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Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


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Every coach goes stale in the same place eventually.

I think I could handle 8-9 years of Quenneville before he goes stale here.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:33

Every coach goes stale in the same place eventually.

I think I could handle 8-9 years of Quenneville before he goes stale here.

And there's an argument to be made that the players in Chicago are the ones who went stale.



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With Q being fired Todd moves into top 5 for longest tenured coach


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:26

Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


What would really be great is to see the Oilers just hire Quenneville as head coach and suggest that there could be a role for Todd on the staff if he wants it...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:59

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:26

Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


What would really be great is to see the Oilers just hire Quenneville as head coach and suggest that there could be a role for Todd on the staff if he wants it...

He could get reunited with his buddy down in Bakersfield!



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...would imagine Quenneville will keep his eyes and ears open while he collects his salary from the Blackhawks for the rest of the season...he will be in demand for sure...

https://www.secondcityhockey.com/2016/1/12/10755222/joel-que nneville-contract-extension-blackhawks-head-coach-2016

"Now the team has made sure the coach won't be going anywhere. Quenneville, 57, is now one of several members of the Hawks under long-term control. Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa, Artem Anisimov, Duncan Keith, Corey Crawford and Brent Seabrook are all signed through the 2019-20 season (or beyond) as well."...

....different kind of season for NHL head coaches this season...last year none were let go during the regular season...this year two are gone in the first month.....






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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 09:11

...would imagine Quenneville will keep his eyes and ears open while he collects his salary from the Blackhawks for the rest of the season...he will be in demand for sure...

https://www.secondcityhockey.com/2016/1/12/10755222/joel-que nneville-contract-extension-blackhawks-head-coach-2016

"Now the team has made sure the coach won't be going anywhere. Quenneville, 57, is now one of several members of the Hawks under long-term control. Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa, Artem Anisimov, Duncan Keith, Corey Crawford and Brent Seabrook are all signed through the 2019-20 season (or beyond) as well."...

....different kind of season for NHL head coaches this season...last year none were let go during the regular season...this year two are gone in the first month.....



Yeah, at an ongoing cost of $6MM per season, you have to think the Blackhawks will be giving hima glowing referral to anyone who comes asking...

But maybe you can hire him cheaper and get the Blackhawks to just pick up the delta...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:59

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:26

Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


What would really be great is to see the Oilers just hire Quenneville as head coach and suggest that there could be a role for Todd on the staff if he wants it...


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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 06:59

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:26

Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


What would really be great is to see the Oilers just hire Quenneville as head coach and suggest that there could be a role for Todd on the staff if he wants it...


Let's promote Todd to GM of the Condors.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 06:59

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:26

Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


What would really be great is to see the Oilers just hire Quenneville as head coach and suggest that there could be a role for Todd on the staff if he wants it...


*launches Skype*



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 07:26

Joel Quenneville > Todd McLellan


That would add a lot of Cups to the management group. But no player Cups, so maybe not a good fit.

Still:

3 Coach Cups > 0 Coach Cups

Sad thing is, had the Oilers not gone on this streak, this would probably be a done deal.



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2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Wow. I didn't think this would happen as I didn't see it being his fault, this is on the GM in my opinion. They won a bunch of cups and it made it so the GM had to make the call on signing aging vets that won for you.

Kane is an OK contract at 10.5 mill as he puts up usually a point a game.
Toews is not a good contract at 10.5 mill. He's being paid for being a cup champ. He's having a better year but he's never been a big scorer who had 58, 58, 52 pts. He makes probably 2 mill too much.
Seabrook is a hell of a player but he is declining fast and makes just under 7 mill for a long time. He's easily 1.5-2 mill too much.
Panarin trade was terrible.
Hjalmarrson trade was bad.

Chia has made some bad decisions just like Bowman BUT the one difference he has is he's given 21 mill to 2 guys who aren't even in their primes yet in McDavid and Leon so the best is yet to come for them. Bowman gave out 21 mill to 2 guys in the back half of their careers so the best of them is behind them.

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Have to think this will shakeup some other organizations. Willie Desjardins has the interim tag in LA and Mike Yeo is on the hot seat in St. Louis.

Guaranteed we are just gonna watch this one as the media praises McLellan and management for the team's start. We only get good things from lotteries.



