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Oilers are bringing in Alex Chiasson to a PTO. Interesting!! 6'4, 210, right shot. Bottom 6 guy.

I wonder if bringing in a guy like An Upshall or a Chiasson or both, means a deal is coming? Say Kassian for...

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Got to wonder if Kassian is going to be gone, the amount of forwards they have on PTO's who could fill an already pretty full bottom 6 makes you wonder. Maybe Kassian for Defense help?


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 10 September 2018 15:15

Oilers are bringing in Alex Chiasson to a PTO. Interesting!! 6'4, 210, right shot. Bottom 6 guy.

I wonder if bringing in a guy like An Upshall or a Chiasson or both, means a deal is coming? Say Kassian for...


If someone doesn't get traded, there's not a lot of point to all these PTOs. The team literally can't afford to sign any of them - not with Nurse's deal still hanging out there.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 10 September 2018 15:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 10 September 2018 15:15

Oilers are bringing in Alex Chiasson to a PTO. Interesting!! 6'4, 210, right shot. Bottom 6 guy.

I wonder if bringing in a guy like An Upshall or a Chiasson or both, means a deal is coming? Say Kassian for...


If someone doesn't get traded, there's not a lot of point to all these PTOs. The team literally can't afford to sign any of them - not with Nurse's deal still hanging out there.

Sounds like a strong case to trade Nurse.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 10 September 2018 15:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 10 September 2018 15:15

Oilers are bringing in Alex Chiasson to a PTO. Interesting!! 6'4, 210, right shot. Bottom 6 guy.

I wonder if bringing in a guy like An Upshall or a Chiasson or both, means a deal is coming? Say Kassian for...


If someone doesn't get traded, there's not a lot of point to all these PTOs. The team literally can't afford to sign any of them - not with Nurse's deal still hanging out there.

I agree with you. I think the Nurse deal happens right before camp at around 3 mill. Then I think they will announce that Sekera is done for the year and put him on LTIR. When Chia talked about it, he sure didn't come off sounding optimistic. Plus at his age and considering he barely played last year and this is a pretty serious injury, even if he was "healthy" with some games left, you can't train or skate at all with an what he has. He will be even farther behind that he was last year. He might be done in the NHL. First a major knee injury then an achilles. Pretty touch to be an effective NHLer if you have barely played in 2 yeas when you are on the wrong side of 30. Once they get the LTIR relief, I think a trade for Faulk is coming. I could see Kassian and insert defensive prospect.

I could also see Aberg getting waived. If he gets picked up, Oh well. If he doesn't, all of his salary would be able to be buried in the minors I believe. So if the Oilers end up with Upshall and Chiasson as replacements for Aberg and Kassian, are they worse off? I don't think so.



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He has size, shoots right, what's not to like? :)

Oh and did I mention he has a cup ring?




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I'm gonna assume the Oilers Dept of Nepotism saw Chia-son and offered him an invite just in case


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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 10 September 2018 20:09

I'm gonna assume the Oilers Dept of Nepotism saw Chia-son and offered him an invite just in case


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Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

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Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 11:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


Kassian has size and shoots right. What's not to like?



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 12:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 11:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


Kassian has size and shoots right. What's not to like?

What we need is for Kassian to play like a Lucic-type player. Also, if Lucic would become a Lucic-type player that would be pretty cool too. I like the focus on fixing the bottom six while hoping and praying the second line, D, and net just work themselves out.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


I hope they keep Kassian, the guy I'd trade is Caggiula if they need cap ($1.5M ?) ...



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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


I hope they keep Kassian, the guy I'd trade is Caggiula if they need cap ($1.5M ?) ...


Yep. Caggiula is a poor man's Mark Arcobello who's worse at both ends of the ice.

Caggiula:
Y1 = 60 - 7 - 11 -18
Y2 = 67 - 13 - 7 -20

Arcobello:
Y1 = 41 - 4 -14 - 18
Y2 = 77 - 17 - 14 - 31

Arcobello did get 2-ish years in the minors before spending time with the big club, so maybe Caggiula doesn't wash out like Arcobello did. But if I'm cutting bait with someone in the bottom 6 its Caggiula first.



