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 A look back on last off-season [message #713477]
Sat, 14 April 2018 17:22 Go to next message
Adam  is currently offline Adam
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As the world turns and we learn that Chiarelli will again lead the Oilers through the summer of 2018, I thought back to last off-season, and how the Oilers managed following their Cinderella run to the Conference Semi-Finals in 2017.

I've included the NHL stats for each player in 2017-18.

Trades
Jordan Eberle (81GP 25-34-59) for Ryan Strome (82GP 13-21-34)

UFA Signings
Kris Russell (re-signed) - 4 years x $4MM (78GP 4-17-21)
Eric Gryba (re-signed) - 2 x $900K (21GP 0-2-2)
Mitch Callahan - 2x $700K
Ryan Stanton - 2x $700K
Grayson Downing - 1x $650K (UFA)
Brian Ferlin - 1x $700K (UFA)
Ty Rattie - 1x $700K (UFA) (14GP 5-4-9)
Keegan Lowe - 1x $650K (UFA) (2GP 0-0-0)
Edward Pasquale 1x $700K (traded)
Brad Malone - 2x $650K (7GP 0-0-0)
Jussi Jokinen - 1x $1.1MM (traded) (14GP 0-1-1 w/ EDM, 5-12-17 overall)
Yohann Auvitu - 1x $700K (UFA) (33GP 3-6-9)

RFA Signings
Iiro Pakarinen - 1x $725K (RFA) (40GP 2-1-3)
Jujhar Khaira - 2x $675K (69GP 11-10-21)
Zack Kassian - 3x $1.95MM (74GP 7-12-19)
Joey LaLeggia - 1x $700K (UFA)
Dillon Simpson - 1x $625K (UFA)
Leon Draisaitl - 8x $8.5MM (78GP 25-45-70)

Also:
Connor McDavid (early re-sign) - 8x $12.5MM (82GP 41-67-108)
Kailer Yamamoto (rookie deal) - 3x $925K (79GP 0-3-3)
Dmitri Samorukov (rookie deal) - 3x $887K

Exits
Matt Hendricks - UFA to Wpg -60GP 5-8-13
David Desharnais - UFA to NYR - 71GP 6-22-28
Tyler Pitlick - UFA to Dal - 80GP 14-13-27
Jordan Oesterle - UFA to Chi - 55GP 5-10-15
Benoit Pouliot - Bought out, UFA to Buf - 74GP 13-6-19
Griffin Reinhart - Expansion draft to LVK
Anton Lander - KHL
Jonas Gustavsson - Sweden
Eetu Laurikainen - Finland
Jere Sallinen - Sweden
Andrew Ference - retired

Sources:
https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/oilers-off-season-movement-t racker/c-290251444
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Peter_C hiarelli/284

The new additions to the team - Strome, Rattie, Jokinen, Auvitu and Yamamoto combined to tally 56 points for the Oilers this year. That's 3 less than Eberle scored...never mind the contributions from Hendricks, Desharnais, Pitlick, Oesterle, and Pouliot. No new addition outside of Strome & Jokinen (although 94% of his points came with other teams) outscored the worst of those five players (Hendricks). If we were being really generous to Chiarelli, we could point out that he did manage to get Cammalleri for Jokinen, and he chipped in 22 points...but then again, that still means that if the Oilers had kept Eberle and Pouliot, they would have covered off the entire contributions of the players brought in.

The minor league additions created a crowded AHL team that made it difficult for prospects to find ice time, and yet failed to make the team competitive. They finish the year tonight, sitting 7th of 8 in the Pacific Division and, like the Oilers, missing the playoffs again. The only good thing about a lot of those signings is they were only one year deals.

The Pouliot buyout gave us cap space we didn't need and didn't use this year, and it means he will represent $1.33MM in cap hit for the next three years after this one.

All in all, last summer was an absolute train wreck. Ah well, how much MORE damage can he do with another off-season to work with?



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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713478 is a reply to message #713477 ]
Sat, 14 April 2018 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ziltoid  is currently offline ziltoid
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Seeing it all laid out like that is painful... reminds me of students who write multiple choice exams and score under 25%. There comes a point when your performance is so poor that the only possible explanation is not just that you don't know the material, but that you actively learned incorrect information, and have built up a backwards set of knowledge. Seeing that record suggests that at the least PC, but more likely the entire management group, has done just this.


