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 Oilers sign dman Jerabek [message #717783]
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https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-sign-defenceman-jerabek-1.1160389

Well then, shut down shop and head back to cabin Pete, your work here is done!



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Gator21 wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 14:54

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-sign-defenceman-jerabek-1.1160389

Well then, shut down shop and head back to cabin Pete, your work here is done!

"Stanley Cup Champion" Jakub Jerabek! Arguably do we even need to sign Nurse now?



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....seems like a value deal

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jakub-jerabek

....still need Nurse, as far as I'm concerned.....just don't know if there is enough in the piggy bank to get him to sign even a one yaer deal before the season starts




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I don't have a clue about him. Jonathan Willis who's a big time advanced stats guy thinks it's a great signing. confused2


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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 15:10

....seems like a value deal

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jakub-jerabek

....still need Nurse, as far as I'm concerned.....just don't know if there is enough in the piggy bank to get him to sign even a one yaer deal before the season starts


It would be nice if the Oilers stopped playing games on their stupid press releases and just said what they actually signed a player to. Annoying that we have to wait to find out how much they actually are paying him.

Even if it's league minimum, it's just a little more money we don't have with which to sign Nurse. Maybe the strategy is spend the cap space and then try to convince Darnell that he NEEDS to sign for >$3MM because we physically can't give him the money?

If I'm Scottie Upshall, I am not loving the math here...it's going to be hard to get a contract from a team that can't afford to bring you in.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 16:27

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 15:10

....seems like a value deal

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jakub-jerabek

....still need Nurse, as far as I'm concerned.....just don't know if there is enough in the piggy bank to get him to sign even a one yaer deal before the season starts


It would be nice if the Oilers stopped playing games on their stupid press releases and just said what they actually signed a player to. Annoying that we have to wait to find out how much they actually are paying him.

Even if it's league minimum, it's just a little more money we don't have with which to sign Nurse. Maybe the strategy is spend the cap space and then try to convince Darnell that he NEEDS to sign for >$3MM because we physically can't give him the money?

If I'm Scottie Upshall, I am not loving the math here...it's going to be hard to get a contract from a team that can't afford to bring you in.

Stauffer says it's a one way deal too. because anybody who can hang with the Cup champs for 11 games can definitely pull off 82 with the Oilers.



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I think they're trading Nurse.


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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 16:27



If I'm Scottie Upshall, I am not loving the math here...it's going to be hard to get a contract from a team that can't afford to bring you in.


Oilers are getting mighty high on the number of contracts too. If Upshall signs, and Safin, Maksimov, Samorukov, and Bouchard are slide, I *think* they are at 47. There's a few other guys who could slide as well (Skinner, Yamamoto), but I think the Oilers want to get them into AHL. (Safin could play in the AHL also, but I imagine he goes back to junior to help with the contract situation).

Maybe this is why Gryba was bought out? (I'm being sarcastic. It was terrible and we all know it).

I imagine the Oilers will want to clear some contracts... Montoya, Stanton, Callahan, possibly Aberg, Kassian, or Caggiula. Problem is, apart from Kassian, who really wants to add any of these guys?



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 19:23

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 16:27



If I'm Scottie Upshall, I am not loving the math here...it's going to be hard to get a contract from a team that can't afford to bring you in.


Oilers are getting mighty high on the number of contracts too. If Upshall signs, and Safin, Maksimov, Samorukov, and Bouchard are slide, I *think* they are at 47. There's a few other guys who could slide as well (Skinner, Yamamoto), but I think the Oilers want to get them into AHL. (Safin could play in the AHL also, but I imagine he goes back to junior to help with the contract situation).

Maybe this is why Gryba was bought out? (I'm being sarcastic. It was terrible and we all know it).

I imagine the Oilers will want to clear some contracts... Montoya, Stanton, Callahan, possibly Aberg, Kassian, or Caggiula. Problem is, apart from Kassian, who really wants to add any of these guys?


Aw man, I was so ready to say the bolded after reading your 1st paragraph :)




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Based on what I have read and some talk on the Gregor show from a Montreal beat guy. He supposedly skates well, moves the puck well, has a good shot, good offensive instincts and he thought he could play on the PP. I don't know what that means but if he can play, he would do things the Oilers could use rather than be another defensive dman. We shall see I guess.


