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Strome Signed 2yrs 3.1 AAV

"For the first time in my career, I've found a little bit of a home," the 24-year-old said by phone from a friend's cottage in Prince Edward Island. "Towards the end of the season, I started to really feel comfortable.
"I told my agent, 'I'm a big believer in what's going on in Edmonton.

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About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.


There has to be a trade this summer to offload some cap.

As an aside, does that $4.978M include the $1M of Montoya in the minors?



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OilMJMOil wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 15:25

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.


There has to be a trade this summer to offload some cap.

As an aside, does that $4.978M include the $1M of Montoya in the minors?



Looks like thats with Montoya buried.

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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 16:13

OilMJMOil wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 15:25

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.


There has to be a trade this summer to offload some cap.

As an aside, does that $4.978M include the $1M of Montoya in the minors?



Looks like thats with Montoya buried.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

I hope Puljujarvi isn't counting on hitting his bonus numbers.



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 Re: Strome Signed 2yrs 3.1 AAV [message #716764 is a reply to message #716763 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 16:35

PoolParty wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 16:13

OilMJMOil wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 15:25

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.


There has to be a trade this summer to offload some cap.

As an aside, does that $4.978M include the $1M of Montoya in the minors?



Looks like thats with Montoya buried.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

I hope Puljujarvi isn't counting on hitting his bonus numbers.


The bonus numbers for Yamamoto are so much more team friendly that I think the Oilers will be incented to keep #98 on the third line most of the year...



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 Re: Strome Signed 2yrs 3.1 AAV [message #716765 is a reply to message #716755 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.


They probably are okay to go long term on Nurse if they move Kassian. If they moved out more than that, they could add another winger or two, perhaps even Maroon if he continues to go unsigned.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 17:41

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:37

About what was expected.. Whats left in cap space for Nurse? Would like to get rid of Sekera's contract so we could get Nurse long term for reasonable pricing, but looks like a bridge, and we'll pay more later...


The Oilers have $4.978MM cap space remaining.

That doesn't take in to account bonuses, so if Puljujarvi, Yamamoto or Bouchard hit bonuses it could have an impact on the next year's cap.


They probably are okay to go long term on Nurse if they move Kassian. If they moved out more than that, they could add another winger or two, perhaps even Maroon if he continues to go unsigned.


Kassian is definitely a good target to move. He's a guy who probably has a little value around the league, and he's overpaid for what he brings. But if you move him out, now you need another winger. The Oilers are probably short one NHL forward as it is...

Also, you're putting a lot on the plate of poor Pete. Don't you know the cabin is calling?



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...don't recall a player taking the kind of action Strome is to improve his play....

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-f-strome-to-have-vision-training-1 .1135273

..."I've always kind of had an eye that doesn't see as well as the other, so I've tried a different approach.

"I'm seeing a specialist in Toronto to try and make my eyes work together."....

....have to give credit to Strome....doing what he can to bring his game up a few notches....something more than weight-lifting and push-ups.....






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My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


I thought it interesting that Bob Stauffer said on twitter:

Quote:


Pretty interesting comments from Ryan Strome on @OilersNow
Strome is doing "vision training" in the off-season.
He was snake-bit offensively last season.
Hopefully the "vision training" translates to greater offensive success


As the official team mouthpiece, I wonder if the Oilers actually believe that Strome was snakebit last year. It was his second best season for goals, assists and points. Considering he played very little time with McDavid (I think I saw 55 minutes?) his 13-21-34 stat line is actually pretty solid for a third line center.

It would be a mistake for the team to expect any big jump in production for Strome this year. 30-35 points is a reasonable expectation for him, and anything more should be considered a bonus.

If he DID get a bit of a push with McDavid and had a 40+ point year in 2018-19, the team should consider selling high on him...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:44

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


I thought it interesting that Bob Stauffer said on twitter:

Quote:


Pretty interesting comments from Ryan Strome on @OilersNow
Strome is doing "vision training" in the off-season.
He was snake-bit offensively last season.
Hopefully the "vision training" translates to greater offensive success


As the official team mouthpiece, I wonder if the Oilers actually believe that Strome was snakebit last year. It was his second best season for goals, assists and points. Considering he played very little time with McDavid (I think I saw 55 minutes?) his 13-21-34 stat line is actually pretty solid for a third line center.

