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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713143 is a reply to message #713139 ]
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Nuge is Thoresen 2.0. Chicago will win the lottery with #7 :P


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I really hate this team right now.

Kiss my ass OIlers. see ya next year



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713145 is a reply to message #713139 ]
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Ugh, everyone associated with this team are morons. Gave up 2 draft positions to win a nothing game.


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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713146 is a reply to message #713145 ]
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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 22:54

Ugh, everyone associated with this team are morons. Gave up 2 draft positions to win a nothing game.

I am old school and a slight believer in Karma. I still believe the Oilers "beat" the Sabres in the McDavid lottery because the Sabres fully embraced tanking to an embarrassing level. Fans cheering when the visitors scored, etc.
I also don't believe in throwing a game.
They won and got the spot they got. It isnt like the odds are vastly different from 8th to 10th.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713149 is a reply to message #713146 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 01:06

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 22:54

Ugh, everyone associated with this team are morons. Gave up 2 draft positions to win a nothing game.

I am old school and a slight believer in Karma. I still believe the Oilers "beat" the Sabres in the McDavid lottery because the Sabres fully embraced tanking to an embarrassing level. Fans cheering when the visitors scored, etc.
I also don't believe in throwing a game.
They won and got the spot they got. It isnt like the odds are vastly different from 8th to 10th.



After all the years of losing I don't really feel like a better draft spot helps anymore. And that's a good point on the draft odds, they changed the rules so we wouldn't win again so easily.

Personally, I can't hope for losses anymore. We tanked so much that it destroyed the culture on the team, and losing was perfectly acceptable for years. I'm glad to see them finish the season with a couple of wins.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713150 is a reply to message #713146 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:06

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 22:54

Ugh, everyone associated with this team are morons. Gave up 2 draft positions to win a nothing game.

I am old school and a slight believer in Karma. I still believe the Oilers "beat" the Sabres in the McDavid lottery because the Sabres fully embraced tanking to an embarrassing level. Fans cheering when the visitors scored, etc.
I also don't believe in throwing a game.
They won and got the spot they got. It isnt like the odds are vastly different from 8th to 10th.



Was annoying though seeing all the guys being all loose and Talbot paying attention, and everyone is a hot dog sniper in the shootout. After all the bullcrap this team pulled all year, how it shows up just when you very clearly know you don't benefit from it. Just annoying.

Lol at Russell's magic goal save at the end there to rob Sedin of the winner in OT. After a year of unlimited starfishes. bleh!

Negative nancy prediction. #7 wins #1, #8 wins #2 and #10 wins #3. We pick 10th :P



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713152 is a reply to message #713150 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:12


Was annoying though seeing all the guys being all loose and Talbot paying attention, and everyone is a hot dog sniper in the shootout. After all the bullcrap this team pulled all year, how it shows up just when you very clearly know you don't benefit from it. Just annoying.

Lol at Russell's magic goal save at the end there to rob Sedin of the winner in OT. After a year of unlimited starfishes. bleh!

Negative nancy prediction. #7 wins #1, #8 wins #2 and #10 wins #3. We pick 10th :P


3 more years! 3 more years!

Seriously though, that was probably the most infuriating thing he's done all season. I get he was probably acting on instinct, but I mean come on... just let that one in and have their season end with a feel good story.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713162 is a reply to message #713150 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:12

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:06

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 22:54

Ugh, everyone associated with this team are morons. Gave up 2 draft positions to win a nothing game.

I am old school and a slight believer in Karma. I still believe the Oilers "beat" the Sabres in the McDavid lottery because the Sabres fully embraced tanking to an embarrassing level. Fans cheering when the visitors scored, etc.
I also don't believe in throwing a game.
They won and got the spot they got. It isnt like the odds are vastly different from 8th to 10th.



Was annoying though seeing all the guys being all loose and Talbot paying attention, and everyone is a hot dog sniper in the shootout. After all the bullcrap this team pulled all year, how it shows up just when you very clearly know you don't benefit from it. Just annoying.

Lol at Russell's magic goal save at the end there to rob Sedin of the winner in OT. After a year of unlimited starfishes. bleh!

Negative nancy prediction. #7 wins #1, #8 wins #2 and #10 wins #3. We pick 10th :P


That I agree with. The flashes of a good team here and there all season makes the overall results even harder to accept.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713151 is a reply to message #713146 ]
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Really, it's a crap shoot as to whether the player they draft will turn out to be a good NHLer anyway even in the top 5 usually. Classy of the organization to honor the Sedins the way they did. Good way to end the season.


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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713147 is a reply to message #713139 ]
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Well... congrats to McDavid for another Art Ross. Congrats to the Sedins on the careers they had.