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....don't know much about Quenneville's successor Jeremy Colliton other than what I've gleaned off the internet...going from a 60-year old coach that has the second most wins in NHL history to a 33-year old is a pretty abrupt change in direction....



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According to Nielson, the Hawks new coach has 1 year of pro coaching in the minors.


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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 09:35

....don't know much about Quenneville's successor Jeremy Colliton other than what I've gleaned off the internet...going from a 60-year old coach that has the second most wins in NHL history to a 33-year old is a pretty abrupt change in direction....


The nice thing about this for the Hawks is they are still paying about ~$6MM for their coach this year (with that declining sharply after someone hires Quenneville in the next couple of weeks).

Got to think Colliton is dirt cheap. He might not be making league minimum with that resume.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 10:19

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 06 November 2018 09:35

....don't know much about Quenneville's successor Jeremy Colliton other than what I've gleaned off the internet...going from a 60-year old coach that has the second most wins in NHL history to a 33-year old is a pretty abrupt change in direction....


The nice thing about this for the Hawks is they are still paying about ~$6MM for their coach this year (with that declining sharply after someone hires Quenneville in the next couple of weeks).

Got to think Colliton is dirt cheap. He might not be making league minimum with that resume.


Played for the Raiders in the dub. 2nd round pick I think. Didn’t realized he coached at all. I think Bowman is going the way of Wirtz. Odd ball move. They will regret firing Quenville. The Hawks have been separating themselves from Coach Q for the past few years.
Gladly take him here in Edmonton. We could use another “assistant “ coach.



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Ever since Quenneville was fired, I swear the Oilers stopped giving 2 craps about their own zone. That Rieder back checking effort sealed it for me. This team wants Quenneville :)


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....guess it's a matter of how much Mr. Katz still cares about this city and the performance of this hockey team....

https://thehockeywriters.com/oilers-hire-quenneville-katz/

...."Should the organization decide to go in a new direction, it will come down to two simple things. Does the former Chicago Blackhawks bench boss have any interest in coming to the Alberta capital and how many cheques is the owner of this club willing to write to try to get this ship pointed in the right direction? If the first part of the equation is realistic, Katz would be off his rocker to not pursue things further and in short order."....

....hope talks with Mr. Katz and representatives of Mr. Quenneville are in progress...




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....sure doesn't look like Quenneville's departure improved the Hawks fortunes....on the surface, it seems to me replacing him with Colinton has made things a lot worse in Chicago...

...Joel Quenneville's Hawks were off to a 6-6-3 start to the year....and he got dumped....

Jeremy Colliton was promoted to replace Quenneville, but with a 3-12-2 record, I would say Chicago is worse off, not better off....

I'm sure Quenneville will have lots of offers on the table (probably already has), but hopefully Mr. Katz is keeping the lines of communication with Mr. Quenneville's people wide open....some old school guys should definitely be put out to pasture, but not all of them...Hitchcock and Quenneville among the ones who can relate to the younger players and still maintain the respect of the veterans....




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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 16:59

....sure doesn't look like Quenneville's departure improved the Hawks fortunes....on the surface, it seems to me replacing him with Colinton has made things a lot worse in Chicago...

...Joel Quenneville's Hawks were off to a 6-6-3 start to the year....and he got dumped....

Jeremy Colliton was promoted to replace Quenneville, but with a 3-12-2 record, I would say Chicago is worse off, not better off....

I'm sure Quenneville will have lots of offers on the table (probably already has), but hopefully Mr. Katz is keeping the lines of communication with Mr. Quenneville's people wide open....some old school guys should definitely be put out to pasture, but not all of them...Hitchcock and Quenneville among the ones who can relate to the younger players and still maintain the respect of the veterans....


How about the Blues? Team is an absolute disaster. JP Rutherford (blues reporter) just said all players on the Blues are available.

Willie isn't getting much done for LA either.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 20:32

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 16:59

....sure doesn't look like Quenneville's departure improved the Hawks fortunes....on the surface, it seems to me replacing him with Colinton has made things a lot worse in Chicago...

...Joel Quenneville's Hawks were off to a 6-6-3 start to the year....and he got dumped....

Jeremy Colliton was promoted to replace Quenneville, but with a 3-12-2 record, I would say Chicago is worse off, not better off....

