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 Slepyshev out [message #714271]
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Another one bites the dust:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oilers-slepyshev-to-sign-in-khl-1. 1075128

I wanted to like him, but I would think there are a 100 other guys that can do his job as well or better.



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I had high hopes for Slep as well. I liked the combination of size, decent skating, good shot and some skill. I thought he could become an effective bottom 6 guy. I don't like losing players but he had a chance to solidify himself on the Oilers because it's not like they had a ton ahead of him especially on the right side and in my opinion there were way, way too many nights where he did nothing. You don't have to score a goal to get noticed on the ice. Get some chances, lay a body check, get in peoples faces, bring some energy, be hard on the forecheck. Do something. The Oilers need to get away from playing guys who are just there. To me the Oilers have had too many guys like Slep and Pakarinen. Tweener NHLers who once in a while do something but for the most part, bring very little to the team on a night to night basis.


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messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 09:05

Another one bites the dust:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oilers-slepyshev-to-sign-in-khl-1. 1075128

I wanted to like him, but I would think there are a 100 other guys that can do his job as well or better.

There are 100 other guys that can replace him, the problem is the Oilers have shown a total inability to develop any of them. Except Jujar.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 10:01

messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 09:05

Another one bites the dust:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oilers-slepyshev-to-sign-in-khl-1. 1075128

I wanted to like him, but I would think there are a 100 other guys that can do his job as well or better.

There are 100 other guys that can replace him, the problem is the Oilers have shown a total inability to develop any of them. Except Jujhar.


Not to mention, an inability to correctly set expectations on players like this. They seemed to think he was magically going to take a huge leap forward last year, but that wasn't a good assumption. It seemed to put the player and team at odds, because they were somehow shocked he wasn't a first line scorer this year, when there was nothing in his past performance that said he would be.

I tell you, it's always Oilers math with this group. They look only at what they wish players would be, never on what they actually are and then use accordingly.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 13:45

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 10:01

messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 09:05

Another one bites the dust:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oilers-slepyshev-to-sign-in-khl-1. 1075128

I wanted to like him, but I would think there are a 100 other guys that can do his job as well or better.

There are 100 other guys that can replace him, the problem is the Oilers have shown a total inability to develop any of them. Except Jujhar.


Not to mention, an inability to correctly set expectations on players like this. They seemed to think he was magically going to take a huge leap forward last year, but that wasn't a good assumption. It seemed to put the player and team at odds, because they were somehow shocked he wasn't a first line scorer this year, when there was nothing in his past performance that said he would be.

I tell you, it's always Oilers math with this group. They look only at what they wish players would be, never on what they actually are and then use accordingly.

The Oilers believe in feels over reals. They run the Oilers like <redacted> is running Canada. Feels over reals.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 13:52

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 13:45

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 10:01

messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 09:05

Another one bites the dust:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oilers-slepyshev-to-sign-in-khl-1. 1075128

I wanted to like him, but I would think there are a 100 other guys that can do his job as well or better.

There are 100 other guys that can replace him, the problem is the Oilers have shown a total inability to develop any of them. Except Jujhar.


Not to mention, an inability to correctly set expectations on players like this. They seemed to think he was magically going to take a huge leap forward last year, but that wasn't a good assumption. It seemed to put the player and team at odds, because they were somehow shocked he wasn't a first line scorer this year, when there was nothing in his past performance that said he would be.

I tell you, it's always Oilers math with this group. They look only at what they wish players would be, never on what they actually are and then use accordingly.

The Oilers believe in feels over reals. They run the Oilers like <redacted> is running Canada. Feels over reals.


McLellan definitely doesn't though. Wanted nothing to do with this guy.

Still find it nuts how he was ok with saddling McDavid with Lucic for 2 months, where Lucic manages I think 1 primary point (assist) over those 2 months being gifted McDavid 5v5 time and top PP time. But, he doesn't try Lucic-Drai-Slep that almost got him to the 3rd round even one game all year.

[Updated on: Thu, 03 May 2018 13:57]


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There are many things that McLellan and Co did this year that are very mystifying. This is only one of those things...