It would be a mistake for the team to expect any big jump in production for Strome this year. 30-35 points is a reasonable expectation for him, and anything more should be considered a bonus.

If he DID get a bit of a push with McDavid and had a 40+ point year in 2018-19, the team should consider selling high on him...


Stauffer went on about how Strome hit a bunch of posts and stuff and how if those go in he's way up there in points. I wonder if any other players hit the post last season or if that was just Strome...



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:47

Adam wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:44

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


I thought it interesting that Bob Stauffer said on twitter:

Quote:


Pretty interesting comments from Ryan Strome on @OilersNow
Strome is doing "vision training" in the off-season.
He was snake-bit offensively last season.
Hopefully the "vision training" translates to greater offensive success


As the official team mouthpiece, I wonder if the Oilers actually believe that Strome was snakebit last year. It was his second best season for goals, assists and points. Considering he played very little time with McDavid (I think I saw 55 minutes?) his 13-21-34 stat line is actually pretty solid for a third line center.

It would be a mistake for the team to expect any big jump in production for Strome this year. 30-35 points is a reasonable expectation for him, and anything more should be considered a bonus.

If he DID get a bit of a push with McDavid and had a 40+ point year in 2018-19, the team should consider selling high on him...


Stauffer went on about how Strome hit a bunch of posts and stuff and how if those go in he's way up there in points. I wonder if any other players hit the post last season or if that was just Strome...


They talked about posts and Jordan Eberle the year before and suggested basically that he needed to bear down a little more so that those start going in...

There's a certain element of luck in the game, but talking about posts as if next year those might all be goals is silly.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:44



It would be a mistake for the team to expect any big jump in production for Strome this year.




I agree it would be a mistake but it has become one of the most predicable methodologies of the club. Every year they have unrealistic expectations of improvement on a large amount of players.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 09:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


I was thinking the same thing... Or Eberle working on his shot 2 summers ago. I get that there's not a lot of news over the summer, but it's clear the team/media try to build up certain players. It's like they need to make sure the fan base knows that certain players are actually working on things and not just kicking it on the beach. I mean why aren't we getting daily media hits on Lucic's workout and training schedule? Shouldn't that be the player they "build up" over the summer? Rhetorical question.



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jds308 wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 11:26

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 09:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


I was thinking the same thing... Or Eberle working on his shot 2 summers ago. I get that there's not a lot of news over the summer, but it's clear the team/media try to build up certain players. It's like they need to make sure the fan base knows that certain players are actually working on things and not just kicking it on the beach. I mean why aren't we getting daily media hits on Lucic's workout and training schedule? Shouldn't that be the player they "build up" over the summer? Rhetorical question.


And we're certainly not getting daily updates on the Red Wine Committee, who are hard at work in the office making the team better and definitely not kicking it at the cottage.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


Whether or not Strome doing this eye stuff helps his game is beside the point in my books. I would much rather a player be going out and trying whatever is available to maybe improve his game even the in the slightest way vs shrugging their shoulders and saying "i'm fine" and doing the same old same old that was the case for the Oilers former "core" and not improve at all.

Anyway. I am glad that Strome decided to do that. I hope it pays off. I also hope others on the Oilers have went out and decided to work over something they maybe normally didn't do that needs improving. The league as a whole is so close that if you can pick up a puck or get that shot off that split second earlier or win that one or 2 extra faceoffs, it can be the difference between winning or losing.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 11:39

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 10:35

My, admittedly jaded, opinion is that this is all fluff. Lots of players try different training techniques in the off-season. I remember Gagner had a whole thing where he worked on his balance one year. Strome will be exactly the same player next season. Bottom 6. 35ish points. And I won't be disappointed in him for that. I'll just be disappointed that the guy who traded away a 50-60 point player for a 35 point one still has his job.


Whether or not Strome doing this eye stuff helps his game is beside the point in my books. I would much rather a player be going out and trying whatever is available to maybe improve his game even the in the slightest way vs shrugging their shoulders and saying "i'm fine" and doing the same old same old that was the case for the Oilers former "core" and not improve at all.

Anyway. I am glad that Strome decided to do that. I hope it pays off. I also hope others on the Oilers have went out and decided to work over something they maybe normally didn't do that needs improving. The league as a whole is so close that if you can pick up a puck or get that shot off that split second earlier or win that one or 2 extra faceoffs, it can be the difference between winning or losing.