I'm sure Quenneville will have lots of offers on the table (probably already has), but hopefully Mr. Katz is keeping the lines of communication with Mr. Quenneville's people wide open....some old school guys should definitely be put out to pasture, but not all of them...Hitchcock and Quenneville among the ones who can relate to the younger players and still maintain the respect of the veterans....


How about the Blues? Team is an absolute disaster. Rutherford just said all players on the Blues are available.

Willie isn't getting much done for LA either.


Excellent. I'll take one Vladdy Tarasenko thanks. Or a Pietrangelo / Parayko. I'm not fussy.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 09:51

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 20:32

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 16:59

....sure doesn't look like Quenneville's departure improved the Hawks fortunes....on the surface, it seems to me replacing him with Colinton has made things a lot worse in Chicago...

...Joel Quenneville's Hawks were off to a 6-6-3 start to the year....and he got dumped....

Jeremy Colliton was promoted to replace Quenneville, but with a 3-12-2 record, I would say Chicago is worse off, not better off....

I'm sure Quenneville will have lots of offers on the table (probably already has), but hopefully Mr. Katz is keeping the lines of communication with Mr. Quenneville's people wide open....some old school guys should definitely be put out to pasture, but not all of them...Hitchcock and Quenneville among the ones who can relate to the younger players and still maintain the respect of the veterans....


How about the Blues? Team is an absolute disaster. Rutherford just said all players on the Blues are available.

Willie isn't getting much done for LA either.


Excellent. I'll take one Vladdy Tarasenko thanks. Or a Pietrangelo / Parayko. I'm not fussy.



I bashed the idea of being able to get Parayko, but I'm surprised to see many Blues fans are very down on him. I guess they were expecting him to take the team on his back, and they think he is too soft (he has the 2nd most hits among Blues D).

Sounds kinda like how Oilers fans were feeling about Petry back in the day. Wonder if Armstrong really could be taken advantage of here. Not many players look themselves when you have goalies that can never make a save and your team is mentally in the gutter.

Tarasenko is apparently lazy and out of shape now too according to fans :)


It was brought up in our ference thread how every fan base that pays attention is about the same. I think this is some proof to that with what is happening with the Blues. It's just, not many fan bases that pay attention have had to go through what we have for so many years, which makes us look worse, because we have to constantly watch endless suck.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 10:12

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 09:51

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 20:32

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 12 December 2018 16:59

....sure doesn't look like Quenneville's departure improved the Hawks fortunes....on the surface, it seems to me replacing him with Colinton has made things a lot worse in Chicago...

...Joel Quenneville's Hawks were off to a 6-6-3 start to the year....and he got dumped....

Jeremy Colliton was promoted to replace Quenneville, but with a 3-12-2 record, I would say Chicago is worse off, not better off....

I'm sure Quenneville will have lots of offers on the table (probably already has), but hopefully Mr. Katz is keeping the lines of communication with Mr. Quenneville's people wide open....some old school guys should definitely be put out to pasture, but not all of them...Hitchcock and Quenneville among the ones who can relate to the younger players and still maintain the respect of the veterans....


How about the Blues? Team is an absolute disaster. Rutherford just said all players on the Blues are available.

Willie isn't getting much done for LA either.


Excellent. I'll take one Vladdy Tarasenko thanks. Or a Pietrangelo / Parayko. I'm not fussy.



I bashed the idea of being able to get Parayko, but I'm surprised to see many Blues fans are very down on him. I guess they were expecting him to take the team on his back, and they think he is too soft (he has the 2nd most hits among Blues D).

Sounds kinda like how Oilers fans were feeling about Petry back in the day. Wonder if Armstrong really could be taken advantage of here. Not many players look themselves when you have goalies that can never make a save and your team is mentally in the gutter.

Tarasenko is apparently lazy and out of shape now too according to fans :)


It was brought up in our ference thread how every fan base that pays attention is about the same. I think this is some proof to that with what is happening with the Blues. It's just, not many fan bases that pay attention have had to go through what we have for so many years, which makes us look worse, because we have to constantly watch endless suck.


I think so many hockey fans believe that if you're 6-4, you should crush people, and if you don't do it regularly, you're a failure...no matter what else you bring to the table.

I imagine it would be an issue in Edmonton too...people would look at his size and think he should just tear people apart. Points are secondary for grouchy Edmonton fans who love to hate rangy puck-moving defencemen!