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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:21

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


I hope they keep Kassian, the guy I'd trade is Caggiula if they need cap ($1.5M ?) ...


Yep. Caggiula is a poor man's Mark Arcobello who's worse at both ends of the ice.

Caggiula:
Y1 = 60 - 7 - 11 -18
Y2 = 67 - 13 - 7 -20

Arcobello:
Y1 = 41 - 4 -14 - 18
Y2 = 77 - 17 - 14 - 31

Arcobello did get 2-ish years in the minors before spending time with the big club, so maybe Caggiula doesn't wash out like Arcobello did. But if I'm cutting bait with someone in the bottom 6 its Caggiula first.


Two counter-points on this:

1) Kassian makes more money. You free up $2MM if you can move him. If he can up his production back to the 25-30 point range, then maybe he earns that contract. If he's a 15-20 point guy, he's very expensive, even if he brings physicality. Last year it seemed like he'd lost some of that edge too...He took more bad penalties, and less penalties from simply being aggressive.

2) The Oilers LOVE the Drake. I don't really understand it. He's a passable player, but he hasn't shown he can be anything but a third liner at best...and yet he got 18 minutes more on the PP last year than Puljujarvi (65-48). He managed an extra goal (3 vs. 2) to Puljujarvi, but Caggiula seems to always be the guy getting the push. Same thing with time with McDavid...Caggiula's often chosen to move up the lineup, and his production never seems to really warrant it. He's working hard to be this coach's Tobey Peterson...



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Two counter-points on this:

1) Kassian makes more money. You free up $2MM if you can move him. If he can up his production back to the 25-30 point range, then maybe he earns that contract. If he's a 15-20 point guy, he's very expensive, even if he brings physicality. Last year it seemed like he'd lost some of that edge too...He took more bad penalties, and less penalties from simply being aggressive.

2) The Oilers LOVE the Drake. I don't really understand it. He's a passable player, but he hasn't shown he can be anything but a third liner at best...and yet he got 18 minutes more on the PP last year than Puljujarvi (65-48). He managed an extra goal (3 vs. 2) to Puljujarvi, but Caggiula seems to always be the guy getting the push. Same thing with time with McDavid...Caggiula's often chosen to move up the lineup, and his production never seems to really warrant it. He's working hard to be this coach's Tobey Peterson...



Kassian will only save you $1 million-ish, because you have to replace him with someone.

I'm assuming if they want to sign these guys on PTO, they will do it AFTER Sekera goes on LTIR, giving them more room.

CapFriendly also shows them with only 22 contracts (not including Nurse), but either Jerabek or Gravel will have to be sent to the minors (or both down for a Bouchard or a Bear). That means they need another forward anyway. That might be Yamamoto, a guy on PTO, of somebody cut somewhere else.

I also fear the Oilers are waiting for Sekera to go on LTIR to sign Nurse. That would mean him missing camp and taking 3 or 4 weeks of regular season time to get up to speed.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:40

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:21

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


I hope they keep Kassian, the guy I'd trade is Caggiula if they need cap ($1.5M ?) ...


Yep. Caggiula is a poor man's Mark Arcobello who's worse at both ends of the ice.

Caggiula:
Y1 = 60 - 7 - 11 -18
Y2 = 67 - 13 - 7 -20

Arcobello:
Y1 = 41 - 4 -14 - 18
Y2 = 77 - 17 - 14 - 31

Arcobello did get 2-ish years in the minors before spending time with the big club, so maybe Caggiula doesn't wash out like Arcobello did. But if I'm cutting bait with someone in the bottom 6 its Caggiula first.


Two counter-points on this:

1) Kassian makes more money. You free up $2MM if you can move him. If he can up his production back to the 25-30 point range, then maybe he earns that contract. If he's a 15-20 point guy, he's very expensive, even if he brings physicality. Last year it seemed like he'd lost some of that edge too...He took more bad penalties, and less penalties from simply being aggressive.