May the odds be ever in our favour on Saturday April 28th. Last year saw some big movers from the lottery... could happen.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713154 is a reply to message #713147 ]
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Talking about a difference of a 1% chance.

I’d rather see a win. Worst case scenario we move down a few picks. Unless we were in the top 5 it sounded like a crap shoot. Let’s the balls drop like a 13 year old boy. We do one thing well and that’s draft lotteries.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713155 is a reply to message #713154 ]
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inverno76 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:34

Talking about a difference of a 1% chance.

I’d rather see a win. Worst case scenario we move down a few picks. Unless we were in the top 5 it sounded like a crap shoot. Let’s the balls drop like a 13 year old boy. We do one thing well and that’s draft lotteries.

I'm glad the Oilers (probably) won't be gifted another free pass.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713157 is a reply to message #713154 ]
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inverno76 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:34

Talking about a difference of a 1% chance.

I’d rather see a win. Worst case scenario we move down a few picks. Unless we were in the top 5 it sounded like a crap shoot. Let’s the balls drop like a 13 year old boy. We do one thing well and that’s draft lotteries.


It's not about a 2% difference in 3 different draws, it's about the starting draft position.

Your 1st round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 2nd round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 3rd round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 5th round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 6th round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 7th round pick is 2 picks worse

It's huge in a league where the gap between winning and losing is tiny. Every little advantage helps.



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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 00:45

inverno76 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:34

Talking about a difference of a 1% chance.

I’d rather see a win. Worst case scenario we move down a few picks. Unless we were in the top 5 it sounded like a crap shoot. Let’s the balls drop like a 13 year old boy. We do one thing well and that’s draft lotteries.


It's not about a 2% difference in 3 different draws, it's about the starting draft position.

Your 1st round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 2nd round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 3rd round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 5th round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 6th round pick is 2 picks worse
Your 7th round pick is 2 picks worse

It's huge in a league where the gap between winning and losing is tiny. Every little advantage helps.


Opinions on tanking and throwing games aside...

Outside of that top ten do you believe there is a huge difference in the picks in each other round?
We would never know but I would wonder how many times it REALLY happens that a team is about to pick someone in rounds 2-7 and that player get snapped up right before they pick.
You see teams draft players ranked dozens of spots from the actual pick slot so it isn't like it is the difference between McDavid and Noah Hanifin.
I am sure it happens but really the odds of the players after the 1st becoming a useful NHL'er become minimal. Of course good drafting teams find players there but the difference in 2 picks in the later rounds is almost immeasurably insignificant,



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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 00:55



Opinions on tanking and throwing games aside...

Outside of that top ten do you believe there is a huge difference in the picks in each other round?
We would never know but I would wonder how many times it REALLY happens that a team is about to pick someone in rounds 2-7 and that player get snapped up right before they pick.
You see teams draft players ranked dozens of spots from the actual pick slot so it isn't like it is the difference between McDavid and Noah Hanifin.
I am sure it happens but really the odds of the players after the 1st becoming a useful NHL'er become minimal. Of course good drafting teams find players there but the difference in 2 picks in the later rounds is almost immeasurably insignificant,


Nearly every time somebody trades up in the draft, it's because they are worried someone else will take their guy before they get a chance. It happens all the time. After the first round, a teams are more likely to focus in on one player. Having a higher pick means you have a better chance of getting the player you want, or are better positioned to be the team that moves down if someone else wants a specific player, or you have a more valuable asset to use to move up yourself. Like I said, every little bit counts. It's why teams like Tampa and Anaheim can fill positions from within the organization, and trade their older more expensive players to Montreal for wicked defensemen.



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 Re: Review: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #82) [message #713163 is a reply to message #713154 ]
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inverno76 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 22:34

Talking about a difference of a 1% chance.

I’d rather see a win. Worst case scenario we move down a few picks. Unless we were in the top 5 it sounded like a crap shoot. Let’s the balls drop like a 13 year old boy. We do one thing well and that’s draft lotteries.


Draft Odds of picking 1, 2, or 3..

TEAM 1 2 3
Buffalo 18.5 16.5 14.4 =49.4
Ottawa 13.5 13.0 12.3 =38.8
Arizona 11.5 11.3 11.1 =33.9
Montreal 9.5 9.6 9.7 =28.9
Detroit 8.5 8.7 8.9 =26.1
Vancouver 7.5 7.8 8.0 =23.3
Chicago 6.5 6.8 7.1 =20.4
NYR 6.0 6.3 6.7 =19.0
Edmonton 5.0 5.3 5.7 =16.0

Who knows, sometimes the consensus top 10 don't turn out that way, the lower draft order could force our scouts to pick someone they wouldn't have if they had a higher pick...