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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713485 is a reply to message #713478 ]
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CrusaderPi  is currently offline CrusaderPi
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ziltoid wrote on Sat, 14 April 2018 18:19

Seeing it all laid out like that is painful... reminds me of students who write multiple choice exams and score under 25%. There comes a point when your performance is so poor that the only possible explanation is not just that you don't know the material, but that you actively learned incorrect information, and have built up a backwards set of knowledge. Seeing that record suggests that at the least PC, but more likely the entire management group, has done just this.

Like how if all teams were equal they'd have a roughly 50/50 shot at making the playoffs (31 teams / 16 spots) yet the Oilers have missed 11 of the last 12 seasons?



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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713493 is a reply to message #713485 ]
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Magnum  is currently offline Magnum
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The team basically needed their goal differential to be 50 goals better, to make the playoffs.

Eberle for Strome - 12 goal deficit
Pouliot for Jussi/Cammalleri - 8 goal deficit
Pitlick for More Jujhar - 5 goal deficit
Total loss: 23 goals

That would be 257 goals for. Good for low end playoff teams.

The scary part was goals against - 263, 7th worst in the league.

Take away what was done, call it a wash. But the more heinous of the crimes is what wasn’t done. Addressing the defense was so blatantly obvious.



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2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.

2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid hoping it's Drain-O.

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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713496 is a reply to message #713493 ]
Sun, 15 April 2018 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
OilMJMOil  is currently offline OilMJMOil
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Magnum wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 09:18

The team basically needed their goal differential to be 50 goals better, to make the playoffs.

Eberle for Strome - 12 goal deficit
Pouliot for Jussi/Cammalleri - 8 goal deficit
Pitlick for More Jujhar - 5 goal deficit
Total loss: 23 goals

That would be 257 goals for. Good for low end playoff teams.

The scary part was goals against - 263, 7th worst in the league.

Take away what was done, call it a wash. But the more heinous of the crimes is what wasn’t done. Addressing the defense was so blatantly obvious.


But, but Yohann Auvitu



2016: We need to get heavier, and we need a defenseman!

2018: We need to get faster, and we need a defenseman!

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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713497 is a reply to message #713496 ]
Sun, 15 April 2018 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrusaderPi  is currently offline CrusaderPi
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OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 10:44

Magnum wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 09:18

The team basically needed their goal differential to be 50 goals better, to make the playoffs.

Eberle for Strome - 12 goal deficit
Pouliot for Jussi/Cammalleri - 8 goal deficit
Pitlick for More Jujhar - 5 goal deficit
Total loss: 23 goals

That would be 257 goals for. Good for low end playoff teams.

The scary part was goals against - 263, 7th worst in the league.

Take away what was done, call it a wash. But the more heinous of the crimes is what wasn’t done. Addressing the defense was so blatantly obvious.


But, but Yohann Auvitu

You could tell me Auvitu played any number of games this year between 15 and 57. I honestly have no idea.



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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713498 is a reply to message #713497 ]
Sun, 15 April 2018 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
OilMJMOil  is currently offline OilMJMOil
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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 11:35

OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 10:44

Magnum wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 09:18

The team basically needed their goal differential to be 50 goals better, to make the playoffs.

Eberle for Strome - 12 goal deficit
Pouliot for Jussi/Cammalleri - 8 goal deficit
Pitlick for More Jujhar - 5 goal deficit
Total loss: 23 goals

That would be 257 goals for. Good for low end playoff teams.

The scary part was goals against - 263, 7th worst in the league.

Take away what was done, call it a wash. But the more heinous of the crimes is what wasn’t done. Addressing the defense was so blatantly obvious.


But, but Yohann Auvitu

You could tell me Auvitu played any number of games this year between 15 and 57. I honestly have no idea.


33 this season... 58 on his career



2016: We need to get heavier, and we need a defenseman!

2018: We need to get faster, and we need a defenseman!

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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713596 is a reply to message #713498 ]
Tue, 17 April 2018 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
WhoreableGuy  is currently offline WhoreableGuy
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Auvitu was the least of my concerns this past season, brought in as a 6-7 D guy and only $700,000. I liked his game. It's just that Chia really didn't do anything else to address the D.


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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713766 is a reply to message #713493 ]
Fri, 20 April 2018 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
steve.kreys  is currently offline steve.kreys
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Magnum wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 09:18

The team basically needed their goal differential to be 50 goals better, to make the playoffs.

