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So I hear that Platinum Blonde is coming to River Cree..


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MOAR CAGGIULAAAAAA

Must never try Pulju in OT. Must be safe with cagggeulia



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Strome, Caggiula and Nurse?????????????????

faint



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stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:44

Strome, Caggiula and Nurse?????????????????

faint


Mirrored the same thing in my house. Knew we were done and did.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:47

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:44

Strome, Caggiula and Nurse?????????????????

faint


Mirrored the same thing in my house. Knew we were done and did.


Season is over, and McLellan still can't bring himself to give Pulju some time in OT.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:51

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:47

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:44

Strome, Caggiula and Nurse?????????????????

faint


Mirrored the same thing in my house. Knew we were done and did.


Season is over, and McLellan still can't bring himself to give Pulju some time in OT.


Bizarre. No Nuge and they needed some speed. Caggiula's little poopyfit at the end summed it the season- turned his back on the slot and game over- oooooooops, stick slap, look upstairs, skate away, feel shame. At least they are consistent in their inconsistency.


Added: Caggiula fell on the sword for this loss, admitted he blew it in the post game interview.

[Updated on: Thu, 01 February 2018 23:23]


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God damn Pulju. If only he could learn English. This season is on him.


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Babaganoosh wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:58

God damn Pulju. If only he could learn English. This season is on him.


It really is.

We weren't allowed to start the year with even close to NHL quality RW depth because of Pulju's english.

We aren't allowed to have an NHL quality 1-timer that is good further tahn 10 ft from the net because of Pulju's english.

We have to put out Strome and Caggiula as our 2nd OT unit because of Pulju's english.

Damn kid man, he messed up badly. So bad the Oilers decided to get him an english tutor after he's been in the org for over 1 and a half years.

[Updated on: Thu, 01 February 2018 22:16]


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 Re: Review: Colorado @ Edmonton (Game #50) [message #708334 is a reply to message #708330 ]
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stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 20:44

Strome, Caggiula and Nurse?????????????????

faint

I wonder if Rishaug's first question to McLellan will be about how he came up with that trio for OT or if it will be about Montoya's fragile mental state?



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McDavid's goals were pretty good tonight but play of the day goes to Al Montoya ignoring Ryan Rishaug's question post-game. Awesome.


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Awesome. Not malicious or attacking at all, unlike some people.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/video/post-game-raw--al-montoya/t -277437406/c-57274203




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Looks like Larsson's father had a health issue and unfortunately passed away according to his IG cry

Wishing you all the best Lars!

[Updated on: Fri, 02 February 2018 00:32]


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Gator21 wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 23:30

Looks like Larsson's father had a health issue and unfortunately passed away according to his IG cry

Wishing you all the best Lars!




Just heard that his father was just 50. Never easy to lose a loved one, but that's relatively young.



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MJ wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:44

Gator21 wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 23:30

Looks like Larsson's father had a health issue and unfortunately passed away according to his IG cry

Wishing you all the best Lars!




Just heard that his father was just 50. Never easy to lose a loved one, but that's relatively young.



...very sad.....I didn't realize Adam Larsson's father had been a Los Angeles King draft pick...

https://www.tsn.ca/father-of-oilers-larsson-passes-away-at-5 0-1.986586






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Adam wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:28

McDavid's goals were pretty good tonight but play of the day goes to Al Montoya ignoring Ryan Rishaug's question post-game. Awesome.


Got up too early so tuned into TSN 1260 hopeful of hot takes as the media bumbles all over themselves. I am so far not disappointed.

Nielsen compares Montoya refusing to talk to the media yesterday morning to a lawyer refusing to talk to their client on the day of a trial.