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Why is everyone dumping on the reigning, defending Stanley Cup champion ... Jakub Jerabek? He doubles the amount of Stanley Cup rings the on-ice personnel have to 2.

But seriously, he's a warm body to play defence. Can't count on Sekera having a single productive minute this year, so somebody has to play. The other option is KLowe.



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 16:53

Why is everyone dumping on the reigning, defending Stanley Cup champion ... Jakub Jerabek? He doubles the amount of Stanley Cup rings the on-ice personnel have to 2.

But seriously, he's a warm body to play defence. Can't count on Sekera having a single productive minute this year, so somebody has to play. The other option is KLowe.


Didn't play enough regular season games, nor did he play in the finals, so unfortunately no cup ring for him.

But, still, I agree 100% with your analysis.


Actually. Maybe he does still have a ring. It's up to the team for him to get one, so maybe they were nice. Just no name on the cup.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 16:59

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 20 August 2018 16:53

Why is everyone dumping on the reigning, defending Stanley Cup champion ... Jakub Jerabek? He doubles the amount of Stanley Cup rings the on-ice personnel have to 2.

But seriously, he's a warm body to play defence. Can't count on Sekera having a single productive minute this year, so somebody has to play. The other option is KLowe.


Didn't play enough regular season games, nor did he play in the finals, so unfortunately no cup ring for him.

But, still, I agree 100% with your analysis.


Actually. Maybe he does still have a ring. It's up to the team for him to get one, so maybe they were nice. Just no name on the cup.


And regardless, he watched a lot of high-calibre hockey this spring! He can teach the team all about the intensity of practices in the Stanley Cup playoffs and the level of pampering that comes with partying as a Cup Champion!!!

From his stats, he looks like a better bet to play actual hockey at an NHL level than either of Gravel or Lowe. He'll still need to have a hell of a camp if he's going to keep the Oilers from pushing their first round pick immediately in to a prime-time role...



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Jerabek's last appearance: He was playing the playoffs for the 2018 cup winning team.



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Twitter is ripping this enough. Depth signing. One dimensial dman. I’m happy with this. At least his dimension is offence and he could be given a shot in Edmonton.

Hope he gets more of a chance than Auvito did.



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The Oilers needed a RH #4. They got another LH #6/7.

I really would have rather they moved an asset and tried to get a better defenseman (Faulk, Petrovic). If they were going to go UFA, I'd have prefered Enstrom or Davidson (although both these guys are lefties). But maybe the cost was too much, I can't say for sure.

Look, I think Jerabek is very likely better than Keegan Lowe, and has some upside. So, I guess they are better today than yesterday in that sense.

But this seems like a guy you sign instead of Gravel. As it stands now, one of those two will be in the lineup every night. Both of them if there is an injury.

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Benning
Russell / Gravel
Jerabek


Every one of the bottom half of our defense is likely playing one spot higher on the depth chart than they should be. And I'm skeptical if that is the defense of a playoff team; I doubt it's a defense of a competitive team.

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Looks like they choose Jerabek over Davidson...

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/brandon-davidson-decline s-pto-from-oilers/

Kinda wanted Davey back, thought he was a steadying presence on the bottom pair when he was back briefly. I guess we'll see if Jerabek or Gravel are any better



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Gator21 wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 13:09

Looks like they choose Jerabek over Davidson...

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/brandon-davidson-decline s-pto-from-oilers/

Kinda wanted Davey back, thought he was a steadying presence on the bottom pair when he was back briefly. I guess we'll see if Jerabek or Gravel are any better


I guess the only issue with Davidson is while he is a nice story, they have had him twice now and he doesn't really do anything. He can go out there, play in your 3rd pair, at times give you OK, non eventful mins but not a lot happens. This guy supposedly skates really well, moves the puck really well and has offensive dimension. So maybe he can create something where as we know Davidson won't.



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$1MM for Jerabek. Even Matheson questioning that:

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Jerabek gets $1 mil one-way deal from Oilers? Geez, that's a lot when other free-agents are getting $650,000 like Ennis and Duclair

3:36 PM - 21 Aug 2018


It sure is a lot to tie up in a guy with under half a season of NHL experience when you're already against a wall, and struggling to get Nurse under contract...

One more of those thousand cuts, eh Chiarelli?