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Bye Slep..

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messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 09:05

Another one bites the dust:

https://www.tsn.ca/report-oilers-slepyshev-to-sign-in-khl-1. 1075128

I wanted to like him, but I would think there are a 100 other guys that can do his job as well or better.


Slep-Drai-Lucic played together 11 minutes last season, lol. Most of it was probably partial line changes (they only took 2 faceoffs at 5v5 together all year). That was supposed to be our 2nd line based on the previous playoff hot streak.

[Updated on: Thu, 03 May 2018 10:59]


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Slep was making $925k and Pak $725 so that almost pays for Koskinen (sp?).

I wonder who is replacing them though...



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messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 11:34

Slep was making $925k and Pak $725 so that almost pays for Koskinen (sp?).

I wonder who is replacing them though...

I look at both Slep and Pakarien as borderline NHLers. Slep was making 925k not doing a whole lot so he was overpaid in my opinion. Khaira makes 675K and he has 11 goals, 21 pts, played some center and wing, killed some penalties. There has to be more of those types out there.



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messier11 wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 11:34

Slep was making $925k and Pak $725 so that almost pays for Koskinen (sp?).

I wonder who is replacing them though...


I am sure PC will have a trick up his sleeve and pay double for a bottom 6 than he should, then hype up how much potential he has to be better then all evidence would suggest.



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He's got "all the time in the world" for Korpikoski, so that should tell you something...


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Fun fact: No Russians on the Oilers now. And Slepyshev actually played the second most games of any Russian player under McLellan.

Saw this coming from a mile away. As soon as Chiarelli declared Slepyshev publicly available (again, why?), I could piece together that the agent made it known the plans were to get playing time in the KHL. Can't say I blame him. Players want to play.

They should definitely qualify him and retain his rights and maybe someday he returns to club. At the very least he is an asset we can move.

I've never been as big on Slepyshev as a lot of the numbers fans are; I think he is a standard third/fourth line player, and the Oilers have a few of those, probably guys who are better. There was nothing to suggest he was a Top-6 forward to me, which is why I found it bizarre that the Oilers were banking on that heading into last season.

Anyways, it's too bad. He was a capable, cheap, depth player with upside. He's far from irreplaceable, and shouldn't be missed, but if the Oilers were to move Kassian or if they needed some depth players, he is the type of guy that is nice to have on the roster. Maybe we will see him again someday.

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I've worked out Chia's system for trading players:

1. Wait for people to phone you about the player until you have no time left to really consider the offer.
2. Phone Ray Shero


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I had high hopes for Slep and thought he would be a player but clearly I was way off base on the guy. He's a borderline NHLer and clearly he knows that because he wasted no time in going to the KHL for money. There are lots of guys like him out there who you can probably get for cheaper. He was making 925K which given what he brought he was way over paid. In 102 games, he's got 10 goals, 23 pts. That isn't even OK 4th line numbers. It's not like he light up the AHL either. In 59 AHL games, he has 31 pts. If he wasn't right handed, no one would care he's gone.


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Looked great in the playoffs last season and then the injury. Never seemed to really get his A game back after that. Too bad...we move on.


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I just read that Auvitu plans on going to Europe, probably the KHL.

On one hand I am glad that the Oilers are recognizing that guys like Auvitu and Slep aren't good enough players to be NHLers and are letting them go. I want my team to get to the point where their top 12 forwards and top 6 dmen every game are all legit, full time NHLers. I would like my team to get to the point that their 13th forward and 7th dman, guys who are trying to get into the line up on a regular basis but can't are also legit, full time NHLers. I would like those guys to be the types of players that some deep teams have who when they waive them or trade them for nothing because they have no room for them, other teams jump on them and put them in their line up because they are good players.

On the other hand. I am disappointed that the Oilers management didn't recognize earlier that players like Slep and Auvitu aren't full time NHLers. They need to get away from bringing in guys who aren't good enough.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

They need to get away from bringing in guys who aren't good enough.

This is just crazy enough to work.



