamilton. In my opinion for the Flames, if you want to make a change to your team, there are other guys I would trade first before Hamilton. They would have traded Ferland for Lindholm and been just fine. So they fact they wanted to trade him and when they did it, the GM didn't crap on him but didn't exactly speak highly of him, tells me something is up.

As much as Hamilton pretty much checks EVERY box the Oilers need. I don't know if I would do it because something is up with this guy that seems to affect the team. That being said, if you can get rid of Lucic, hard to pass it up. This is a tough one.


Glad I’ve sparked some conversation.

IMO; from the bits we’ve heard is that Hamilton is rather very reserved and has interests that don’t involve drinking and partying. Sounds like someone the Oilers have under contract for another 7 years, a person who happens to be the main part of the leadership group. I’m sure there’s more to it than that, but as you said, Hamilton checks every box the Oilers need on the back end. Regardless, Chia tried to obtain him before, I’d be surprised if he’s not at least inquiring.

There has to be more too it than just not wanting to go out and get loaded every night. There are lots of different people both age wise and personality wise on a team. If you have a married guy who's in your late 20's or early 30's with kids, I don't see those guys going out with the 20 yr olds gettting hammered and picking up girls every night. There has to more to him as a person that is toxic to the room than just him not wanting to go for drinks.


The Dougie smear campaign did seem to include stuff about him skipping out on team events. He does still do his share of charity stuff though.

Dunno. If Chia wanted to get him earlier after knowing him for some years already, he can't be that bad.

Him being on the market now might just be related to his results and how the team is sucking and are probably super embarrassed about that trade.

For me as long as he isn't cancer to a team, I would be all over him. He checks almost every box. If you are worried about him not being tough enough on a pair, put him with a guy like Nurse who is freaking nasty. I just look at the skill set and what he does and almost every team in the league wants a guy like him yet a 3rd team is OK to trade him. If Bouchard can turn into Hamilton, I would be dancing in the streets.



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The Dougie smear campaign did seem to include stuff about him skipping out on team events. He does still do his share of charity stuff though.

Dunno. If Chia wanted to get him earlier after knowing him for some years already, he can't be that bad.

Him being on the market now might just be related to his results and how the team is sucking and are probably super embarrassed about that trade.


Here's the thing - if the Oilers are a flawed organization, and if players have concerns about coming here, and the city isn't appealing and it's next to impossible to find first pairing, point producing defencemen, especially for our management team...then we may not be able to find a perfect player to play that role and we may have to accept some warts.

I've always thought it interesting that there's so many reasons that the team wouldn't want some defenceman who produces 40+ points a year. Whether he's not physical enough, or he isn't mean enough or he's not airtight defensively or he takes too many risks, or he's just kinda weird...the Oilers (and their fans) have always seemed to find reasons not to get or not to keep these players. Maybe we need to forget about that player being Chris Pronger 2.0, and just accept that we could really use a guy who can move the puck up ice, get shots to the goal, and put up 50 points. Even better if he's a right shot, so that we finally can work a one-timer in to our powerplay scheme.

I do wonder what the reasons are behind Hamilton's somewhat frequent moves. We've heard stories about his parents, we've heard he's a bit of an outsider...those might be true. He might be a weirdo that no one likes that much. I don't really care though if everyone is best friends. If we can acquire a player who helps us on the ice, then I think the team has to do it. And if we can take advantage of someone selling low because they think "he's just not a ____-type of player" for a change, that would be good.



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One interesting one I saw suggested was Lucic for Schneider. But after July 1st when Lucic gets his bonus.

Jersey owes Schneider 18M in base salary over the next 3 years. Lucic will be owed 16M over the next 4 years after his next bonus is paid, and could be traded in years 3 and 4 as his full NMC is gone.

Schneider is likely close to being on LTIR for the rest of his contract, so that would be fine for us to take on. Jersey saves money, and they don't really care about hitting the cap ceiling, so they would probably not care they are trading a 6M cap hit for 6M, as long as they save some cash.



That's all I got for a big trade :) Ridding ourselves of Lucic is probably one of the most important things this management group can do right now.



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Given Lucic’s performance since he left Boston and disgusting contract, I highly doubt that any team would take a flyer on him. It looked like a good move in theory at the time because of his past play, but it’s only gotten worse. Buy him out. That’s all you can do in this case. It’s not worth risking the loss of prospects or picks to be rid of that guy and his contract. I hoped he could provide something we lacked but he hasn’t.

Why is it that Calgary is able to attract free agents of quality and build a team around young guys, yet the Oilers can’t? We arguably had more high end picks and potential prospects the last decade yet are still failing miserably compared to most teams in the league. I think people are right, McDavid will politely ask to be traded away to a contender because this group is so incapable of recognizing their failures and ineptitude due to inflated egos and some unearned air of superiority. What was done on the ice as part of a team does not translate to success in the board room.



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Players decry the local fans and media for being hard on them. You play a team game professionally you can’t not expect to be criticized when you appear to mail it in daily. The first few games of Hitch, Lucic looked like he was reenergized and found a new effective role. Now he and the rest of the team have reverted back to the mean of complete suckitude.


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