That's BS. They all trained in the summer. They all tried to work on something. This is fluff piece stuff, because it's pretty standard now for players to train hard in the summer and work to improve.

Unless you're talking about the 1980s core, because they definitely took a lot more time off than today's players. Of course, they won too...so no one cared.



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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 06:47

...don't recall a player taking the kind of action Strome is to improve his play....

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-f-strome-to-have-vision-training-1 .1135273

..."I've always kind of had an eye that doesn't see as well as the other, so I've tried a different approach.

"I'm seeing a specialist in Toronto to try and make my eyes work together."....

....have to give credit to Strome....doing what he can to bring his game up a few notches....something more than weight-lifting and push-ups.....






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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 10 July 2018 06:47

...don't recall a player taking the kind of action Strome is to improve his play....

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-f-strome-to-have-vision-training-1 .1135273

..."I've always kind of had an eye that doesn't see as well as the other, so I've tried a different approach.

"I'm seeing a specialist in Toronto to try and make my eyes work together."....

....have to give credit to Strome....doing what he can to bring his game up a few notches....something more than weight-lifting and push-ups.....





Odd how this became an article, it's even one of the headlines on the front page of TSN. I'm sure different players use many different training techniques in the off season.



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Exactly what I predicted and expected for Strome. That said, personally, it's more than I like to spend that far down the depth chart. But there's also worse places to spend that cap than a 25 year old, RH centre who will put up 30 points and can play in all situations.

I know they were UFAs, but Strome falls in between Derek Ryan and Riley Nash. He's also below Boone Jenner. It's not great market value, but it's probably fair.



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Two somewhat comparable players to Strome were signed today.

Flames sign 23yo RFA Elias Lindholm for 6 years and $29.1 million ($4.85 million AAV)
Ducks extend (1 year left on current deal) 28yo Adam Henrique for 5 years and $29.25 million ($5.85 million AAV)

Lindholm is younger, more consistent, and has more potential, but hasn't had a season as good as Strome's best. I just don't at all see why Anaheim signed that contract. Henrique will be a 29yo starting a 5 yr contract for nearly $6 million AAV. Makes me much happier with the Strome deal.



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 00:31

Two somewhat comparable players to Strome were signed today.

Flames sign 23yo RFA Elias Lindholm for 6 years and $29.1 million ($4.85 million AAV)
Ducks extend (1 year left on current deal) 28yo Adam Henrique for 5 years and $29.25 million ($5.85 million AAV)

Lindholm is younger, more consistent, and has more potential, but hasn't had a season as good as Strome's best. I just don't at all see why Anaheim signed that contract. Henrique will be a 29yo starting a 5 yr contract for nearly $6 million AAV. Makes me much happier with the Strome deal.


So funny that these deals happened on Monday. I thought it was cottage season and all the teams turned out the lights on their offices last Friday? Predators signed Hartman, the Rangers added to their coaching staff, the Devils announced some signings...

Maybe it's only the team closest to Bob Stauffer that shut it down completely.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 11:57

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 00:31

Two somewhat comparable players to Strome were signed today.

Flames sign 23yo RFA Elias Lindholm for 6 years and $29.1 million ($4.85 million AAV)
Ducks extend (1 year left on current deal) 28yo Adam Henrique for 5 years and $29.25 million ($5.85 million AAV)

Lindholm is younger, more consistent, and has more potential, but hasn't had a season as good as Strome's best. I just don't at all see why Anaheim signed that contract. Henrique will be a 29yo starting a 5 yr contract for nearly $6 million AAV. Makes me much happier with the Strome deal.


So funny that these deals happened on Monday. I thought it was cottage season and all the teams turned out the lights on their offices last Friday? Predators signed Hartman, the Rangers added to their coaching staff, the Devils announced some signings...

Maybe it's only the team closest to Bob Stauffer that shut it down completely.

It's July 17. The only notable contract they have left to sign is Nurse. Camp is what mid September. So they have 2 more months. The agent says they are looking for a bridge deal. I think and most of everyone agrees that unless the cap hit is so low on a long term, a bridge deal for the team is the way to go. Nurse isn't going to arbitration, they have his rights. I am sure they exchanged numbers. So I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract, the only thing I would like to see is maybe a few PTO's potentially but I don't see that happening until late August.