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Jay wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

They need to get away from bringing in guys who aren't good enough.

This is just crazy enough to work.

But how could you know unless you sign them to a contract with an overpay and gift them a spot on the NHL roster?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:32

Jay wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

They need to get away from bringing in guys who aren't good enough.

This is just crazy enough to work.

But how could you know unless you sign them to a contract with an overpay and gift them a spot on the NHL roster?


It's a serious problem. You can't afford to overpay all these guys under the cap, so what's Peter left to do? He's really either got to sign some players he knows are crap for cheap, or he's got to trade Draisaitl for someone making Koskinen money to clear out some space...



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Adam wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 13:26

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:32

Jay wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

They need to get away from bringing in guys who aren't good enough.

This is just crazy enough to work.

But how could you know unless you sign them to a contract with an overpay and gift them a spot on the NHL roster?


It's a serious problem. You can't afford to overpay all these guys under the cap, so what's Peter left to do? He's really either got to sign some players he knows are crap for cheap, or he's got to trade Draisaitl for someone making Koskinen money to clear out some space...

They'll sign crap for cheap and hope because Chia can't trade one of his big two signings. He might be able to trade Klef, but then we'll have to trust him to replace Klef, so....



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 13:32

Adam wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 13:26

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:32

Jay wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

They need to get away from bringing in guys who aren't good enough.

This is just crazy enough to work.

But how could you know unless you sign them to a contract with an overpay and gift them a spot on the NHL roster?


It's a serious problem. You can't afford to overpay all these guys under the cap, so what's Peter left to do? He's really either got to sign some players he knows are crap for cheap, or he's got to trade Draisaitl for someone making Koskinen money to clear out some space...

They'll sign crap for cheap and hope because Chia can't trade one of his big two signings. He might be able to trade Klef, but then we'll have to trust him to replace Klef, so....

I certainly hope they go with the sign crap players route, and here's why;

The Oilers management has no clue what they are doing. That's self evident.

Basically every decision they've ever made in a management capacity has been wrong, and the team is the opposite of what we would like.

So if their every instinct is wrong then the opposite would have to be right.

If PC goes Costanza and just does the opposite and signs a bunch of players that he, his handlers and scouting staff all confirm are terrible then I could see this team battling for a playoff spot next year.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

I just read that Auvitu plans on going to Europe, probably the KHL.


I'm far from an huge Auvitu fan, but I probably would have tried to re-sign him. He's kind of what you want in a 7th defenseman:

- Can step in and be serviceable (i.e. not get walked on a regular basis, not a complete tirefire).
- Cheap.
- Not a developing prospect, so you aren't stunting growth.
- No issue having him sit for 15 games at a time if there are six healthier guys who are better.

Instead, I expect the Oilers plan is to call up Eric Gryba, and hope he's better than the other three times he has proven to not be NHL-caliber. Guy is like a cat, nine NHL lives on the Oilers roster.

So even though it's on the 7th defenseman spot, I kind of expect the Oilers to be weaker and worse there next season.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 13:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

I just read that Auvitu plans on going to Europe, probably the KHL.


I'm far from an huge Auvitu fan, but I probably would have tried to re-sign him. He's kind of what you want in a 7th defenseman:

- Can step in and be serviceable (i.e. not get walked on a regular basis, not a complete tirefire).
- Cheap.
- Not a developing prospect, so you aren't stunting growth.
- No issue having him sit for 15 games at a time if there are six healthier guys who are better.

Instead, I expect the Oilers plan is to call up Eric Gryba, and hope he's better than the other three times he has proven to not be NHL-caliber. Guy is like a cat, nine NHL lives on the Oilers roster.

So even though it's on the 7th defenseman spot, I kind of expect the Oilers to be weaker and worse there next season.

Well #1 there are 6 better dman ahead of him. Nurse, Klefbom, Sekera, Russell, Larsson and even Benning are better players than Auvitu. I know people don't agree with a lot of what I say in here but I would assume most would agree that when they are all healthy which next season they should be, the 6 guys I listed are better than Auvitu. So he's not getting into a game ideally.