2) The Oilers LOVE the Drake. I don't really understand it. He's a passable player, but he hasn't shown he can be anything but a third liner at best...and yet he got 18 minutes more on the PP last year than Puljujarvi (65-48). He managed an extra goal (3 vs. 2) to Puljujarvi, but Caggiula seems to always be the guy getting the push. Same thing with time with McDavid...Caggiula's often chosen to move up the lineup, and his production never seems to really warrant it. He's working hard to be this coach's Tobey Peterson...



1) Personally, I am willing to pay the extra 500k for Kassian as Caggiula has a tendency (if I recall his WOWY numbers) to drag down his linemates more-so than Kassian, and takes opportunities away from better players (Puljujarvi, as you mentioned). Both are a saw-off defensively and offensively, and it's not Drake's fault he is overvalued by the coaching/management group, but he's near the top of my list to move out. Plus I think it'd be an easier sell to teams that Caggiula is the better player with more potential than Kassian, so we could likely get a better return. But you're right, if the sole aim is cap space, then it's Kassian.

2) Ya, I don't get the love they have for him. PC's affinity for college players perhaps? I'd say Kassian is far more likely to be moved by management than Drake, but I don't think it's the right move. Not that it'd be devastating, but I'd prefer he stay over Caggiula, the caveat being Nurse: if trading Kassian is the only way to get Nurse under contract, then so be it.



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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 14:14

Adam wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:40

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:21

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


I hope they keep Kassian, the guy I'd trade is Caggiula if they need cap ($1.5M ?) ...


Yep. Caggiula is a poor man's Mark Arcobello who's worse at both ends of the ice.

Caggiula:
Y1 = 60 - 7 - 11 -18
Y2 = 67 - 13 - 7 -20

Arcobello:
Y1 = 41 - 4 -14 - 18
Y2 = 77 - 17 - 14 - 31

Arcobello did get 2-ish years in the minors before spending time with the big club, so maybe Caggiula doesn't wash out like Arcobello did. But if I'm cutting bait with someone in the bottom 6 its Caggiula first.


Two counter-points on this:

1) Kassian makes more money. You free up $2MM if you can move him. If he can up his production back to the 25-30 point range, then maybe he earns that contract. If he's a 15-20 point guy, he's very expensive, even if he brings physicality. Last year it seemed like he'd lost some of that edge too...He took more bad penalties, and less penalties from simply being aggressive.

2) The Oilers LOVE the Drake. I don't really understand it. He's a passable player, but he hasn't shown he can be anything but a third liner at best...and yet he got 18 minutes more on the PP last year than Puljujarvi (65-48). He managed an extra goal (3 vs. 2) to Puljujarvi, but Caggiula seems to always be the guy getting the push. Same thing with time with McDavid...Caggiula's often chosen to move up the lineup, and his production never seems to really warrant it. He's working hard to be this coach's Tobey Peterson...



1) Personally, I am willing to pay the extra 500k for Kassian as Caggiula has a tendency (if I recall his WOWY numbers) to drag down his linemates more-so than Kassian, and takes opportunities away from better players (Puljujarvi, as you mentioned). Both are a saw-off defensively and offensively, and it's not Drake's fault he is overvalued by the coaching/management group, but he's near the top of my list to move out. Plus I think it'd be an easier sell to teams that Caggiula is the better player with more potential than Kassian, so we could likely get a better return. But you're right, if the sole aim is cap space, then it's Kassian.

2) Ya, I don't get the love they have for him. PC's affinity for college players perhaps? I'd say Kassian is far more likely to be moved by management than Drake, but I don't think it's the right move. Not that it'd be devastating, but I'd prefer he stay over Caggiula, the caveat being Nurse: if trading Kassian is the only way to get Nurse under contract, then so be it.


I agree - I prefer Kassian to Caggiula.

Just don't think the Oilers do.

And I think Kassian gets way more leeway than he should for a terrible and pretty ineffective season last year. I think he should be on the bubble a bit, because he wasn't worth the money last season - and the Oilers still have one more with him after this...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 14:30

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 14:14

Adam wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:40

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:21

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:38

Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 10:45

Okay..

Well Upshall makes the team sign for under a mil. Chaisson makes an interesting case to dump Kassian as I think he is not long for this team.