Yup, exactly the same thing! rofl



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I watched most of the game and was blown away to hear that McDavid's goal was his first in I think they said 13 games. If you want to know why in my opinion the Oilers are where they are, there is a prime example. I know there are other of the Oilers top guys who are in slumps. People can blame the coaches, blame the GM and deservedly so but when your best players aren't playing to their capabilities, it doesn't matter much. How the fastest, arguably most offensively gifted player in the league can go 13 games without a goal is mind boggling. Then I watched McDavid pass up prime shot after prime shot to try and set someone up for a low percentage chance and no wonder the Oilers suck. People complain about not having enough good wingers on the team for McDavid which I am not saying isn't a valid complaint. But I watched on a PP where McDavid had the puck in the area between the hash marks closest to the goal and the faceoff dot, so a decent shooting spot. He had time, he had traffic in front, he had guys going to the net. Did he do the simply, high percentage play and put the puck on net? NAH, why the hell would an Oiler do that, makes too much sense. What McDavid did and what he does all the time is he stick handled more to the middle, got his shooting angle even better, then fired a pass off towards the corner towards Drai so Drai could get off a sharp angled shot. Now Drai because he is so skilled made a good shot but unless he was standing right beside McDavid which would be dumb and make it even easier on the opposition to defend you, Drai was in the best spot he could be. So there was next to no net to shoot at given where he was. So unless the goalie completely tanked on the shot or an act of god happened, the chances of that shot going in were next to none.

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.




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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.




15th actually. I was absolutely flabbergasted that after reviewing it the first time they called it a goal. No way no how is that ever a goal in the NHL. Not upset at all that it was overruled.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:18

15th actually. I was absolutely flabbergasted that after reviewing it the first time they called it a goal. No way no how is that ever a goal in the NHL. Not upset at all that it was overruled.



Thanks for the correction! I'm with you, no way that was a goal and had the same reaction.



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There is an unmistakable bias (whether inherent or developed from years of tanking) against the Oilers by NHL officials and Toronto. It is simply a fact of life. If this team is ever to win a Stanley, they’re going to have to overcome 2 separate teams at once throughout the playoffs.

The way the league handles suspensions and officiating are big reasons why I’ve turned off for about 3-4 years. It’s a garbage league I’m somewhat sorry to say.



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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.



I am of the opinion that if you are McDavid and you are the fastest player in the league. On top of that, there are lots of players that are really fast but can't handle the puck at full speed overly well. Well McDavid is the fastest guy in the league who on top of that, can handle the puck and make plays at his ridiculous speed better than anyone else. So he's the fastest most offensively skilled guy in the league, even though he likes to set up guys, he has no business not being a 35+ goal guy. He should be able to do that every year easily. He's on pace for way less than that. That is a fail on his part and it has nothing to do with wingers. He passes up WAY, WAY, WAY too many premium scoring chances to try and set up guys. That is 100% on him.

I also think and this in an angle that NO ONE takes. I think that while I agree that the Oilers need to find better wingers for him, I also think that some of the issues with McDavid's wingers is on him. He can do things and put the puck in places that probably 99% of the players in the league flat out can't do. McDavid in the last 2 seasons has played a significant amount of time with Drai. Drai talent wise is probably easily in the top 10% of the league. Drai would be the #1 center and best player on most teams. McDavid tries to set up Drai in ways that even Drai can't convert because he's not on McDavid's level. So is that Drai's fault? I would say no. So it is incumbent on McDavid to set up the guys he plays with in a way that they have a legit chance to convert. If you fire a pass across to set up a guy for a one timer that he has to bat it out of the air, is it the wingers fault he can't convert when in reality only McDavid and maybe a couple others can? Or if you fire a pass across and the only spot a guy can score from is a spot that only a handful of guys can hit, is that the wingers fault? I would say no. The goal McDavid scored where he batted the puck out of the air was incredible. Not many guys could do that. Put if it was McDavid passing the puck out to who ever, some would complain there was another example of McDavid setting up a guy and the winger not being good enough to convert.

So while again, I think they need to work on finding wingers that mesh better with McDavid. I also thing that McDavid needs to learn how to play better with who is with him. That means when you set up a guy, you set him up in high percentage areas. Expecting wingers to convert your set ups when in reality, very few can, is unrealistic.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:26

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.