... but it won't matter, we're winning the ping pong ball contest anyway ! Oh YEAH!!
..Poor Daly is going to choke on his tongue trying to call out "The Edmonton Oilers"! weights

[Updated on: Sun, 08 April 2018 01:00]


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So LD decides NOW is the time to cash in on a slapper ...faint

Oh well.. hope we find some scraps at #9..








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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks, K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier

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Wasn't able to watch the game tonight but wondering if there was anything done to pay respect to the Humboldt Broncos like in the Winnipeg/Chicago game?


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Prince Albert 1 wrote on Sat, 07 April 2018 23:06

Wasn't able to watch the game tonight but wondering if there was anything done to pay respect to the Humboldt Broncos like in the Winnipeg/Chicago game?



Yes, both teams went to center ice, similar to the Jets. The center ice score clock had a Broncos logo instead of an Oilers... just a tragic day.



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Good, this abortion of a season is over. Now let's see whether TMac and Chia get the can before the Draft. The Rangers fired Vigneault just hours after the Rangers' season ended, that would be a good example for the Oil to follow...


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I'm one that is glad the team fought to the end, especially the save by Russell. If the team accept tanking for a better pick it is like the organization accepting the crappy season. Also picking a little lower may encourage the org to develop the pick properly, rather than trying to rush a lottery pick. I'm more concerned about the state of the development players than the current roster (which is scary for a non playoff team).

Larson looked like a different player last night, jumping up into the play on many occasions, I don't know if he is more relaxed with the playoff pressure being off or if he is developing how he plays?

I think that the D will not be too bad next year if we have a health Sek and Klef. I don't think we need to swing for the fences on d.I still believe klef and lars are a good top pair, Nurse looks like he's ready to be #3 and possible be in the top pair with lars. I think we need to look at the 4-5 spot with new blood with sek taking the othe 4-5 spot then bear and Russell have the 6-7 spot.

Another thing that needs to change is we need a decent year from Talbot, which I think he can get back to, lets not throw out the Dubnyk with the bathwater here.

Then the special team, I don't think we will fire TM but if we do not clear out the assistants we have some serious issues. The stats on both the PP and PK are really the difference between fighting for the playoffs and the turd of a season we had.



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ChasinStanley wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 07:59

I'm one that is glad the team fought to the end, especially the save by Russell. If the team accept tanking for a better pick it is like the organization accepting the crappy season. Also picking a little lower may encourage the org to develop the pick properly, rather than trying to rush a lottery pick. I'm more concerned about the state of the development players than the current roster (which is scary for a non playoff team).



...I agree...no professional should EVER accept losing...or look forward to being "rewarded" for tanking...

...development is a real concern...has been for years with this organization....too many players have been drafted by the Oilers, only to end up on other teams, usually in roles the Oilers never developed them for....Andrew Cogliano, Sam Gagner, Jeff Petry, Schultz, Dubnyk, Hall, etc....

...I kind of like the Defense moving forward, too....Klefbom should be able to rebound, although his career so far is riddled with injury issues...Nurse still has the occasional miscue, but he is really coming around....I hope Bear, Jones, and Mantha get the direction from the organization they need; the raw talent is there...Russell? Still a mystery to me....I'll keep my fingers crossed that Sek gets healthy and can play at the top of his game again - he's a gamer, for sure...

....Talbot's season does leave a lot of question marks...I think he can rebound,too...just hope he isn't shell-shocked the way Tommy Salo was after the Belarus incident in the 2006 Olympics - never the same after that






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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 08 April 2018 18:36



....Talbot's season does leave a lot of question marks...I think he can rebound,too...just hope he isn't shell-shocked the way Tommy Salo was after the Belarus incident in the 2006 Olympics - never the same after that




I seem to remember two commentators (for some reason I think one of them was Ray Ferraro - but that could be totally wrong) talking at the beginning of last season about the effect newborn twins would have on Cam Talbot. One of the commentators was saying how hard it will be for Talbot with two new babies and how his game will likely suffer a bit, the other one (Ferraro?) said that Talbot would be fine in the first season after they were born (last year) but the second year would be the one where his game might suffer. He used the rational that in the first year the babies will not be doing too much and Talbot's wife should be able to handle most of the problems that arise (assuming nothing major). He said that once the kids are more mobile, and doing much more then Talbot would have a harder time getting good rest and removing himself from his family to do his normal game day preparations (or something along those lines).

He said that he thought it would likely be the second year after their birth (the year that just finished) that Talbot might see some slip in his play and preparation. This has found its way into my head so many times this season when Talbot let in a week goal early in the game that I thought I should share it here.

Does any one else remember this?



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