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I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract

Is this a serious question?

I don't know...working? At their jobs. Other teams are obviously doing that.

I guess in a way I see your point. They had a PLAN and clearly its been implemented to perfection. Boxes are checked! So yeah if they want to celebrate at the cabin, as long as they check their voicemail now and then its all good!



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Jay wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 12:55

I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract

Is this a serious question?

I don't know...working? At their jobs. Other teams are obviously doing that.

I guess in a way I see your point. They had a PLAN and clearly its been implemented to perfection. Boxes are checked! So yeah if they want to celebrate at the cabin, as long as they check their voicemail now and then its all good!


Why would the entire executive check out at the same time? We've seen this several summers in a row. The Oilers rush to finish all their tasks by mid-July. Anything undone doesn't get attention until late August. They literally check out for an entire month.

Everyone needs holidays, and that's fine...but should you really put the lights out for that period of time? Or maybe, just maybe you should have your AGM and GM have different scheduled breaks and they should continue work through the summer. Talk to agents, talk to free agents, talk to other teams. There's always something that could be improved.



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....somebody must be hanging out at the office....

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-bouchard /c-299507974




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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:57

....somebody must be hanging out at the office....

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-bouchard /c-299507974


It's a brave new world with cell phones and portable computers and wi-fi. Guys can do work while not in the office.

Wonder if there are some arbitration results Nurse's agent is looking for before settling on anything on the bridge deal.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:46

Jay wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 12:55

I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract

Is this a serious question?

I don't know...working? At their jobs. Other teams are obviously doing that.

I guess in a way I see your point. They had a PLAN and clearly its been implemented to perfection. Boxes are checked! So yeah if they want to celebrate at the cabin, as long as they check their voicemail now and then its all good!


Why would the entire executive check out at the same time? We've seen this several summers in a row. The Oilers rush to finish all their tasks by mid-July. Anything undone doesn't get attention until late August. They literally check out for an entire month.

Everyone needs holidays, and that's fine...but should you really put the lights out for that period of time? Or maybe, just maybe you should have your AGM and GM have different scheduled breaks and they should continue work through the summer. Talk to agents, talk to free agents, talk to other teams. There's always something that could be improved.


They just signed Bouchard to his entry level so you can take a step back from the ledge now.



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It's a huge negotiation because Bouchard will be asking for a ton of rookie bonuses, which will kill the cap if he actually hits them.

With a guy like McDavid, you just roll over and give him the max, for a 10th overall pick, I'm hoping they are fighting for every dollar.



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 15:08

It's a huge negotiation because Bouchard will be asking for a ton of rookie bonuses, which will kill the cap if he actually hits them.

With a guy like McDavid, you just roll over and give him the max, for a 10th overall pick, I'm hoping they are fighting for every dollar.


I expect that Darnell Nurse's first deal looks a lot like the deal Bouchard signed.

The rookie contracts haven't changed much since the 04/05 lockout, so GMs have a long history of what first round picks at various points in the draft have gotten historically. If you're in any particular band, there's extremely little to negotiate - you were a 10th overall pick? Here's what all the other 10th overall picks goty.

Of course, maybe I'm giving GMs too much credit, and agents can convince GMs that they're in love with the kid they just picked, forcing them to pay more than they should...

Still, I think this is one negotiation where Bettman and company could very easily produce easy-to-follow information for the GMs. The kids badly want to sign - even knowing they may not get to play for that team for years - and they have no leverage at all. They're rarely in the plans if they're not in the top 5 picks (or picked by the Oilers), so there's no desperation for the team to get them inked.

Other sports have been pretty clear on this before - it even plays a role in the movie Draft Day as the one player knows that if he drops down the draft it costs him significantly on his first payday. I can't imagine hockey hasn't at least figured out this one.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 14:24

Adam wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:46

Jay wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 12:55

I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract

Is this a serious question?

I don't know...working? At their jobs. Other teams are obviously doing that.

I guess in a way I see your point. They had a PLAN and clearly its been implemented to perfection. Boxes are checked! So yeah if they want to celebrate at the cabin, as long as they check their voicemail now and then its all good!


Why would the entire executive check out at the same time? We've seen this several summers in a row. The Oilers rush to finish all their tasks by mid-July. Anything undone doesn't get attention until late August. They literally check out for an entire month.