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I think what the Blues are missing is some speed, skill ,leadership and grindendity.

Tarasenko is fat and lazy and worn out his welcome I am sure. Plus as a Blues owner and fan, do you really want to watch this guy for another 4 more years at 7.5 mill. If I was a Blues fan, I wouldn't.

Maroon is a St. Louis guy but it's clearly a bust for them. He loved Edmonton so he'd be OK with it.

When Lucic came to the Oilers, they went to the playoffs that first year. He can turn them around too. Yes he isn't scoring now but it's Edmonton the City and the fans fault. Until signing in Edmonton, he's been a US guy and has struggled to embrace Edmonton as his new home. Apparently he went to a sports therapist this offseason and has it figured out so he's OK with Edmonton now BUT if he can stomach Edmonton, imagine how overjoyed he'd be in St. Louis.

Spooner isn't a Hitch guy. It's clear. He's fast, has skill, can play center and wing. All things the Blues can use.

So the trade is:
Tarasenko + Maroon = 9.25 mill
for
Lucic + Spooner. = 9.1 mill.

MOney wise, it's virtually a wash. Tarasenko is the best player in the deal so if you need a sweetener, throw in a pick.


While you are at it. Parayko is clearly a bum and can't play. Jay Bo is 35, going to be 36 next year and is a UFA. His game is fallen off a lot. But he's a vet and it's nice to have vets around. Something must be up in the room so I think they need a few good guys in there.

Sekera or "Reggie" as the boys call him is close to coming back and is absolutely beloved in the room. He's only 32, so he should have game left and is signed for 2 more years after this. He had a knee injury in April 2017 and with his latest injury, that knee has had tons of time to be better than ever. Sure he has an achilles injury but the guy is in amazing shape so he's fine. Who doesn't love a guy called Reggie. I smile when I say it. Money wise, both Parayko and Reggie make the exact same money.

So the trade is:
Paryako
for
Reggie.

To compensate for Reggie needing a few more weeks before he is ready to go, the Oilers can throw in a pick. Hell, they can have a second. Steep price I know but I like to be fair.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 10:39

I think what the Blues are missing is some speed, skill ,leadership and grindendity.

Tarasenko is fat and lazy and worn out his welcome I am sure. Plus as a Blues owner and fan, do you really want to watch this guy for another 4 more years at 7.5 mill. If I was a Blues fan, I wouldn't.

Maroon is a St. Louis guy but it's clearly a bust for them. He loved Edmonton so he'd be OK with it.

When Lucic came to the Oilers, they went to the playoffs that first year. He can turn them around too. Yes he isn't scoring now but it's Edmonton the City and the fans fault. Until signing in Edmonton, he's been a US guy and has struggled to embrace Edmonton as his new home. Apparently he went to a sports therapist this offseason and has it figured out so he's OK with Edmonton now BUT if he can stomach Edmonton, imagine how overjoyed he'd be in St. Louis.

Spooner isn't a Hitch guy. It's clear. He's fast, has skill, can play center and wing. All things the Blues can use.

So the trade is:
Tarasenko + Maroon = 9.25 mill
for
Lucic + Spooner. = 9.1 mill.

MOney wise, it's virtually a wash. Tarasenko is the best player in the deal so if you need a sweetener, throw in a pick.


While you are at it. Parayko is clearly a bum and can't play. Jay Bo is 35, going to be 36 next year and is a UFA. His game is fallen off a lot. But he's a vet and it's nice to have vets around. Something must be up in the room so I think they need a few good guys in there.

Sekera or "Reggie" as the boys call him is close to coming back and is absolutely beloved in the room. He's only 32, so he should have game left and is signed for 2 more years after this. He had a knee injury in April 2017 and with his latest injury, that knee has had tons of time to be better than ever. Sure he has an achilles injury but the guy is in amazing shape so he's fine. Who doesn't love a guy called Reggie. I smile when I say it. Money wise, both Parayko and Reggie make the exact same money.

So the trade is:
Paryako
for
Reggie.

To compensate for Reggie needing a few more weeks before he is ready to go, the Oilers can throw in a pick. Hell, they can have a second. Steep price I know but I like to be fair.



Maroon is not moving from St. Louis, he is head over heels about finally being with his son. He'll play for peanuts next year to make that happen.