#2 How many more mediocre left shot dmen do the Oilers need even if he is cheap? They have Jones in the minors who's left. Lagesson is supposedly coming over after being really good in the Swedish league, he's 22, he's left. You got to think with several years of pro hockey under his belt, he might be a call up option. Dillon Simpson has been in their system and could be a #7. Stanton has some NHL experience and in a pinch could be a #7 and he's left. If he was right handed, I would keep him but I think they have the left side covered.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 14:09

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 13:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

I just read that Auvitu plans on going to Europe, probably the KHL.


I'm far from an huge Auvitu fan, but I probably would have tried to re-sign him. He's kind of what you want in a 7th defenseman:

- Can step in and be serviceable (i.e. not get walked on a regular basis, not a complete tirefire).
- Cheap.
- Not a developing prospect, so you aren't stunting growth.
- No issue having him sit for 15 games at a time if there are six healthier guys who are better.

Instead, I expect the Oilers plan is to call up Eric Gryba, and hope he's better than the other three times he has proven to not be NHL-caliber. Guy is like a cat, nine NHL lives on the Oilers roster.

So even though it's on the 7th defenseman spot, I kind of expect the Oilers to be weaker and worse there next season.

Well #1 there are 6 better dman ahead of him. Nurse, Klefbom, Sekera, Russell, Larsson and even Benning are better players than Auvitu. I know people don't agree with a lot of what I say in here but I would assume most would agree that when they are all healthy which next season they should be, the 6 guys I listed are better than Auvitu. So he's not getting into a game ideally.

#2 How many more mediocre left shot dmen do the Oilers need even if he is cheap? They have Jones in the minors who's left. Lagesson is supposedly coming over after being really good in the Swedish league, he's 22, he's left. You got to think with several years of pro hockey under his belt, he might be a call up option. Dillon Simpson has been in their system and could be a #7. Stanton has some NHL experience and in a pinch could be a #7 and he's left. If he was right handed, I would keep him but I think they have the left side covered.


People get injured. They'll need their 7th defenceman at some point. It would be nice to see someone capable of playing.

Simpson is worse than Auvitu. So is Lowe, so is LaLeggia (both of whom could be gone). Jones and Bear probably could use more time in the minors and definitely should be playing as much as possible, not watching games from the press box.

Lagesson is in a similar situation. He's not played in North America, so it wouldn't be ideal to start him as a seventh d-man in the NHL. It would be much better to see him as an AHL guy for at least a while.

I think mightyreasoner is most likely right. As the Oilers can't afford to overspend on a seventh d-man, they're likely to stick to the money they already spent on this and just call up Gryba again...with predictable results.

[Updated on: Fri, 04 May 2018 14:18]


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Adam wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 14:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 14:09

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 13:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 11:24

I just read that Auvitu plans on going to Europe, probably the KHL.


I'm far from an huge Auvitu fan, but I probably would have tried to re-sign him. He's kind of what you want in a 7th defenseman:

- Can step in and be serviceable (i.e. not get walked on a regular basis, not a complete tirefire).
- Cheap.
- Not a developing prospect, so you aren't stunting growth.
- No issue having him sit for 15 games at a time if there are six healthier guys who are better.

Instead, I expect the Oilers plan is to call up Eric Gryba, and hope he's better than the other three times he has proven to not be NHL-caliber. Guy is like a cat, nine NHL lives on the Oilers roster.

So even though it's on the 7th defenseman spot, I kind of expect the Oilers to be weaker and worse there next season.

Well #1 there are 6 better dman ahead of him. Nurse, Klefbom, Sekera, Russell, Larsson and even Benning are better players than Auvitu. I know people don't agree with a lot of what I say in here but I would assume most would agree that when they are all healthy which next season they should be, the 6 guys I listed are better than Auvitu. So he's not getting into a game ideally.