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Adam wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 15:49

$1MM for Jerabek. Even Matheson questioning that:

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Jim Matheson
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Jerabek gets $1 mil one-way deal from Oilers? Geez, that's a lot when other free-agents are getting $650,000 like Ennis and Duclair

3:36 PM - 21 Aug 2018


It sure is a lot to tie up in a guy with under half a season of NHL experience when you're already against a wall, and struggling to get Nurse under contract...

One more of those thousand cuts, eh Chiarelli?


Overpays

Kassian: 450k
Caggiula: 500k
Brodziak: 200k
Benning: 400k
Jerabek: 250k

That's 1.75MM just on the bottom of the roster. The 1.5MM without signing Jerabek would have given us enough cap room to sign Nurse.

Edit: Wrong button.

PC must be the weakest negotiator in the league, buckling under even the slight of pressure from agents.

[Updated on: Tue, 21 August 2018 16:17]


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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 16:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 15:49

$1MM for Jerabek. Even Matheson questioning that:

Quote:

Jim Matheson
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Jerabek gets $1 mil one-way deal from Oilers? Geez, that's a lot when other free-agents are getting $650,000 like Ennis and Duclair

3:36 PM - 21 Aug 2018


It sure is a lot to tie up in a guy with under half a season of NHL experience when you're already against a wall, and struggling to get Nurse under contract...

One more of those thousand cuts, eh Chiarelli?


Overpays

Kassian: 450k
Caggiula: 500k
Brodziak: 200k
Benning: 400k
Jerabek: 250k

That's 1.75MM just on the bottom of the roster. The 1.5MM without signing Jerabek would have given us enough cap room to sign Nurse.

Edit: Wrong button.

PC must be the weakest negotiator in the league, buckling under even the slight of pressure from agents.


And that's before the big ones like Lucic or the ridiculous $1.633MM we're using up in buyouts...including a Gryba buyout that was apparently just out of the goodness of Chia's heart...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 16:20

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 16:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 15:49

$1MM for Jerabek. Even Matheson questioning that:

Quote:

Jim Matheson
‏@NHLbyMatty

Jerabek gets $1 mil one-way deal from Oilers? Geez, that's a lot when other free-agents are getting $650,000 like Ennis and Duclair

3:36 PM - 21 Aug 2018


It sure is a lot to tie up in a guy with under half a season of NHL experience when you're already against a wall, and struggling to get Nurse under contract...

One more of those thousand cuts, eh Chiarelli?


Overpays

Kassian: 450k
Caggiula: 500k
Brodziak: 200k
Benning: 400k
Jerabek: 250k

That's 1.75MM just on the bottom of the roster. The 1.5MM without signing Jerabek would have given us enough cap room to sign Nurse.

Edit: Wrong button.

PC must be the weakest negotiator in the league, buckling under even the slight of pressure from agents.


And that's before the big ones like Lucic or the ridiculous $1.633MM we're using up in buyouts...including a Gryba buyout that was apparently just out of the goodness of Chia's heart...


Oh lordy, I forgot about the Gryba & Pouliot buyouts. 3.38MM in cap space lost to PC's incompetence. That's a legit NHL'er worth of dead space... Brandon Montour signed for 3.3875MM, Danault for a shade over 3.0MM.

Stuff like Lucic and Russell are a whole other level. Not overpaying the bottom of the roster by 20+% is the absolute basics of GM-ing. Absolutely embarrassing.



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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 16:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 15:49

$1MM for Jerabek. Even Matheson questioning that:

Quote:

Jim Matheson
‏@NHLbyMatty

Jerabek gets $1 mil one-way deal from Oilers? Geez, that's a lot when other free-agents are getting $650,000 like Ennis and Duclair

3:36 PM - 21 Aug 2018


It sure is a lot to tie up in a guy with under half a season of NHL experience when you're already against a wall, and struggling to get Nurse under contract...

One more of those thousand cuts, eh Chiarelli?


Overpays

Kassian: 450k
Caggiula: 500k
Brodziak: 200k
Benning: 400k
Jerabek: 250k

That's 1.75MM just on the bottom of the roster. The 1.5MM without signing Jerabek would have given us enough cap room to sign Nurse.

Edit: Wrong button.

PC must be the weakest negotiator in the league, buckling under even the slight of pressure from agents.


