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McDavid with Nuge and Aberg?? .... alright! Let’s see what this line can do


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That’s odd- I thought the Wild were the team playing a 2nd consecutive night.


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What’s Finnish for “Stop coughing up the puck in your own zone!”?


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One thing I will say about McDavid being stuck with Lucic for 2 months this year. It has really forced McDavid to just do it all himself, more than ever before. He's scoring goals like mad now.

Was that McLellan's mad genius plan all along? :)



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 10 March 2018 22:28

One thing I will say about McDavid being stuck with Lucic for 2 months this year. It has really forced McDavid to just do it all himself, more than ever before. He's scoring goals like mad now.

Was that McLellan's mad genius plan all along? :)


That’s one way to teach him it’s okay to shoot



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Sigh... Benning.


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OilMJMOil wrote on Sat, 10 March 2018 21:32

Sigh... Benning.

He clearly wants to get a rest on Tuesday night.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sat, 10 March 2018 22:33

OilMJMOil wrote on Sat, 10 March 2018 21:32

Sigh... Benning.

He clearly wants to get a rest on Tuesday night.


Sadly, if given the options between he and Auvitu, I’d rather Benning play. He’ll be good for at least a big hit against the Flames



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Gotta love all them McPoints!


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I hope we find a way to bring back Letestu next season. We really miss him on the PP and PK.


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For the first time in a long time, Talbot deserves most of the credit for a win.


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Talbot and McDavid were great and some players who haven't been showing much were on their game like Cagulla. Lucic looked a lot better playing on that second line with Drai And young mister Bear continues to impress. Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


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overdue wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:40

Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could ever have predicted that.



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Mike wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 13:59

overdue wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:40

Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could ever have predicted that.



Nobody making 3M/year from the Oilers to predict such things at least.


So damn happy Lucic finally got that goal and he can kinda look like a player again on the 2nd or lower line.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:13

Mike wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 13:59

overdue wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:40

Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could ever have predicted that.



Nobody making 3M/year from the Oilers to predict such things at least.





So Nuge for a back-up and a 3rd this offseason then? Clearly he is just a placeholder until Yamamoto gets the top spot straight out of training camp. Can't have management showing signs of weakness by being wrong about a player evaluation.



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ziltoid wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:13

Mike wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 13:59

overdue wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:40

Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could ever have predicted that.



Nobody making 3M/year from the Oilers to predict such things at least.





So Nuge for a back-up and a 3rd this offseason then? Clearly he is just a placeholder until Yamamoto gets the top spot straight out of training camp. Can't have management showing signs of weakness by being wrong about a player evaluation.


You don't think LB is going to be ready next year to be a reliable backup? I dunno. I think next year is finally the one, he's gonna be ready! icon_nod No need to get an experienced backup.

Can trade Nuge + lottery 1st + yams for a top 4 D (Faulk-type). Then trade Klef for a middle 6 winger that skates fast (but that's it).

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 21:20

ziltoid wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:13

Mike wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 13:59

overdue wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:40

Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could ever have predicted that.



Nobody making 3M/year from the Oilers to predict such things at least.





So Nuge for a back-up and a 3rd this offseason then? Clearly he is just a placeholder until Yamamoto gets the top spot straight out of training camp. Can't have management showing signs of weakness by being wrong about a player evaluation.


You don't think LB is going to be ready next year to be a reliable backup? I dunno. I think next year is finally the one, he's gonna be ready! icon_nod No need to get an experienced backup.

Can trade Nuge + lottery 1st + yams for a top 4 D (Faulk-type). Then trade Klef for a middle 6 winger that skates fast (but that's it).


Doesn't Montoya have an extra year on his deal? I think that box has quite soundly been checked. Just $1.0625MM too - right in Chia's normal price range for a backup!



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Adam wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 22:21

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 21:20

ziltoid wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:13

Mike wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 13:59

overdue wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 14:40

Nice to see McDavid play with someone who can actually make smart plays. That line has potential.