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bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 11:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 10:39

I think what the Blues are missing is some speed, skill ,leadership and grindendity.

Tarasenko is fat and lazy and worn out his welcome I am sure. Plus as a Blues owner and fan, do you really want to watch this guy for another 4 more years at 7.5 mill. If I was a Blues fan, I wouldn't.

Maroon is a St. Louis guy but it's clearly a bust for them. He loved Edmonton so he'd be OK with it.

When Lucic came to the Oilers, they went to the playoffs that first year. He can turn them around too. Yes he isn't scoring now but it's Edmonton the City and the fans fault. Until signing in Edmonton, he's been a US guy and has struggled to embrace Edmonton as his new home. Apparently he went to a sports therapist this offseason and has it figured out so he's OK with Edmonton now BUT if he can stomach Edmonton, imagine how overjoyed he'd be in St. Louis.

Spooner isn't a Hitch guy. It's clear. He's fast, has skill, can play center and wing. All things the Blues can use.

So the trade is:
Tarasenko + Maroon = 9.25 mill
for
Lucic + Spooner. = 9.1 mill.

MOney wise, it's virtually a wash. Tarasenko is the best player in the deal so if you need a sweetener, throw in a pick.


While you are at it. Parayko is clearly a bum and can't play. Jay Bo is 35, going to be 36 next year and is a UFA. His game is fallen off a lot. But he's a vet and it's nice to have vets around. Something must be up in the room so I think they need a few good guys in there.

Sekera or "Reggie" as the boys call him is close to coming back and is absolutely beloved in the room. He's only 32, so he should have game left and is signed for 2 more years after this. He had a knee injury in April 2017 and with his latest injury, that knee has had tons of time to be better than ever. Sure he has an achilles injury but the guy is in amazing shape so he's fine. Who doesn't love a guy called Reggie. I smile when I say it. Money wise, both Parayko and Reggie make the exact same money.

So the trade is:
Paryako
for
Reggie.

To compensate for Reggie needing a few more weeks before he is ready to go, the Oilers can throw in a pick. Hell, they can have a second. Steep price I know but I like to be fair.



Maroon is not moving from St. Louis, he is head over heels about finally being with his son. He'll play for peanuts next year to make that happen.


Not to put words in RDOF's mouth, but I'm pretty sure that was a tongue-in-cheek post.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 11:38

bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 11:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 10:39

I think what the Blues are missing is some speed, skill ,leadership and grindendity.

Tarasenko is fat and lazy and worn out his welcome I am sure. Plus as a Blues owner and fan, do you really want to watch this guy for another 4 more years at 7.5 mill. If I was a Blues fan, I wouldn't.

Maroon is a St. Louis guy but it's clearly a bust for them. He loved Edmonton so he'd be OK with it.

When Lucic came to the Oilers, they went to the playoffs that first year. He can turn them around too. Yes he isn't scoring now but it's Edmonton the City and the fans fault. Until signing in Edmonton, he's been a US guy and has struggled to embrace Edmonton as his new home. Apparently he went to a sports therapist this offseason and has it figured out so he's OK with Edmonton now BUT if he can stomach Edmonton, imagine how overjoyed he'd be in St. Louis.

Spooner isn't a Hitch guy. It's clear. He's fast, has skill, can play center and wing. All things the Blues can use.

So the trade is:
Tarasenko + Maroon = 9.25 mill
for
Lucic + Spooner. = 9.1 mill.

MOney wise, it's virtually a wash. Tarasenko is the best player in the deal so if you need a sweetener, throw in a pick.


While you are at it. Parayko is clearly a bum and can't play. Jay Bo is 35, going to be 36 next year and is a UFA. His game is fallen off a lot. But he's a vet and it's nice to have vets around. Something must be up in the room so I think they need a few good guys in there.

Sekera or "Reggie" as the boys call him is close to coming back and is absolutely beloved in the room. He's only 32, so he should have game left and is signed for 2 more years after this. He had a knee injury in April 2017 and with his latest injury, that knee has had tons of time to be better than ever. Sure he has an achilles injury but the guy is in amazing shape so he's fine. Who doesn't love a guy called Reggie. I smile when I say it. Money wise, both Parayko and Reggie make the exact same money.