Plus Koskinen: 500k
Draisaitl: 1.5 M

and even McDavid I think was overpaid given that the highest paid player in the league at that time was $10mil and had multiple cups, plus bought up strictly UFA years



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Plus Koskinen: 500k
Draisaitl: 1.5 M

and even McDavid I think was overpaid given that the highest paid player in the league at that time was $10mil and had multiple cups, plus bought up strictly UFA years


If the Oilers narrative of the McDavid negotiations was correct, and it was Orr & McDavid who actually suggested a lower number so that the Oilers could still be competitive, it's a goddamn disgrace.

What GM worth his salt isn't asking his best player for the best deal he can give him to give him the flexibility to build around him?

It's possible it's just something the team said in order to try to soothe anyone in the market who went googly-eyed over the massive number that #97 received, but given the other moves the GM has made, it's also entirely plausible that the Oilers went in to the negotiation just thinking they had to keep McDavid happy so that he didn't demand a trade, and they would have agreed to any number.

I don't know that as the GM I would want to be telling the world I needed the player to suggest something other than top dollar...



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Gator21 wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 18:45

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 16:15

Adam wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 15:49

$1MM for Jerabek. Even Matheson questioning that:

Quote:

Jim Matheson
‏@NHLbyMatty

Jerabek gets $1 mil one-way deal from Oilers? Geez, that's a lot when other free-agents are getting $650,000 like Ennis and Duclair

3:36 PM - 21 Aug 2018


It sure is a lot to tie up in a guy with under half a season of NHL experience when you're already against a wall, and struggling to get Nurse under contract...

One more of those thousand cuts, eh Chiarelli?


Overpays

Kassian: 450k
Caggiula: 500k
Brodziak: 200k
Benning: 400k
Jerabek: 250k

That's 1.75MM just on the bottom of the roster. The 1.5MM without signing Jerabek would have given us enough cap room to sign Nurse.

Edit: Wrong button.

PC must be the weakest negotiator in the league, buckling under even the slight of pressure from agents.


Plus Koskinen: 500k
Draisaitl: 1.5 M

and even McDavid I think was overpaid given that the highest paid player in the league at that time was $10mil and had multiple cups, plus bought up strictly UFA years

You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?


I will never have a problem with that McDavid deal. All he had to do was wait 1 more year and he would be getting 15M+ offer sheets. His cap % was in line with all the recent greats.

It's stupid that he had to go out of his way to give Chia a discount for sure, but that is not a deal that you can complain about. Up to the GM to surround a once in 10 years player with a good support cast with the remaining 60M+ of cap space. Chia and the OBC are failing miserably.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 09:04

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?


I will never have a problem with that McDavid deal. All he had to do was wait 1 more year and he would be getting 15M+ offer sheets. His cap % was in line with all the recent greats.

It's stupid that he had to go out of his way to give Chia a discount for sure, but that is not a deal that you can complain about. Up to the GM to surround a once in 10 years player with a good support cast with the remaining 60M+ of cap space. Chia and the OBC are failing miserably.


Agreed - McDavid was always able to get whatever he wanted...but the narrative from the Oilers still bothers me. The job of the GM in those negotiations is to convince the player that the less he takes, the more you can help him.

Of course, signing Russell to a 4x$4MM deal two weaks earlier probably was enough to show that they'd just frivolously spend whatever McDavid left on the table. We really are lucky he didn't ask for $15MM...



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Adam wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?


There wasn't a reporter or hockey guy who thought McDavid was overpaid. I don't think I have ever heard anyone except some Oilers fans say that McDavid could have been had for less and in fact all say he TOOK less money. His percentage of the cap was on par with Crosby.

It is mind boggling to me people in here actually believe of all people that McDavid is overpaid. Matthews will probably get 12 mill and he's not even CLOSE to McDavid.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 10:07

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?


There wasn't a reporter or hockey guy who thought McDavid was overpaid. I don't think I have ever heard anyone except some Oilers fans say that McDavid could have been had for less and in fact all say he TOOK less money. His percentage of the cap was on par with Crosby.

It is mind boggling to me people in here actually believe of all people that McDavid is overpaid. Matthews will probably get 12 mill and he's not even CLOSE to McDavid.


The distinction made by others of saying he is overpaid VS could have been signed cheaper is a very important one.

McDavid could have asked for, received and earned every dollar of a max contract. The difference is that as usual PC didn't get the best deal he could by all accounts.