Nobody, and I mean NOBODY could ever have predicted that.



Nobody making 3M/year from the Oilers to predict such things at least.





So Nuge for a back-up and a 3rd this offseason then? Clearly he is just a placeholder until Yamamoto gets the top spot straight out of training camp. Can't have management showing signs of weakness by being wrong about a player evaluation.


You don't think LB is going to be ready next year to be a reliable backup? I dunno. I think next year is finally the one, he's gonna be ready! icon_nod No need to get an experienced backup.

Can trade Nuge + lottery 1st + yams for a top 4 D (Faulk-type). Then trade Klef for a middle 6 winger that skates fast (but that's it).


Doesn't Montoya have an extra year on his deal? I think that box has quite soundly been checked. Just $1.0625MM too - right in Chia's normal price range for a backup!



Right you are. Box checked. Just need 2 top 4 wingers and 2 top 4 d and were set!



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Good game to be at. Talbot was solid, made all the saves he should and a few timely big saves. FINALLy Nuge on McDavid's wing. Nuge gets a goal and an assist (McDavid goal), McDavid gets a PP goal but also a goal and assist(Nuge goal) 5 on 5. Aberg didn't look out of place either. Lucic with Leon makes sense to me. Lucic had a few good looks. I can't wait to have someone other than Cammellari on the other wing.

PK was solid. PP looked good. Big difference for me, McDavid SHOOTS. The McDavid PP goal was something that I have been calling for him to do since the start of the year. The cool thing was it was RIGHT IN FRONT of me so I could see it all. McDavid gets the puck on the side, opposition backs way off closing off all the passing lanes. There is traffic in front (Lucic causing chaos). Duby is looking around bodies. McDavid has time and space to take a few steps in and absolutely rip an uncontested shot. By the time Duby flinches, the puck is already going by him. Simple,EASY play that works all the time. If this was a few months ago, McDavid is trying to thread a pass through to someone. I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.



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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.



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If he keeps up his recent pace, he could contend for the Richard. Odds are certainly against him, but pump a few in against the Flames tomorrow and he could find himself just 4-5 back with about a dozen games to go. Playing with RNH, I wouldn't bet too much against him.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 14:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


Yeah, the last 2 years, especially on the PP, you would see teams basically parting the seas and giving him an free path right to the net, yet he would still dish it off.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


That seems to be the case indeed. He seems to be owning his reality. Help is not coming, time to be a bit selfish and do what you know will work. I love that he's dropping a bit of the Mr. Nine Guy habits, and instead impressing his will and skill on the world.



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Magnum wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


That seems to be the case indeed. He seems to be owning his reality. Help is not coming, time to be a bit selfish and do what you know will work. I love that he's dropping a bit of the Mr. Nine Guy habits, and instead impressing his will and skill on the world.

So you must think that Crosby owns his reality and realizes that no help is coming for him too?
Crosby's wingers are Connor Sheary (14g, 24pts, 67 GP), Jake Guentzel (20g, 41pts, 70GP) are elite wingers then? Decent players. Put them on another team without Crosby, are they putting up those numbers? Probably not.
IN yesterdays game, Malkin had Hagelin (8 goals, 25 pts, 69GP) and Hornqvist (20 g, 36pts, 58 GP). Are they elite? I wouldn't think so. Now the Pens do play Kessel with Malkin so he's elite. So they have 1 elite winger they can put in the top 6.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


But what changed in these last 2 months? I think it was being stuck with a winger that is simply never an option to pass to :) Even if he wanted to pass, there is no one to pass to. And in the rare case Lucic is available, he knows with 99.9% certainty that Lucic will do a worse job with the puck than what he would just do himself. Nice way to make him start realizing what he's capable of alone.