#2 How many more mediocre left shot dmen do the Oilers need even if he is cheap? They have Jones in the minors who's left. Lagesson is supposedly coming over after being really good in the Swedish league, he's 22, he's left. You got to think with several years of pro hockey under his belt, he might be a call up option. Dillon Simpson has been in their system and could be a #7. Stanton has some NHL experience and in a pinch could be a #7 and he's left. If he was right handed, I would keep him but I think they have the left side covered.


People get injured. They'll need their 7th defenceman at some point. It would be nice to see someone capable of playing.

Simpson is worse than Auvitu. So is Lowe, so is LaLeggia (both of whom could be gone). Jones and Bear probably could use more time in the minors and definitely should be playing as much as possible, not watching games from the press box.

Lagesson is in a similar situation. He's not played in North America, so it wouldn't be ideal to start him as a seventh d-man in the NHL. It would be much better to see him as an AHL guy for at least a while.

I think mightyreasoner is most likely right. As the Oilers can't afford to overspend on a seventh d-man, they're likely to stick to the money they already spent on this and just call up Gryba again...with predictable results.

I have zero problem if Gryba isn't your #7 but at the same time, I don't see the value in having another left handed dman who you have to shelter so much. Auvitu is fine from the center line to the opposition goal line but as soon as you start into your own end. Hide your eyes and pray it works out. As a dman, I have a real problem with you if you don't go into the corners after a puck. You don't have to be a banger but you can't let up and allow the guy to get the puck with ease. Part of a dman's job is to battle for pucks in your own zone. He doesn't do that.



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I have zero problem if Gryba isn't your #7 but at the same time, I don't see the value in having another left handed dman who you have to shelter so much. Auvitu is fine from the center line to the opposition goal line but as soon as you start into your own end. Hide your eyes and pray it works out. As a dman, I have a real problem with you if you don't go into the corners after a puck. You don't have to be a banger but you can't let up and allow the guy to get the puck with ease. Part of a dman's job is to battle for pucks in your own zone. He doesn't do that.


While I understand that's the easy narrative because he's not that big and puts up points, I don't think that the evidence shows that. He played third pairing when he played without getting a top defender to play alongside him and all his numbers were fine. He contributed up ice, scoring 9 points in 33 games, and he was +4. Hopefully someone can add to this with some of the possession stats, but I believe he was generally positive there too.

He wasn't sheltered by a partner, because he rarely was on the ice with a guy like Adam Larsson and I believe he quite often played with guys who were much less defensive stalwarts.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 14:45


I have zero problem if Gryba isn't your #7 but at the same time, I don't see the value in having another left handed dman who you have to shelter so much. Auvitu is fine from the center line to the opposition goal line but as soon as you start into your own end. Hide your eyes and pray it works out. As a dman, I have a real problem with you if you don't go into the corners after a puck. You don't have to be a banger but you can't let up and allow the guy to get the puck with ease. Part of a dman's job is to battle for pucks in your own zone. He doesn't do that.


While I understand that's the easy narrative because he's not that big and puts up points, I don't think that the evidence shows that. He played third pairing when he played without getting a top defender to play alongside him and all his numbers were fine. He contributed up ice, scoring 9 points in 33 games, and he was +4. Hopefully someone can add to this with some of the possession stats, but I believe he was generally positive there too.

He wasn't sheltered by a partner, because he rarely was on the ice with a guy like Adam Larsson and I believe he quite often played with guys who were much less defensive stalwarts.


Well I pretty much attended or watched every Oiler game this past season and there wasn't a game that went by where I didn't see Auvitu pull up and let the opposition get the puck freely when it was in the corner or get out battle for a puck routinely. I get that being physical isn't his game. I get that he's not the biggest guy but you can't in my opinion be reluctant to battle for pucks especially if you are a dman. You can't just let a guy skate into the corner in your own zone and go get a puck while you stand there and watch him do it. That happened A LOT.