Who is going to take Kassian at that contract? Unless the Oilers retain money, of course, which would totally defeat the purpose of signing a cheap PTO to a real contract.


I hope they keep Kassian, the guy I'd trade is Caggiula if they need cap ($1.5M ?) ...


Yep. Caggiula is a poor man's Mark Arcobello who's worse at both ends of the ice.

Caggiula:
Y1 = 60 - 7 - 11 -18
Y2 = 67 - 13 - 7 -20

Arcobello:
Y1 = 41 - 4 -14 - 18
Y2 = 77 - 17 - 14 - 31

Arcobello did get 2-ish years in the minors before spending time with the big club, so maybe Caggiula doesn't wash out like Arcobello did. But if I'm cutting bait with someone in the bottom 6 its Caggiula first.


Two counter-points on this:

1) Kassian makes more money. You free up $2MM if you can move him. If he can up his production back to the 25-30 point range, then maybe he earns that contract. If he's a 15-20 point guy, he's very expensive, even if he brings physicality. Last year it seemed like he'd lost some of that edge too...He took more bad penalties, and less penalties from simply being aggressive.

2) The Oilers LOVE the Drake. I don't really understand it. He's a passable player, but he hasn't shown he can be anything but a third liner at best...and yet he got 18 minutes more on the PP last year than Puljujarvi (65-48). He managed an extra goal (3 vs. 2) to Puljujarvi, but Caggiula seems to always be the guy getting the push. Same thing with time with McDavid...Caggiula's often chosen to move up the lineup, and his production never seems to really warrant it. He's working hard to be this coach's Tobey Peterson...



1) Personally, I am willing to pay the extra 500k for Kassian as Caggiula has a tendency (if I recall his WOWY numbers) to drag down his linemates more-so than Kassian, and takes opportunities away from better players (Puljujarvi, as you mentioned). Both are a saw-off defensively and offensively, and it's not Drake's fault he is overvalued by the coaching/management group, but he's near the top of my list to move out. Plus I think it'd be an easier sell to teams that Caggiula is the better player with more potential than Kassian, so we could likely get a better return. But you're right, if the sole aim is cap space, then it's Kassian.

2) Ya, I don't get the love they have for him. PC's affinity for college players perhaps? I'd say Kassian is far more likely to be moved by management than Drake, but I don't think it's the right move. Not that it'd be devastating, but I'd prefer he stay over Caggiula, the caveat being Nurse: if trading Kassian is the only way to get Nurse under contract, then so be it.


I agree - I prefer Kassian to Caggiula.

Just don't think the Oilers do.

And I think Kassian gets way more leeway than he should for a terrible and pretty ineffective season last year. I think he should be on the bubble a bit, because he wasn't worth the money last season - and the Oilers still have one more with him after this...



I think the difference between Kassian and Caggulia is Kassian is a going to be 28 yr old in January 387 games under his belt where he was been a 7 goal, 20-25 pt guy. He is what he is. Caggulia is a 24 yr old with 127 games under his belt player coming off a 13 goal season, which is almost double what he scored from his first year. If I am putting bets on a player continuing to develop his scoring, I am going to lean towards Caggulia who isn't establish vs Kassian.





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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 14:38



I think the difference between Kassian and Caggulia is Kassian is a going to be 28 yr old in January 387 games under his belt where he was been a 7 goal, 20-25 pt guy. He is what he is. Caggulia is a 24 yr old with 127 games under his belt player coming off a 13 goal season, which is almost double what he scored from his first year. If I am putting bets on a player continuing to develop his scoring, I am going to lean towards Caggulia who isn't establish vs Kassian.



It's not just production, it's production relative to opportunity. As a 4th liner, Kassian is not that bad. Overpaid, but not bad overall.

Caggiula gets the prime treatment but does not produce accordingly. That's a problem because its a huge opportunity cost we can't afford to pay. Plus at 24 there's not a whole lot of room for development unless you are a goalie. Sure, he may get a bit better, but it's not like Caggiula will suddenly become a legit top 6 scorer. He's a depth player who maxes out as a 3rd liner.