I am of the opinion that if you are McDavid and you are the fastest player in the league. On top of that, there are lots of players that are really fast but can't handle the puck at full speed overly well. Well McDavid is the fastest guy in the league who on top of that, can handle the puck and make plays at his ridiculous speed better than anyone else. So he's the fastest most offensively skilled guy in the league, even though he likes to set up guys, he has no business not being a 35+ goal guy. He should be able to do that every year easily. He's on pace for way less than that. That is a fail on his part and it has nothing to do with wingers. He passes up WAY, WAY, WAY too many premium scoring chances to try and set up guys. That is 100% on him.

I also think and this in an angle that NO ONE takes. I think that while I agree that the Oilers need to find better wingers for him, I also think that some of the issues with McDavid's wingers is on him. He can do things and put the puck in places that probably 99% of the players in the league flat out can't do. McDavid in the last 2 seasons has played a significant amount of time with Drai. Drai talent wise is probably easily in the top 10% of the league. Drai would be the #1 center and best player on most teams. McDavid tries to set up Drai in ways that even Drai can't convert because he's not on McDavid's level. So is that Drai's fault? I would say no. So it is incumbent on McDavid to set up the guys he plays with in a way that they have a legit chance to convert. If you fire a pass across to set up a guy for a one timer that he has to bat it out of the air, is it the wingers fault he can't convert when in reality only McDavid and maybe a couple others can? Or if you fire a pass across and the only spot a guy can score from is a spot that only a handful of guys can hit, is that the wingers fault? I would say no. The goal McDavid scored where he batted the puck out of the air was incredible. Not many guys could do that. Put if it was McDavid passing the puck out to who ever, some would complain there was another example of McDavid setting up a guy and the winger not being good enough to convert.

So while again, I think they need to work on finding wingers that mesh better with McDavid. I also thing that McDavid needs to learn how to play better with who is with him. That means when you set up a guy, you set him up in high percentage areas. Expecting wingers to convert your set ups when in reality, very few can, is unrealistic.


Yeah because the best player on the planet really needs to dumb down his play so a bunch of hacks can keep up. That's our whole problem. Not the fact he has no wingers cause management gutted our strongest area while addressing nothing. Not the fact we went all in on old slow players that can't keep up. Not the fact we put all our eggs in on Talbot. McDavids the problem. Do you think at all before posting this drivel.



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Babaganoosh wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:26

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.



I am of the opinion that if you are McDavid and you are the fastest player in the league. On top of that, there are lots of players that are really fast but can't handle the puck at full speed overly well. Well McDavid is the fastest guy in the league who on top of that, can handle the puck and make plays at his ridiculous speed better than anyone else. So he's the fastest most offensively skilled guy in the league, even though he likes to set up guys, he has no business not being a 35+ goal guy. He should be able to do that every year easily. He's on pace for way less than that. That is a fail on his part and it has nothing to do with wingers. He passes up WAY, WAY, WAY too many premium scoring chances to try and set up guys. That is 100% on him.

I also think and this in an angle that NO ONE takes. I think that while I agree that the Oilers need to find better wingers for him, I also think that some of the issues with McDavid's wingers is on him. He can do things and put the puck in places that probably 99% of the players in the league flat out can't do. McDavid in the last 2 seasons has played a significant amount of time with Drai. Drai talent wise is probably easily in the top 10% of the league. Drai would be the #1 center and best player on most teams. McDavid tries to set up Drai in ways that even Drai can't convert because he's not on McDavid's level. So is that Drai's fault? I would say no. So it is incumbent on McDavid to set up the guys he plays with in a way that they have a legit chance to convert. If you fire a pass across to set up a guy for a one timer that he has to bat it out of the air, is it the wingers fault he can't convert when in reality only McDavid and maybe a couple others can? Or if you fire a pass across and the only spot a guy can score from is a spot that only a handful of guys can hit, is that the wingers fault? I would say no. The goal McDavid scored where he batted the puck out of the air was incredible. Not many guys could do that. Put if it was McDavid passing the puck out to who ever, some would complain there was another example of McDavid setting up a guy and the winger not being good enough to convert.