He has some useful tools that translate well to the NHL but he lacks many others. I am sure that you or someone else will spout off some stats from some website to argue with me but I really don't give a crap what some spread sheet says. The guy is not a good enough player to be in the NHL. It's May 4th. The Oilers have been done for almost a month. I am sure in their exit meeting with him they told him they weren't bringing him back. There are 30 other NHL teams. The game is moving more and more to speed and puck moving. If his agent was doing his job, I am guessing he would have at least reached out to other teams to find out if there would be any potential interest. My guess is he got a lot of flat out no's or maybe we would consider a 2 way or a PTO. I say that because why else on May 4th would you close the door on the NHL for good which is what he did. So if he is a legit NHLer and there is some spread that says he is, why would EVERY NHL team take a pass? No one can't blame his salary because he made 700k last year and there is no way he would make anymore than that.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 15:37

Adam wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 15:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 14:45


I have zero problem if Gryba isn't your #7 but at the same time, I don't see the value in having another left handed dman who you have to shelter so much. Auvitu is fine from the center line to the opposition goal line but as soon as you start into your own end. Hide your eyes and pray it works out. As a dman, I have a real problem with you if you don't go into the corners after a puck. You don't have to be a banger but you can't let up and allow the guy to get the puck with ease. Part of a dman's job is to battle for pucks in your own zone. He doesn't do that.


While I understand that's the easy narrative because he's not that big and puts up points, I don't think that the evidence shows that. He played third pairing when he played without getting a top defender to play alongside him and all his numbers were fine. He contributed up ice, scoring 9 points in 33 games, and he was +4. Hopefully someone can add to this with some of the possession stats, but I believe he was generally positive there too.

He wasn't sheltered by a partner, because he rarely was on the ice with a guy like Adam Larsson and I believe he quite often played with guys who were much less defensive stalwarts.


Well I pretty much attended or watched every Oiler game this past season and there wasn't a game that went by where I didn't see Auvitu pull up and let the opposition get the puck freely when it was in the corner or get out battle for a puck routinely. I get that being physical isn't his game. I get that he's not the biggest guy but you can't in my opinion be reluctant to battle for pucks especially if you are a dman. You can't just let a guy skate into the corner in your own zone and go get a puck while you stand there and watch him do it. That happened A LOT.

He has some useful tools that translate well to the NHL but he lacks many others. I am sure that you or someone else will spout off some stats from some website to argue with me but I really don't give a crap what some spread sheet says. The guy is not a good enough player to be in the NHL. It's May 4th. The Oilers have been done for almost a month. I am sure in their exit meeting with him they told him they weren't bringing him back. There are 30 other NHL teams. The game is moving more and more to speed and puck moving. If his agent was doing his job, I am guessing he would have at least reached out to other teams to find out if there would be any potential interest. My guess is he got a lot of flat out no's or maybe we would consider a 2 way or a PTO. I say that because why else on May 4th would you close the door on the NHL for good which is what he did. So if he is a legit NHLer and there is some spread that says he is, why would EVERY NHL team take a pass? No one can't blame his salary because he made 700k last year and there is no way he would make anymore than that.


Hey, if there's someone better than Auvitu the Oilers are bringing in for that 7th spot, right on. Stanton is not it. Gryba is not it. Simpson and Lowe are definitely not it. Lagesson is unknown and probably shouldn't be banked on to be it.

Like you said, ideally you aren't playing your #7. He should be cheap, you should be fine with him sitting out more often than not. And so you don't want to hamper your prospects like Jones and Bear by not letting them play and having them in the pressbox. When they get called up to the NHL, they should be on the ice.

But like Adam said, even if ideally he isn't on the ice, he will be at some point. So cheap, non-prospect who won't badly hurt your team when he does play.

There's guys out there who fit that description and probably better than Auvitu. But I'm not sure there are any within the Oilers organization currently.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 16:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 15:37

Adam wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 15:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 04 May 2018 14:45


I have zero problem if Gryba isn't your #7 but at the same time, I don't see the value in having another left handed dman who you have to shelter so much. Auvitu is fine from the center line to the opposition goal line but as soon as you start into your own end. Hide your eyes and pray it works out. As a dman, I have a real problem with you if you don't go into the corners after a puck. You don't have to be a banger but you can't let up and allow the guy to get the puck with ease. Part of a dman's job is to battle for pucks in your own zone. He doesn't do that.