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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 15:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 14:38



I think the difference between Kassian and Caggulia is Kassian is a going to be 28 yr old in January 387 games under his belt where he was been a 7 goal, 20-25 pt guy. He is what he is. Caggulia is a 24 yr old with 127 games under his belt player coming off a 13 goal season, which is almost double what he scored from his first year. If I am putting bets on a player continuing to develop his scoring, I am going to lean towards Caggulia who isn't establish vs Kassian.



It's not just production, it's production relative to opportunity. As a 4th liner, Kassian is not that bad. Overpaid, but not bad overall.

Caggiula gets the prime treatment but does not produce accordingly. That's a problem because its a huge opportunity cost we can't afford to pay. Plus at 24 there's not a whole lot of room for development unless you are a goalie. Sure, he may get a bit better, but it's not like Caggiula will suddenly become a legit top 6 scorer. He's a depth player who maxes out as a 3rd liner.


I don't think Caggulia will ever become a top 6 guy but he's got a better chance to be a 15 goal guy year after year vs Kassian. He had 13 last year. Kassian had 7 goals 2 years in a row. I thought he just had some really bad luck with all those offsides his first year. Then he follows it up with the same output. Looks like a trend to me. If Caggulia is giving you 15 goals at 1.5 mill, that's not half bad.

Personally, I could care less about the 2. If you could find away to get rid of Kassian at 1.95 and Caggulia at 1.5 and replace them each with Upshall and Chiasson for 1 mill or less each. You trim almost 1.5 mill minimum off the books, probably get close to the same offensive production and get 2 guys who kill penalties better.



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Let's not forget what playoff Kassian brings to the table. Few bone crunching hits vs the Sharks that helped shift momentum and get the boys going.


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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 15:20

Let's not forget what playoff Kassian brings to the table. Few bone crunching hits vs the Sharks that helped shift momentum and get the boys going.

https://youtu.be/-oSFYxDGKy8?t=63



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 15:20

Let's not forget what playoff Kassian brings to the table. Few bone crunching hits vs the Sharks that helped shift momentum and get the boys going.

What happened to it all last season? I don't expect a player to play at playoff level. You can't duplicate that level for 82 games but I don't think we say playoff Kassian once all last year.



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 14:20

Let's not forget what playoff Kassian brings to the table. Few bone crunching hits vs the Sharks that helped shift momentum and get the boys going.


I'm with you there Gator.. that's the guy I think Kassian really is, I'd like to hang on to him, not only Kassian had a bad year, the whole team sucked, except for the SuperNova that is 97..



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Who do you trade to gain $.5M to $1M Cap Room?[ 16 vote(s) ]
1.Trade Caggilua for + $0.5M Cap Room 11 / 69%
2.Trade Kassian for +$1M Cap Room 5 / 31%

As has been said.. trading Kassian only saves you $1M tops, you need to replace him with the prospective PTO guy, who may want even more than $1M. Kassian IMO is way better than Caggiula who makes $1.5M and brings a LOT less than Kassian, Kassian is faster, as much or more skill, size, fearless, intimidates, and can PK, unlike Caggiula.

If you really need cap space, trade Caggiula... From what I saw of him last year I have no expectation he'll ever be a serviceable 3rd liner, and he doesn't have the goods to be a 4th liner, or can PK to save his life.

Kassian can do all of that much better, and even has the speed and skill to potentially move up to the 3rd.

Here's a poll, if you thought an extra 0.5 or 1M of cap room would actually help, who would you trade.

[Updated on: Tue, 11 September 2018 15:38]


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Who Would you Pick to Sign from PTO[ 18 vote(s) ]
1.Chiasson 9 / 50%
2.S. Upshall 9 / 50%

Who would you sign based on last years performance?


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To give people the stats line:

Chiasson: 61GP, 9-9-18, 26 PIMs, +1, 57 hits, 29 blocks, 1PPG, 1SHG, TOI 11:46/gm

Upshall: 63GP, 7-12-19, 46 PIMS, -1, 119 hits, 24 blocks, 0PPG, 0SHG, TOI 10:51/gm

Doesn't get much closer than that...

I probably pick Chiasson because he's younger (27 vs 34) and bigger (6'4 vs 6'0)



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What if I don't want any of them?

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