So the trade is:
Paryako
for
Reggie.

To compensate for Reggie needing a few more weeks before he is ready to go, the Oilers can throw in a pick. Hell, they can have a second. Steep price I know but I like to be fair.



Maroon is not moving from St. Louis, he is head over heels about finally being with his son. He'll play for peanuts next year to make that happen.


Not to put words in RDOF's mouth, but I'm pretty sure that was a tongue-in-cheek post.

100% It was a completely unrealistic, dream scenario which if it happened, I might burst into tears because it would be such a fleecing, it would make the Reinhart trade look not as bad.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 11:38

bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 11:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 10:39

I think what the Blues are missing is some speed, skill ,leadership and grindendity.

Tarasenko is fat and lazy and worn out his welcome I am sure. Plus as a Blues owner and fan, do you really want to watch this guy for another 4 more years at 7.5 mill. If I was a Blues fan, I wouldn't.

Maroon is a St. Louis guy but it's clearly a bust for them. He loved Edmonton so he'd be OK with it.

When Lucic came to the Oilers, they went to the playoffs that first year. He can turn them around too. Yes he isn't scoring now but it's Edmonton the City and the fans fault. Until signing in Edmonton, he's been a US guy and has struggled to embrace Edmonton as his new home. Apparently he went to a sports therapist this offseason and has it figured out so he's OK with Edmonton now BUT if he can stomach Edmonton, imagine how overjoyed he'd be in St. Louis.

Spooner isn't a Hitch guy. It's clear. He's fast, has skill, can play center and wing. All things the Blues can use.

So the trade is:
Tarasenko + Maroon = 9.25 mill
for
Lucic + Spooner. = 9.1 mill.

MOney wise, it's virtually a wash. Tarasenko is the best player in the deal so if you need a sweetener, throw in a pick.


While you are at it. Parayko is clearly a bum and can't play. Jay Bo is 35, going to be 36 next year and is a UFA. His game is fallen off a lot. But he's a vet and it's nice to have vets around. Something must be up in the room so I think they need a few good guys in there.

Sekera or "Reggie" as the boys call him is close to coming back and is absolutely beloved in the room. He's only 32, so he should have game left and is signed for 2 more years after this. He had a knee injury in April 2017 and with his latest injury, that knee has had tons of time to be better than ever. Sure he has an achilles injury but the guy is in amazing shape so he's fine. Who doesn't love a guy called Reggie. I smile when I say it. Money wise, both Parayko and Reggie make the exact same money.

So the trade is:
Paryako
for
Reggie.

To compensate for Reggie needing a few more weeks before he is ready to go, the Oilers can throw in a pick. Hell, they can have a second. Steep price I know but I like to be fair.



Maroon is not moving from St. Louis, he is head over heels about finally being with his son. He'll play for peanuts next year to make that happen.


Not to put words in RDOF's mouth, but I'm pretty sure that was a tongue-in-cheek post.


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....Quenneville to coach Philadelphia????....

https://www.tsn.ca/report-flyers-to-fire-hakstol-hire-quenne ville-1.1227289

...."The Philadelphia Flyers have decided to part ways with head coach Dave Hakstol and hire former Chicago Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville, according to Dave Isaac of the Courier-Post."....

...probably should put this in speculation, but since this thread already is here...

edit: looks like TSN has taken down the report of Quenneville taking over as coach in Philadelphia...

https://thehockeywriters.com/philadelphia-flyers-fire-haksto l-hire-quenneville/

....Darren Dreger reports no decision has been made...

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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 16 December 2018 14:38

....Quenneville to coach Philadelphia????....

https://www.tsn.ca/report-flyers-to-fire-hakstol-hire-quenne ville-1.1227289

...."The Philadelphia Flyers have decided to part ways with head coach Dave Hakstol and hire former Chicago Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville, according to Dave Isaac of the Courier-Post."....

...probably should put this in speculation, but since this thread already is here...

edit: looks like TSN has taken down the report of Quenneville taking over as coach in Philadelphia...

https://thehockeywriters.com/philadelphia-flyers-fire-haksto l-hire-quenneville/

....Darren Dreger reports no decision has been made...