While I understand that's the easy narrative because he's not that big and puts up points, I don't think that the evidence shows that. He played third pairing when he played without getting a top defender to play alongside him and all his numbers were fine. He contributed up ice, scoring 9 points in 33 games, and he was +4. Hopefully someone can add to this with some of the possession stats, but I believe he was generally positive there too.

He wasn't sheltered by a partner, because he rarely was on the ice with a guy like Adam Larsson and I believe he quite often played with guys who were much less defensive stalwarts.


Well I pretty much attended or watched every Oiler game this past season and there wasn't a game that went by where I didn't see Auvitu pull up and let the opposition get the puck freely when it was in the corner or get out battle for a puck routinely. I get that being physical isn't his game. I get that he's not the biggest guy but you can't in my opinion be reluctant to battle for pucks especially if you are a dman. You can't just let a guy skate into the corner in your own zone and go get a puck while you stand there and watch him do it. That happened A LOT.

He has some useful tools that translate well to the NHL but he lacks many others. I am sure that you or someone else will spout off some stats from some website to argue with me but I really don't give a crap what some spread sheet says. The guy is not a good enough player to be in the NHL. It's May 4th. The Oilers have been done for almost a month. I am sure in their exit meeting with him they told him they weren't bringing him back. There are 30 other NHL teams. The game is moving more and more to speed and puck moving. If his agent was doing his job, I am guessing he would have at least reached out to other teams to find out if there would be any potential interest. My guess is he got a lot of flat out no's or maybe we would consider a 2 way or a PTO. I say that because why else on May 4th would you close the door on the NHL for good which is what he did. So if he is a legit NHLer and there is some spread that says he is, why would EVERY NHL team take a pass? No one can't blame his salary because he made 700k last year and there is no way he would make anymore than that.


Hey, if there's someone better than Auvitu the Oilers are bringing in for that 7th spot, right on. Stanton is not it. Gryba is not it. Simpson and Lowe are definitely not it. Lagesson is unknown and probably shouldn't be banked on to be it.

Like you said, ideally you aren't playing your #7. He should be cheap, you should be fine with him sitting out more often than not. And so you don't want to hamper your prospects like Jones and Bear by not letting them play and having them in the pressbox. When they get called up to the NHL, they should be on the ice.

But like Adam said, even if ideally he isn't on the ice, he will be at some point. So cheap, non-prospect who won't badly hurt your team when he does play.

There's guys out there who fit that description and probably better than Auvitu. But I'm not sure there are any within the Oilers organization currently.


I am not arguing that your #7 needs to be cheap. But if 30 other NHL teams pass on this guy which I assume they did for him to decide May 4th to jump to Europe, why on earth would I want him on my team?
There is all kinds of threads and posts about various players the Oilers bring in over the years and how stupid the management team is and how lousy they are at evaluating guys but yet we are having an argument about the Oilers moving on from a guy who 30 other teams think isn't good enough? We are arguing about a guy who most of us would prefer he not ever play.



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Pakarinen, Slepyshev now Auvitu all bolt overseas. Lander last yr. Puljujarvi expressed his frustration earlier in year, Slepy asked for a trade earlier in year. Maroon never seen a coach (including TMac) like Hynes. All this is coincidence & has NOTHING to do with coach right?



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Bottom line is, these guys are replaceable, but they need to be replaced.

Depth players or not, if you get worse, you get worse. The good news is depth players SHOULD be easier to replace than those higher up the lineup.

But if it's Slepyshev and Auvitu out, Malone and Gryba in, those are substitutions that leave the club worse off. They'll have to actively find other depth NHL player to replace them. It can be done; let's see if the Oilers will.



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In my opinion if this organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, Pakarinen who are borderline NHLers, then they are WAY worse off than anyone of us thought.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:11

In my opinion if this organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, Pakarinen who are borderline NHLers, then they are WAY worse off than anyone of us thought.