So while again, I think they need to work on finding wingers that mesh better with McDavid. I also thing that McDavid needs to learn how to play better with who is with him. That means when you set up a guy, you set him up in high percentage areas. Expecting wingers to convert your set ups when in reality, very few can, is unrealistic.


Yeah because the best player on the planet really needs to dumb down his play so a bunch of hacks can keep up. That's our whole problem. Not the fact he has no wingers cause management gutted our strongest area while addressing nothing. Not the fact we went all in on old slow players that can't keep up. Not the fact we put all our eggs in on Talbot. McDavids the problem. Do you think at all before posting this drivel.



To be fair, we addressed cap space, which was a huge problem because you can't win in today's NHL without a new million in extra cap space saved for a rainy day... Think of all the 4th lines we need to overpay this offseason!



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To be fair, McDavid's goals against average is nothing to brag about either.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 13:02

To be fair, McDavid's goals against average is nothing to brag about either.


Is he playing goalie now as well?



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:26

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.



I am of the opinion that if you are McDavid and you are the fastest player in the league. On top of that, there are lots of players that are really fast but can't handle the puck at full speed overly well. Well McDavid is the fastest guy in the league who on top of that, can handle the puck and make plays at his ridiculous speed better than anyone else. So he's the fastest most offensively skilled guy in the league, even though he likes to set up guys, he has no business not being a 35+ goal guy. He should be able to do that every year easily. He's on pace for way less than that. That is a fail on his part and it has nothing to do with wingers. He passes up WAY, WAY, WAY too many premium scoring chances to try and set up guys. That is 100% on him.

I also think and this in an angle that NO ONE takes. I think that while I agree that the Oilers need to find better wingers for him, I also think that some of the issues with McDavid's wingers is on him. He can do things and put the puck in places that probably 99% of the players in the league flat out can't do. McDavid in the last 2 seasons has played a significant amount of time with Drai. Drai talent wise is probably easily in the top 10% of the league. Drai would be the #1 center and best player on most teams. McDavid tries to set up Drai in ways that even Drai can't convert because he's not on McDavid's level. So is that Drai's fault? I would say no. So it is incumbent on McDavid to set up the guys he plays with in a way that they have a legit chance to convert. If you fire a pass across to set up a guy for a one timer that he has to bat it out of the air, is it the wingers fault he can't convert when in reality only McDavid and maybe a couple others can? Or if you fire a pass across and the only spot a guy can score from is a spot that only a handful of guys can hit, is that the wingers fault? I would say no. The goal McDavid scored where he batted the puck out of the air was incredible. Not many guys could do that. Put if it was McDavid passing the puck out to who ever, some would complain there was another example of McDavid setting up a guy and the winger not being good enough to convert.

So while again, I think they need to work on finding wingers that mesh better with McDavid. I also thing that McDavid needs to learn how to play better with who is with him. That means when you set up a guy, you set him up in high percentage areas. Expecting wingers to convert your set ups when in reality, very few can, is unrealistic.


You make a compelling argument about McDavid. He really is in a league of his own in some ways. One of the knocks on Eberle was that he couldn't play with McD and probably for reasons you have mentioned. Nobody else thinks the game like him. So keep it simple, just get to the net and wait for a rebound or pass.Maroon is the only one that gets that it seems. The coaches should be telling him to shoot more because (that way he will actually score more helping the team to win more ) and also for more garbage goal opportunities for the pluggers that are playing with him. So many plays wasted by the whole team on low percentage passes, him included! If you watch Tamps and Vegas play you see how uncomplicated winning hockey can be. ( Their coaching staffs are much better at managing player assets properly and putting players in a position to be successful mind you )

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overdue wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 14:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:26

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 08:34

The woes of this team aren't all on McDavid and I thought overall, he was decent. He scored 2 goals so obviously he was. But I can see why this team doesn't win. If your captain and best player by a mile doesn't want to play a more simple, winning style of hockey, why the hell should the rest of your team.