This is the recurring theme of almost every signing that most here don't like about his negotiations. Very few of us think that McDavid, Drai, and all the way down to Lucic and Russell dont serve a purpose on the team or are good at filling a role for a well built team. The issue is that almost every signing is an overpay based on what could have been done.
The only exception may be Lucic as you always overpay in the FA market. My issue there was need, talent and decision making. Someone was going to pay Lucic that much, just too bad it was the Oilers.



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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 11:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 10:07

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?


There wasn't a reporter or hockey guy who thought McDavid was overpaid. I don't think I have ever heard anyone except some Oilers fans say that McDavid could have been had for less and in fact all say he TOOK less money. His percentage of the cap was on par with Crosby.

It is mind boggling to me people in here actually believe of all people that McDavid is overpaid. Matthews will probably get 12 mill and he's not even CLOSE to McDavid.


The distinction made by others of saying he is overpaid VS could have been signed cheaper is a very important one.

McDavid could have asked for, received and earned every dollar of a max contract. The difference is that as usual PC didn't get the best deal he could by all accounts.

This is the recurring theme of almost every signing that most here don't like about his negotiations. Very few of us think that McDavid, Drai, and all the way down to Lucic and Russell dont serve a purpose on the team or are good at filling a role for a well built team. The issue is that almost every signing is an overpay based on what could have been done.
The only exception may be Lucic as you always overpay in the FA market. My issue there was need, talent and decision making. Someone was going to pay Lucic that much, just too bad it was the Oilers.


With the Lucic one it was term though. He apparently turned down more money to play here. would he have taken a shorter deal? I will fully admit i was thrilled by the signing but I always said that the term wasn't a concern of Chia's because he simply won't be here.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:03

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 11:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 10:07

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 08:24


You think McDavid who's won back to back scoring titles, the hart and back to back Ted Lindsay's which is the trophy for the best player in the league voted by the players is overpaid? WOW. Tavares just got 11 mill and no one batted an eye at it because apparently that is market value for him and Tavares I am sorry isn't even CLOSE to as good as McDavid.

Oilers fans are seriously baffling to me. Only this fan base would suggest McDavid is overpaid and then actually have people debate its validity.


I think the argument is that McDavid could possibly have been had for cheaper, not that he's truly overpaid. He was always going to make top dollar, but what that number was was always negotiable. Do you believe that Chiarelli got the best contract he could have with McDavid?

Do you believe that if it was really McDavid who suggested he'd take less, that Chiarelli was doing a good job managing the cap when in those negotiations?


There wasn't a reporter or hockey guy who thought McDavid was overpaid. I don't think I have ever heard anyone except some Oilers fans say that McDavid could have been had for less and in fact all say he TOOK less money. His percentage of the cap was on par with Crosby.

It is mind boggling to me people in here actually believe of all people that McDavid is overpaid. Matthews will probably get 12 mill and he's not even CLOSE to McDavid.


The distinction made by others of saying he is overpaid VS could have been signed cheaper is a very important one.

McDavid could have asked for, received and earned every dollar of a max contract. The difference is that as usual PC didn't get the best deal he could by all accounts.

This is the recurring theme of almost every signing that most here don't like about his negotiations. Very few of us think that McDavid, Drai, and all the way down to Lucic and Russell dont serve a purpose on the team or are good at filling a role for a well built team. The issue is that almost every signing is an overpay based on what could have been done.
The only exception may be Lucic as you always overpay in the FA market. My issue there was need, talent and decision making. Someone was going to pay Lucic that much, just too bad it was the Oilers.


With the Lucic one it was term though. He apparently turned down more money to play here. would he have taken a shorter deal? I will fully admit i was thrilled by the signing but I always said that the term wasn't a concern of Chia's because he simply won't be here.


Agreed, everyone outside of the team thought the term was too long. Although I wouldnt be surprised if Lucic had that much term elsewhere so the Oilers caved.
Overall it speaks to the decision making of PC and not just his terrible negotiations. He seems to get tunnel vision. Decides he wants to sign a player and gives them what they want. If someone else ups the ante he matches.
None of us will ever know all of the details behind closed doors but pretty much every signing has a leaked detail about him caving in.
Just once I would like to hear a story of him walking away from a bad deal or bad demand from an agent. If he did that from time to time the high number of anchor contracts would not be a constant issue.