I can't remember who players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen were brought into replace, but I doubt they were any better than the departing group or the incoming group.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:11

In my opinion if this organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, Pakarinen who are borderline NHLers, then they are WAY worse off than anyone of us thought.

I can't remember who players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen were brought into replace, but I doubt they were any better than the departing group or the incoming group.


Good question, I don't remember either. Was Auvitu brought in to replace Reinhart? Shockingly Pakarinen has been an Oiler for 4 seasons. Why I don't know.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:26

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:11

In my opinion if this organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, Pakarinen who are borderline NHLers, then they are WAY worse off than anyone of us thought.

I can't remember who players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen were brought into replace, but I doubt they were any better than the departing group or the incoming group.


Good question, I don't remember either. Was Auvitu brought in to replace Reinhart? Shockingly Pakarinen has been an Oiler for 4 seasons. Why I don't know.

See? The organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen. They're way worse off that you thought.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:26

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:11

In my opinion if this organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, Pakarinen who are borderline NHLers, then they are WAY worse off than anyone of us thought.

I can't remember who players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen were brought into replace, but I doubt they were any better than the departing group or the incoming group.


Good question, I don't remember either. Was Auvitu brought in to replace Reinhart? Shockingly Pakarinen has been an Oiler for 4 seasons. Why I don't know.

See? The organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen. They're way worse off that you thought.


There's not a direct correlation for many because guys like Slepyshev and Pakarinen were in the system for a while. But we can look at the guys they let walk to give them opportunity.

I'd suggest Auvitu, Gryba (re-signed) and Stanton were brought in to off-set the loss of Oesterle, Davidson, and Reinhart.

I'd suggest Tyler Pitlick wasn't given an offer at least partly because of Slepyshev. You could make the argument that Eberle was moved because they thought Slepyshev was ready to be a top-6 forward, but let's stick with Pitlick, because that is a bad enough judgement.

Cammalleri was brought in to replace Jokinen who was brought in to replace Pouliot.

Pakarinen was probably re-signed to off-set the departure of Lander and Hendricks. Pakarinen was pretty similar to Lander in many ways - great in the AHL, couldn't transition that to the NHL, but was a good PKer. Difference was Lander was a centre.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 09:22

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:26

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 07 May 2018 08:11

In my opinion if this organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, Pakarinen who are borderline NHLers, then they are WAY worse off than anyone of us thought.

I can't remember who players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen were brought into replace, but I doubt they were any better than the departing group or the incoming group.


Good question, I don't remember either. Was Auvitu brought in to replace Reinhart? Shockingly Pakarinen has been an Oiler for 4 seasons. Why I don't know.

See? The organization can't replace players like Auvitu, Slep, and Pakarinen. They're way worse off that you thought.


There's not a direct correlation for many because guys like Slepyshev and Pakarinen were in the system for a while. But we can look at the guys they let walk to give them opportunity.

I'd suggest Auvitu, Gryba (re-signed) and Stanton were brought in to off-set the loss of Oesterle, Davidson, and Reinhart.

I'd suggest Tyler Pitlick wasn't given an offer at least partly because of Slepyshev. You could make the argument that Eberle was moved because they thought Slepyshev was ready to be a top-6 forward, but let's stick with Pitlick, because that is a bad enough judgement.

Cammalleri was brought in to replace Jokinen who was brought in to replace Pouliot.

Pakarinen was probably re-signed to off-set the departure of Lander and Hendricks. Pakarinen was pretty similar to Lander in many ways - great in the AHL, couldn't transition that to the NHL, but was a good PKer. Difference was Lander was a centre.


I think you are probably right.

The Pitlick one hurts a bit but in saying that, from the year he was drafted, I don't think there was a season where he didn't get a significant injury either with the Oilers or in the minors. I think he might have had a serious leg injury the year after he was drafted in junior. Last season after finally making the team and looking like a player, he gets a major leg injury and misses more than half the season. I thought I heard that the Oilers did offer him a contract but it was a 1 yr while Dallas gave him a 3 yr so he took the security. If I was him, I would take a longer term contract. If I am the Oilers, no way I give him more than a year.



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