Sounds like you hate watched the game and while McDavid passes instead of shoots, the fact his wingers can't complete a shot without fanning or bumbling isn't on McDavid. That's his M.O., always was and always will be. To lament just him isn't fair. It's on the team who can't keep up and complete the play. Yeah it's frustrating, for sure it is.

I left the game before the tying goal, the game was boring, uneventful and lacked emotion for a team trying to have a respectable finish. Seriously that first was so slow and rusty I was disinterested and wished I could flip the channel.. can't do that when you're there. So I lumbered through and the second some action but it was purely Colorado. The rust was still there except for McDavid he was trying everything.

Can you believe some people got legitimately upset that the goal in the second would be disallowed? You can't push the entire goalie in the crease with your stick and be upset that Toronto took it away and then I read tweets that it was the 11th straight time Toronto went again the Oilers. That wasn't a goal and the fact that they called it a goal upon initial review was silly, Toronto was right to get them back on the phone to call it back. Thanks refs, but that shouldn't have counted. It didn't and I'm glad the arena moved on.



I am of the opinion that if you are McDavid and you are the fastest player in the league. On top of that, there are lots of players that are really fast but can't handle the puck at full speed overly well. Well McDavid is the fastest guy in the league who on top of that, can handle the puck and make plays at his ridiculous speed better than anyone else. So he's the fastest most offensively skilled guy in the league, even though he likes to set up guys, he has no business not being a 35+ goal guy. He should be able to do that every year easily. He's on pace for way less than that. That is a fail on his part and it has nothing to do with wingers. He passes up WAY, WAY, WAY too many premium scoring chances to try and set up guys. That is 100% on him.

I also think and this in an angle that NO ONE takes. I think that while I agree that the Oilers need to find better wingers for him, I also think that some of the issues with McDavid's wingers is on him. He can do things and put the puck in places that probably 99% of the players in the league flat out can't do. McDavid in the last 2 seasons has played a significant amount of time with Drai. Drai talent wise is probably easily in the top 10% of the league. Drai would be the #1 center and best player on most teams. McDavid tries to set up Drai in ways that even Drai can't convert because he's not on McDavid's level. So is that Drai's fault? I would say no. So it is incumbent on McDavid to set up the guys he plays with in a way that they have a legit chance to convert. If you fire a pass across to set up a guy for a one timer that he has to bat it out of the air, is it the wingers fault he can't convert when in reality only McDavid and maybe a couple others can? Or if you fire a pass across and the only spot a guy can score from is a spot that only a handful of guys can hit, is that the wingers fault? I would say no. The goal McDavid scored where he batted the puck out of the air was incredible. Not many guys could do that. Put if it was McDavid passing the puck out to who ever, some would complain there was another example of McDavid setting up a guy and the winger not being good enough to convert.

So while again, I think they need to work on finding wingers that mesh better with McDavid. I also thing that McDavid needs to learn how to play better with who is with him. That means when you set up a guy, you set him up in high percentage areas. Expecting wingers to convert your set ups when in reality, very few can, is unrealistic.