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 23 August 2018 12:08


Agreed, everyone outside of the team thought the term was too long. Although I wouldnt be surprised if Lucic had that much term elsewhere so the Oilers caved.
Overall it speaks to the decision making of PC and not just his terrible negotiations. He seems to get tunnel vision. Decides he wants to sign a player and gives them what they want. If someone else ups the ante he matches.
None of us will ever know all of the details behind closed doors but pretty much every signing has a leaked detail about him caving in.
Just once I would like to hear a story of him walking away from a bad deal or bad demand from an agent. If he did that from time to time the high number of anchor contracts would not be a constant issue.



I do not doubt that Lucic could have gotten the same contract he signed with the Oilers with at least a half dozen other teams. It's a mistake that the Oilers signed him to that deal, but it wasn't a true overpayment in the way that the Russell deal was - where it's unlikely ANYONE else would have given him the contract that Chiarelli did.

I wrote a piece months before we signed Lucic pointing out the high likelihood of someone signing him to big bucks and long term, the likelihood of his play seeing a serious decline and the sincere wish the Oilers weren't going to be the team to make that mistake:
http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=665465& ;rid=1325&SQ=b310b6cdcd4b30cb720110cd52409591#msg_665465

The Oilers actually got him for slightly less than I thought he might get. It was always just such an inevitability that this is how Lucic's next contract would play out, so that's just one where you have to wish that we had had the foresight to forecast out his play, rather than getting in to an auction that we were unfortunate enough to win.

To be fair to Chiarelli, he seems to be good at knocking down the NHL-side comp for 2-way deals with players who are still in the AHL when their first contract expires. If you're looking for one positive in his negotiating acumen, then you can at least grab and hold on to that!



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Adam wrote on Thu, 23 August 2018 16:01

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 23 August 2018 12:08


Agreed, everyone outside of the team thought the term was too long. Although I wouldnt be surprised if Lucic had that much term elsewhere so the Oilers caved.
Overall it speaks to the decision making of PC and not just his terrible negotiations. He seems to get tunnel vision. Decides he wants to sign a player and gives them what they want. If someone else ups the ante he matches.
None of us will ever know all of the details behind closed doors but pretty much every signing has a leaked detail about him caving in.
Just once I would like to hear a story of him walking away from a bad deal or bad demand from an agent. If he did that from time to time the high number of anchor contracts would not be a constant issue.



I do not doubt that Lucic could have gotten the same contract he signed with the Oilers with at least a half dozen other teams. It's a mistake that the Oilers signed him to that deal, but it wasn't a true overpayment in the way that the Russell deal was - where it's unlikely ANYONE else would have given him the contract that Chiarelli did.

I wrote a piece months before we signed Lucic pointing out the high likelihood of someone signing him to big bucks and long term, the likelihood of his play seeing a serious decline and the sincere wish the Oilers weren't going to be the team to make that mistake:
http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=665465& ;amp ;rid=1325&SQ=b310b6cdcd4b30cb720110cd52409591#msg_665465

The Oilers actually got him for slightly less than I thought he might get. It was always just such an inevitability that this is how Lucic's next contract would play out, so that's just one where you have to wish that we had had the foresight to forecast out his play, rather than getting in to an auction that we were unfortunate enough to win.

To be fair to Chiarelli, he seems to be good at knocking down the NHL-side comp for 2-way deals with players who are still in the AHL when their first contract expires. If you're looking for one positive in his negotiating acumen, then you can at least grab and hold on to that!



I agreed with you on Lucic's performance, but I thought all the GMs would be too smart to sign him for big dollars. Then, Oilers.



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I think it's safe to say that Dustin Nielson is officially on the take:

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/the-nielson-ratings-part -2-an-edmonton-oilers-offseason-review/

Nielson objectivity rating: F-



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Magnum wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:03

I think it's safe to say that Dustin Nielson is officially on the take:

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/the-nielson-ratings-part -2-an-edmonton-oilers-offseason-review/

Nielson objectivity rating: F-

Heard him say that on the radio. Crazy to think that putting your team in cap hell, which prevents you from making any significant moves, would be enough to get a positive review. That being said, I don't see Nielson as an authority on sports. I like him as a host but would put his knowledge level at or near the bottom compared to most other radio personalities. Like, he knows stats, but isn't great at extrapolating data like Lowetide or even Gregor (minus his Remenda-esque love of the Sharks).