Everyone needs holidays, and that's fine...but should you really put the lights out for that period of time? Or maybe, just maybe you should have your AGM and GM have different scheduled breaks and they should continue work through the summer. Talk to agents, talk to free agents, talk to other teams. There's always something that could be improved.


They just signed Bouchard to his entry level so you can take a step back from the ledge now.


Yes, that must have been some serious labor intensive work there. “Here is your max.”

Oh yeah, also I’m guessing somebody used a yellow highlighter to indicate where to sign. Likely a scan and send too.

Just like the invoice the receptionist at the dealership hands you after hours when your repair work is done, but you can’t make it to the Service Dept before closing...



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g2k wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 18:08

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 14:24

Adam wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:46

Jay wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 12:55

I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract

Is this a serious question?

I don't know...working? At their jobs. Other teams are obviously doing that.

I guess in a way I see your point. They had a PLAN and clearly its been implemented to perfection. Boxes are checked! So yeah if they want to celebrate at the cabin, as long as they check their voicemail now and then its all good!


Why would the entire executive check out at the same time? We've seen this several summers in a row. The Oilers rush to finish all their tasks by mid-July. Anything undone doesn't get attention until late August. They literally check out for an entire month.

Everyone needs holidays, and that's fine...but should you really put the lights out for that period of time? Or maybe, just maybe you should have your AGM and GM have different scheduled breaks and they should continue work through the summer. Talk to agents, talk to free agents, talk to other teams. There's always something that could be improved.


They just signed Bouchard to his entry level so you can take a step back from the ledge now.


Yes, that must have been some serious labor intensive work there. “Here is your max.”

Oh yeah, also I’m guessing somebody used a yellow highlighter to indicate where to sign. Likely a scan and send too.

Just like the invoice the receptionist at the dealership hands you after hours when your repair work is done, but you can’t make it to the Service Dept before closing...


I think many will be as shocked as I am that the Oilers actually managed to argue down a piece of Bouchard's contract. In his first year, he only gets up to 500k of bonuses. He can get the usual 850k for an early 1st round pick in year 2 and 3. Boqvist got straight 850k's. Who is this wizard that the Oilers hired to stay in the office while all the buttheads are at their cabins? :)


https://www.capfriendly.com/players/evan-bouchard

Now I wonder, is this a sign then that the Oilers are planning to give him a 1st year push?

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I think many will be as shocked as I am that the Oilers actually managed to argue down a piece of Bouchard's contract. In his first year, he only gets up to 500k of bonuses. He can get the usual 850k for an early 1st round pick in year 2 and 3. Boqvist got straight 850k's. Who is this wizard that the Oilers hired to stay in the office while all the buttheads are at their cabins? :)


https://www.capfriendly.com/players/evan-bouchard

Now I wonder, is this a sign then that the Oilers are planning to give him a 1st year push?


Wow, how on earth do these websites get the minutia of these contracts so quick?

That does seem to be an ok deal for the Oilers, but it still doesn't gain them anything to play him this year. The contract won't start until he's out of junior, so they could leave him there until he's 20 and still get the same advantage.



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 22:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 21:46



I think many will be as shocked as I am that the Oilers actually managed to argue down a piece of Bouchard's contract. In his first year, he only gets up to 500k of bonuses. He can get the usual 850k for an early 1st round pick in year 2 and 3. Boqvist got straight 850k's. Who is this wizard that the Oilers hired to stay in the office while all the buttheads are at their cabins? :)


https://www.capfriendly.com/players/evan-bouchard

Now I wonder, is this a sign then that the Oilers are planning to give him a 1st year push?


Wow, how on earth do these websites get the minutia of these contracts so quick?

That does seem to be an ok deal for the Oilers, but it still doesn't gain them anything to play him this year. The contract won't start until he's out of junior, so they could leave him there until he's 20 and still get the same advantage.