This all may just be Lucic's most valuable contribution to the Oilers that he will have during his entire term with the team.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


But what changed in these last 2 months? I think it was being stuck with a winger that is simply never an option to pass to :) Even if he wanted to pass, there is no one to pass to. And in the rare case Lucic is available, he knows with 99.9% certainty that Lucic will do a worse job with the puck than what he would just do himself. Nice way to make him start realizing what he's capable of alone.

This all may just be Lucic's most valuable contribution to the Oilers that he will have during his entire term with the team.


Here is something that I think people need to remember. I know its easy/fun to pick on management based on some mistakes. They suck, blah, blah, blah. I have heard it over and over again, I get it. AND this isn't me sticking up for Chia like some of you think my life's mission is.

McDavid is set to make 12.5 mill next year. Leon makes 8.5 mill. Now maybe Leon this season makes 1 mill more than he should. In the grand scheme of things, who cares if he makes 7.5 or 8.5. When you have only 2 guys making 20-21 mill, you aren't going to be able to completely surround them with elite wingers. That's REALITY. Because they make so much, you are always going to have guys on his wing who are lesser players to make the numbers work.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&season From=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=2&filte r=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,gamesPlayed

Here is the scoring leaders as of today. The next closest player salary wise to McDavid is Malkin and Malkin makes 3 mill LESS than McDavid will make. That is HUGE. Malkin is flanked a lot by one of the best offensive wingers in the league - Kessel - and Malkin has 38 goals this year. To be the best player he can be, McDavid HAS TOO shoot more.

You asked me why he is doing it now? He is already SO GOOD, we forget that he is barely 21 yrs old. So as good as McDavid is, he's still learning because he has so little experience. So I chalk up his change in mindset as more maturity kicking in and the realization of what he needs to do to continue to get better. Like it or not, even for the amazing McDavid, it takes time to learn the NHL.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:53

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


But what changed in these last 2 months? I think it was being stuck with a winger that is simply never an option to pass to :) Even if he wanted to pass, there is no one to pass to. And in the rare case Lucic is available, he knows with 99.9% certainty that Lucic will do a worse job with the puck than what he would just do himself. Nice way to make him start realizing what he's capable of alone.

This all may just be Lucic's most valuable contribution to the Oilers that he will have during his entire term with the team.


Here is something that I think people need to remember. I know its easy/fun to pick on management based on some mistakes. They suck, blah, blah, blah. I have heard it over and over again, I get it. AND this isn't me sticking up for Chia like some of you think my life's mission is.

McDavid is set to make 12.5 mill next year. Leon makes 8.5 mill. Now maybe Leon this season makes 1 mill more than he should. In the grand scheme of things, who cares if he makes 7.5 or 8.5. When you have only 2 guys making 20-21 mill, you aren't going to be able to completely surround them with elite wingers. That's REALITY. Because they make so much, you are always going to have guys on his wing who are lesser players to make the numbers work.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&season From=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=2&filte r=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,gamesPlayed

Here is the scoring leaders as of today. The next closest player salary wise to McDavid is Malkin and Malkin makes 3 mill LESS than McDavid will make. That is HUGE. Malkin is flanked a lot by one of the best offensive wingers in the league - Kessel - and Malkin has 38 goals this year. To be the best player he can be, McDavid HAS TOO shoot more.

You asked me why he is doing it now? He is already SO GOOD, we forget that he is barely 21 yrs old. So as good as McDavid is, he's still learning because he has so little experience. So I chalk up his change in mindset as more maturity kicking in and the realization of what he needs to do to continue to get better. Like it or not, even for the amazing McDavid, it takes time to learn the NHL.



You really don't want to give McLellan any credit for this I see. You're really ruining this for me. I'm trying to find a reason to think McLellan actually has a brilliant reason for doing something as stupid as keeping Lucic doing absolutely nothing with McDavid for 2 months.

Fine, McLellan is just terrible. You win.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 12:06

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:53

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 11:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 10:38

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:32

I don't know what has clicked in for McDavid but he seems to finally realize that the Oilers need him to be more of a scoring threat. By shooting more, you open up the pass because now you have the opposition wondering what he will do. A few months ago, I don't think teams respected McDavid shooting much because he usually tried to pass.