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:14

Magnum wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:03

I think it's safe to say that Dustin Nielson is officially on the take:

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/the-nielson-ratings-part -2-an-edmonton-oilers-offseason-review/

Nielson objectivity rating: F-

Heard him say that on the radio. Crazy to think that putting your team in cap hell, which prevents you from making any significant moves, would be enough to get a positive review. That being said, I don't see Nielson as an authority on sports. I like him as a host but would put his knowledge level at or near the bottom compared to most other radio personalities. Like, he knows stats, but isn't great at extrapolating data like Lowetide or even Gregor (minus his Remenda-esque love of the Sharks).


He could just be terrible at grading, or thinking.

One of the three must be true. I'd rather be dumb than dishonest.



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Magnum wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 13:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:14

Magnum wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:03

I think it's safe to say that Dustin Nielson is officially on the take:

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/the-nielson-ratings-part -2-an-edmonton-oilers-offseason-review/

Nielson objectivity rating: F-

Heard him say that on the radio. Crazy to think that putting your team in cap hell, which prevents you from making any significant moves, would be enough to get a positive review. That being said, I don't see Nielson as an authority on sports. I like him as a host but would put his knowledge level at or near the bottom compared to most other radio personalities. Like, he knows stats, but isn't great at extrapolating data like Lowetide or even Gregor (minus his Remenda-esque love of the Sharks).


He could just be terrible at grading, or thinking.

One of the three must be true. I'd rather be dumb than dishonest.

Every move was graded on its own at no worse than a C+ (whoever that backup goalie from the KHL is that we'll all forget existed, except as a curio in 3 years). This is all well in good (if not maybe a little generous) but it treats every piece of the Oilers' puzzle as something that exists in a vacuum which, if you think about it, is the reasons the Oilers have been so bad for so long. No larger vision. No plan. No foresight. No acknowledgement of the larger scope needed to build a good hockey team.

Truthfully, his grades aren't far off, if every move is taken as an individual one-off, but we've seen this movie before. Somehow it'll all manifest in a way that, for some reason, doesn't go to plan. Oilers hockey man.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 14:28

Magnum wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 13:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:14

Magnum wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 12:03

I think it's safe to say that Dustin Nielson is officially on the take:

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/the-nielson-ratings-part -2-an-edmonton-oilers-offseason-review/

Nielson objectivity rating: F-

Heard him say that on the radio. Crazy to think that putting your team in cap hell, which prevents you from making any significant moves, would be enough to get a positive review. That being said, I don't see Nielson as an authority on sports. I like him as a host but would put his knowledge level at or near the bottom compared to most other radio personalities. Like, he knows stats, but isn't great at extrapolating data like Lowetide or even Gregor (minus his Remenda-esque love of the Sharks).


He could just be terrible at grading, or thinking.

One of the three must be true. I'd rather be dumb than dishonest.

Every move was graded on its own at no worse than a C+ (whoever that backup goalie from the KHL is that we'll all forget existed, except as a curio in 3 years). This is all well in good (if not maybe a little generous) but it treats every piece of the Oilers' puzzle as something that exists in a vacuum which, if you think about it, is the reasons the Oilers have been so bad for so long. No larger vision. No plan. No foresight. No acknowledgement of the larger scope needed to build a good hockey team.

Truthfully, his grades aren't far off, if every move is taken as an individual one-off, but we've seen this movie before. Somehow it'll all manifest in a way that, for some reason, doesn't go to plan. Oilers hockey man.


I think the evidence that he's not a hockey expert and shouldn't be looked to for that is the part where he suggests that the Oilers saved $300K cap space with the Gryba buy-out. Any sportswriter worth their salt should know that that is not the case. The Oilers have a $300K cap hit where they would have had none if they'd only played Gryba in the minors.

One of the reasons that people argued against me that that wasn't THAT bad a contract when Chiarelli gave it to Gryba last summer was that you could bury him in the minors and it wouldn't hurt the cap...somehow Chiarelli managed to make that even worse.

B-...that's such a joke.

The A- overall is also silly. Chiarelli didn't make any horrendous mistakes this summer, so we're already worlds ahead of the last three years, but just not blowing it isn't a very high bar to set.

And if I'm grading, I don't give "signed a 25-year old AHLer" anything higher than a C grade. It just doesn't move the needle for the team. I can't give "Sign Tobias Rieder" an A+, because what would that mean if he had found a first pairing d-man? If that's all you need for an A+, what would have Shero's rating been two summers ago when he got a first line all-star winger who'd go on to win a Hart Trophy for a defence-first defenceman?



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