There's actually a small cap gain to leaving him in the CHL too...his P. Bonus is still paid each summer so if he makes the show in year 3, then $185,000 of his total deal is gone when the actual salary part kicks in (and the clock starts ticking on the deal). That's spread out over the life of the contract. It's not a tonne - only $60K per year, but every inch of breathing room is important in the next couple years.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 22:25

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 22:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 21:46



I think many will be as shocked as I am that the Oilers actually managed to argue down a piece of Bouchard's contract. In his first year, he only gets up to 500k of bonuses. He can get the usual 850k for an early 1st round pick in year 2 and 3. Boqvist got straight 850k's. Who is this wizard that the Oilers hired to stay in the office while all the buttheads are at their cabins? :)


https://www.capfriendly.com/players/evan-bouchard

Now I wonder, is this a sign then that the Oilers are planning to give him a 1st year push?


Wow, how on earth do these websites get the minutia of these contracts so quick?

That does seem to be an ok deal for the Oilers, but it still doesn't gain them anything to play him this year. The contract won't start until he's out of junior, so they could leave him there until he's 20 and still get the same advantage.


There's actually a small cap gain to leaving him in the CHL too...his P. Bonus is still paid each summer so if he makes the show in year 3, then $185,000 of his total deal is gone when the actual salary part kicks in (and the clock starts ticking on the deal). That's spread out over the life of the contract. It's not a tonne - only $60K per year, but every inch of breathing room is important in the next couple years.


pfft, 60k. That's only 1/5th of a "for no good reason" buyout of a #9 quality easily bury-able Dman.



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 22:20

Wow, how on earth do these websites get the minutia of these contracts so quick?



I've always wondered that as well.

We need an Eklund-Type salary website full of misinformation and just total garbage.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 21:46

g2k wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 18:08

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 14:24

Adam wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:46

Jay wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 13:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 17 July 2018 12:55

I would be curious to know what you think the Oilers should be doing? Other than a Nurse contract

Is this a serious question?

I don't know...working? At their jobs. Other teams are obviously doing that.

I guess in a way I see your point. They had a PLAN and clearly its been implemented to perfection. Boxes are checked! So yeah if they want to celebrate at the cabin, as long as they check their voicemail now and then its all good!


Why would the entire executive check out at the same time? We've seen this several summers in a row. The Oilers rush to finish all their tasks by mid-July. Anything undone doesn't get attention until late August. They literally check out for an entire month.

Everyone needs holidays, and that's fine...but should you really put the lights out for that period of time? Or maybe, just maybe you should have your AGM and GM have different scheduled breaks and they should continue work through the summer. Talk to agents, talk to free agents, talk to other teams. There's always something that could be improved.


They just signed Bouchard to his entry level so you can take a step back from the ledge now.


Yes, that must have been some serious labor intensive work there. “Here is your max.”

Oh yeah, also I’m guessing somebody used a yellow highlighter to indicate where to sign. Likely a scan and send too.

Just like the invoice the receptionist at the dealership hands you after hours when your repair work is done, but you can’t make it to the Service Dept before closing...


I think many will be as shocked as I am that the Oilers actually managed to argue down a piece of Bouchard's contract. In his first year, he only gets up to 500k of bonuses. He can get the usual 850k for an early 1st round pick in year 2 and 3. Boqvist got straight 850k's. Who is this wizard that the Oilers hired to stay in the office while all the buttheads are at their cabins? :)


https://www.capfriendly.com/players/evan-bouchard

Now I wonder, is this a sign then that the Oilers are planning to give him a 1st year push?



Here's the last few 10th overall picks:

2018 - Evan Bouchard (EDM): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $500,000

2017 - Owen Tippett (FLA): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $500,000

2016 - Tyson Jost (COL): Base $824,167, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $787,717

2015 - Mikko Rantanen (COL): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $733,333

2014 - Nick Ritchie (ANA): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $733,333

2013 - Valeri Nichushkin (DAL): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $1,200,000

2012 - Slater Koekkoek (TBL): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $550,000

2011 - Jonas Brodin (MIN): Base $832,500, S. Bonuses $92,500, P. Bonuses $550,000

2010 - Dylan McIlrath: Base $643,333, S. Bonuses $90,000, P. Bonuses $591,667

2009 - Magnus Paajarvi (EDM): Base $810,500, S. Bonuses $90,000, P. Bonuses $625,000

Not a whole lot of variation here. The only player who got significantly more than anyone else was Nichushkin. I assume that he used the threat of the KHL to help leverage a little more out of Dallas. Only outlier the other way is Dylan McIlrath...not sure how the Rangers convinced him to take so little...maybe his dad tried to play agent or something?

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