Not sure what happened either but I read this morning that he has 18 goals in the last 19 games and has 80 shots over that span.
It also says he has 233 on the season which is more than Hall or Kessel.

All surprising numbers to see but what makes me smile the most is that he is already one of if not the best in the league and is still improving on the lesser parts of his game.


I love it. I was ragging on McDavid a bit earlier in the season because I thought he should be a 35+ goal guy in his sleep. I was right. He's even more of a weapon now.


Question is, do we give McLellan credit or not? McDavid seems to have altered his game thes last 2 months because he has been stuck with 1 winger that is nowhere to be seen most of the time in the offensive zone. Figured out that nothing was gonna get done unless he just does it himself, and the results have been remarkable.


I believe this is all on McDavid. I think it took him awhile but I think McDavid has figured out that in order for his team to win more and for McDavid himself to be the best player he can be, he HAS to shoot more. I think don't think it has anything to do with his wingers. You can have the best wingers in the world and sometimes it will work but if all you do is pass and pass and pass, the opposition is going to do whatever they can to take away the pass. If you become a shooting threat, it will open the pass. I pray that he will continue to do what he is doing now which is take the best play given to him. If the best play you have is take the shot, take the shot!! If it's a pass, make the pass. For too long, McDavid would pass put premium scoring chances to try and set up someone for low percentage chances.


But what changed in these last 2 months? I think it was being stuck with a winger that is simply never an option to pass to :) Even if he wanted to pass, there is no one to pass to. And in the rare case Lucic is available, he knows with 99.9% certainty that Lucic will do a worse job with the puck than what he would just do himself. Nice way to make him start realizing what he's capable of alone.

This all may just be Lucic's most valuable contribution to the Oilers that he will have during his entire term with the team.


Here is something that I think people need to remember. I know its easy/fun to pick on management based on some mistakes. They suck, blah, blah, blah. I have heard it over and over again, I get it. AND this isn't me sticking up for Chia like some of you think my life's mission is.

McDavid is set to make 12.5 mill next year. Leon makes 8.5 mill. Now maybe Leon this season makes 1 mill more than he should. In the grand scheme of things, who cares if he makes 7.5 or 8.5. When you have only 2 guys making 20-21 mill, you aren't going to be able to completely surround them with elite wingers. That's REALITY. Because they make so much, you are always going to have guys on his wing who are lesser players to make the numbers work.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&season From=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&gameType=2&filte r=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,gamesPlayed

Here is the scoring leaders as of today. The next closest player salary wise to McDavid is Malkin and Malkin makes 3 mill LESS than McDavid will make. That is HUGE. Malkin is flanked a lot by one of the best offensive wingers in the league - Kessel - and Malkin has 38 goals this year. To be the best player he can be, McDavid HAS TOO shoot more.

You asked me why he is doing it now? He is already SO GOOD, we forget that he is barely 21 yrs old. So as good as McDavid is, he's still learning because he has so little experience. So I chalk up his change in mindset as more maturity kicking in and the realization of what he needs to do to continue to get better. Like it or not, even for the amazing McDavid, it takes time to learn the NHL.



You really don't want to give McLellan any credit for this I see. You're really ruining this for me. I'm trying to find a reason to think McLellan actually has a brilliant reason for doing something as stupid as keeping Lucic doing absolutely nothing with McDavid for 2 months.

Fine, McLellan is just terrible. You win.


Sorry. icon_lol I just don't see McLellan early in the year saying to McDavid "When you have the puck and the opposition backs WAY off giving you tons of time and space and allows you to walk into prime scoring spots while they do all they can to completely close off the passing lanes. Can you please pass up that shot in prime scoring spots and try to pass so we can see low percentage chances not going in? I see McLellan harping on McDavid early on shooting more. I personally thought McDavid was passing up the correct play which was him shooting to try to set guys up.



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