If I'm Dave Hakstol, I'm pretty nervous right now. This isn't a good sign.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 17 December 2018 09:42

GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 16 December 2018 14:38

....Quenneville to coach Philadelphia????....

https://www.tsn.ca/report-flyers-to-fire-hakstol-hire-quenne ville-1.1227289

...."The Philadelphia Flyers have decided to part ways with head coach Dave Hakstol and hire former Chicago Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville, according to Dave Isaac of the Courier-Post."....

...probably should put this in speculation, but since this thread already is here...

edit: looks like TSN has taken down the report of Quenneville taking over as coach in Philadelphia...

https://thehockeywriters.com/philadelphia-flyers-fire-haksto l-hire-quenneville/

....Darren Dreger reports no decision has been made...

If I'm Dave Hakstol, I'm pretty nervous right now. This isn't a good sign.


Let's just say, if he's thinking of buying a house in Philly, he maybe should hold off a couple weeks...



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bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 11:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 December 2018 10:39

I think what the Blues are missing is some speed, skill ,leadership and grindendity.

Tarasenko is fat and lazy and worn out his welcome I am sure. Plus as a Blues owner and fan, do you really want to watch this guy for another 4 more years at 7.5 mill. If I was a Blues fan, I wouldn't.

Maroon is a St. Louis guy but it's clearly a bust for them. He loved Edmonton so he'd be OK with it.

When Lucic came to the Oilers, they went to the playoffs that first year. He can turn them around too. Yes he isn't scoring now but it's Edmonton the City and the fans fault. Until signing in Edmonton, he's been a US guy and has struggled to embrace Edmonton as his new home. Apparently he went to a sports therapist this offseason and has it figured out so he's OK with Edmonton now BUT if he can stomach Edmonton, imagine how overjoyed he'd be in St. Louis.

Spooner isn't a Hitch guy. It's clear. He's fast, has skill, can play center and wing. All things the Blues can use.

So the trade is:
Tarasenko + Maroon = 9.25 mill
for
Lucic + Spooner. = 9.1 mill.

MOney wise, it's virtually a wash. Tarasenko is the best player in the deal so if you need a sweetener, throw in a pick.


While you are at it. Parayko is clearly a bum and can't play. Jay Bo is 35, going to be 36 next year and is a UFA. His game is fallen off a lot. But he's a vet and it's nice to have vets around. Something must be up in the room so I think they need a few good guys in there.

Sekera or "Reggie" as the boys call him is close to coming back and is absolutely beloved in the room. He's only 32, so he should have game left and is signed for 2 more years after this. He had a knee injury in April 2017 and with his latest injury, that knee has had tons of time to be better than ever. Sure he has an achilles injury but the guy is in amazing shape so he's fine. Who doesn't love a guy called Reggie. I smile when I say it. Money wise, both Parayko and Reggie make the exact same money.

So the trade is:
Paryako
for
Reggie.

To compensate for Reggie needing a few more weeks before he is ready to go, the Oilers can throw in a pick. Hell, they can have a second. Steep price I know but I like to be fair.



Maroon is not moving from St. Louis, he is head over heels about finally being with his son. He'll play for peanuts next year to make that happen.

Obviously, all players would need to agree to waive their no moves. Lucic, Sekera and Maroon all over them. That being said, I was just dreaming out loud man. Not for a second did I actually believe this trade would ever happen or even thought for a second it was fair.

The Oilers would be getting a 30-40 goal, 70 pt winger who is in his prime at 27 who's contract isn't bad. Plus they would be getting at worse a right shooting, puck moving, good skating, #3, minute munching 35+ pt dman who's 25 and signed long term to a decent contract. Maroon who is a throw in to make the money work but is a good guy and can play in your bottom 6 plus is a UFA, so you aren't tied to him and can walk away this offseason which I am sure they would.

They are giving the Blues Lucic who's over 30 and while he can bring you some stuff, it's pretty clear his days of scoring 20+ goals and 50+ pts are LONG gone. If you got low teens in goals and 30 pts from him at this point you are happy. But for 6 mill, that's not close to good enough. Then they give them Sekera who's over 30 coming off back to back major leg injuries so at this point, I would be surprised if for the rest of the contract he's anything more than a decent #5 which again isn't close to enough for what he makes. Then they get Spooner which god only knows what he is plus a couple of mediocre draft picks.

So the trade would be completely one sided to the Oilers and zero chance of EVER happening. But a guy can dream can't he.

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