Eberle for Strome - 12 goal deficit
Pouliot for Jussi/Cammalleri - 8 goal deficit
Pitlick for More Jujhar - 5 goal deficit
Total loss: 23 goals

That would be 257 goals for. Good for low end playoff teams.

The scary part was goals against - 263, 7th worst in the league.

Take away what was done, call it a wash. But the more heinous of the crimes is what wasn’t done. Addressing the defense was so blatantly obvious.



just to be difficult and more a point of order. Eberle scored 20 goals last season with the oilers and strome got 13 so there is a 7 goal differential. JJ + Cam = 4--Poop potted 8 for 4 goal difference but Camm knocked 22pts while Poop got 14. So there is +8 in pts from one year to the next. Pitlick scored 8 times for the oilers in his last season while Khair scored 11 this year. have any of Eberle, Poop or Pitlick scored in the playoffs yet? They are on the golf course right now like the oilers. We will complain about the Eberle trade for years but after crapping the bed last playoffs he needed a change of scenery. While I think we all miss Pitlick he was a UFA and the oilers did everything the could make the guy feel welcome and kept him whenever he got injured. We have only so many positions that were open and I would take Jujar over him right now. Poop was a dead zone last year

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 Re: A look back on last off-season [message #713774 is a reply to message #713766 ]
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Adam  is currently offline Adam
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steve.kreys wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 13:42

Magnum wrote on Sun, 15 April 2018 09:18

The team basically needed their goal differential to be 50 goals better, to make the playoffs.

Eberle for Strome - 12 goal deficit
Pouliot for Jussi/Cammalleri - 8 goal deficit
Pitlick for More Jujhar - 5 goal deficit
Total loss: 23 goals

That would be 257 goals for. Good for low end playoff teams.

The scary part was goals against - 263, 7th worst in the league.

Take away what was done, call it a wash. But the more heinous of the crimes is what wasn’t done. Addressing the defense was so blatantly obvious.



just to be difficult and more a point of order. Eberle scored 20 goals last season with the oilers and strome got 13 so there is a 7 goal differential. JJ + Cam = 4--Poop potted 8 for 4 goal difference but Camm knocked 22pts while Poop got 14. So there is +8 in pts from one year to the next. Pitlick scored 8 times for the oilers in his last season while Khair scored 11 this year. have any of Eberle, Poop or Pitlick scored in the playoffs yet? They are on the golf course right now like the oilers. We will complain about the Eberle trade for years but after crapping the bed last playoffs he needed a change of scenery. While I think we all miss Pitlick he was a UFA and the oilers did everything the could make the guy feel welcome and kept him whenever he got injured. We have only so many positions that were open and I would take Jujar over him right now. Poop was a dead zone last year




Welcome to the site - or at least to contributing! We need more contributors here, so always good to hear a new voice.

A few points here:

1) To keep the level of discourse high, derogatory player nicknames are generally frowned upon. No matter your opinion of Pouliot, better to call him by his name.

2) I think you're cherry picking numbers here. You want to talk only goals with Eberle/Strome, and then convert to points for the others. If we're looking at this objectively, then I think you have to be consistent. The Oilers gave up a lot of goals and points from the players they shipped out last year compared to the players they brought in.

3) I don't believe in the narrative that someone "just needs a change" most of the time. Unless things are so ugly with the fanbase that a player can't touch the puck without cringing, then I believe the team is most likely going to be better in trying to salvage things than trading him at his lowest value. Even where there's issues with the fans, most good teams will try to intervene. It's rare that you see a head coach pile on a player that the fans are already clearly impacting like you did McLellan on Schultz, and there's a pretty good argument that he didn't do us any favours by doing that. Schultz was traded for next to nothing, and he's been a contributing member of two Cup-winning teams since.

Likewise, Eberle should have been given cover by the organization if he was feeling the heat from the spotlight, and we would have been better if we'd kept him than trading him for a guy who can be relied upon to score 20-30 points less each year at the same position.

4) Players don't make or miss the playoffs, teams do. Gretzky missed some years, Lemieux missed some years. McDavid is the best player in the game and that does not change because his team missed the playoffs. Saying that a departed player wasn't missed because they went to another bad team isn't really a solid argument, unless you believe that McDavid and Draisaitl aren't valuable based on where the Oilers are at.





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#FireLowe #FireMacT #FireHowson #FireBuchberger #FireHowsonAgain #FireChiarelli #FireMcLellan #FireBobbyNicks

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