You make a compelling argument about McDavid. He really is in a league of his own in some ways. One of the knocks on Eberle was that he couldn't play with McD and probably for reasons you have mentioned. Nobody else thinks the game like him. So keep it simple, just get to the net and wait for a rebound or pass.Maroon is the only one that gets that it seems. The coaches should be telling him to shoot more because (that way he will actually score more helping the team to win more ) and also for more garbage goal opportunities for the pluggers that are playing with him. So many plays wasted by the whole team on low percentage passes, him included! If you watch Tamps and Vegas play you see how uncomplicated winning hockey can be. ( Their coaching staffs are much better at managing player assets properly and putting players in a position to be successful mind you )



I think it is fair to say he should shoot more but even the best of the best have trouble adapting a style of game overnight.
McDavid has spent an estimated 16 or so years developing into one of the better passers in hockey. It isnt as simple as saying "shoot more" and all of a sudden he is a 50 goal scorer. I wouldnt be surprised if his goal totals fluctuate some over the next 5 or so years but to expect him, in his third season, to suddenly be a shoot first guy like OV or Stamkos is wishful thinking.

It is also important to note that he is 21st in the league in shots this season with 157 . That doesnt mean he couldnt stand to shoot an extra time or two a game but even if he led the league with 215 it would only mean roughly 6 more goals based on his 10.8% shooting percentage.
Those 6 goals, unless they were all extremely timely wouldn't make a big difference in the season win column.

The Oilers have been guilty for years of trying to force a round peg in a square hole to disastrous results at times. McDavid is what he is. He will improve and evolve, most true superstars do, but to expect a huge change in style is setting yourself up for disappointment.

While I am not one to think that McDavid is beyond blame EVER, trying to lay blame at his feet for much this season is pretty embarrassing. The list of people who share in the blame for this debacle of a season is long, but the percentage of that blame that goes to McDavid puts him WAY down that list.




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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 15:08



While I am not one to think that McDavid is beyond blame EVER, trying to lay blame at his feet for much this season is pretty embarrassing. The list of people who share in the blame for this debacle of a season is long, but the percentage of that blame that goes to McDavid puts him WAY down that list.




Yet he will stand up and take a lot of the blame because that is the kind of dude he is. Meanwhile, the architects of this disaster will get off scot free, and will select a few goats to sacrifice and grumble about how they wish people knew as much about winning as they do.



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MJ wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 05:57

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:28

McDavid's goals were pretty good tonight but play of the day goes to Al Montoya ignoring Ryan Rishaug's question post-game. Awesome.


Got up too early so tuned into TSN 1260 hopeful of hot takes as the media bumbles all over themselves. I am so far not disappointed.

Nielsen compares Montoya refusing to talk to the media yesterday morning to a lawyer refusing to talk to their client on the day of a trial.

Yup, exactly the same thing! rofl


And to be fair, Bob McKenzie figures Rishaug shouldn't have even tweeted a thing about it. Rishaug himself had nothing negative to say and was generally apologetic about what blew up on twitter and had no issues with the non-answer last night. Just Nielsen with head-up-bum syndrome at 6am to start his show.



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MJ wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 07:57

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:28

McDavid's goals were pretty good tonight but play of the day goes to Al Montoya ignoring Ryan Rishaug's question post-game. Awesome.


Got up too early so tuned into TSN 1260 hopeful of hot takes as the media bumbles all over themselves. I am so far not disappointed.

Nielsen compares Montoya refusing to talk to the media yesterday morning to a lawyer refusing to talk to their client on the day of a trial.

Yup, exactly the same thing! rofl


I love that Montoya did that. Rishaug is a tool.



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OilPeg wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 09:54

MJ wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 07:57

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:28

McDavid's goals were pretty good tonight but play of the day goes to Al Montoya ignoring Ryan Rishaug's question post-game. Awesome.


Got up too early so tuned into TSN 1260 hopeful of hot takes as the media bumbles all over themselves. I am so far not disappointed.

Nielsen compares Montoya refusing to talk to the media yesterday morning to a lawyer refusing to talk to their client on the day of a trial.

Yup, exactly the same thing! rofl


I love that Montoya did that. Rishaug is a tool.


Rishaug used to be a well mannered guy who I thought was building a solid reputation as an unbiased, reasoned Oilers reporter. The guy’s ego has blown up in the past 3 years, especially since his little dispute with Yakupov, which was also unprofessional and embarrassing for him. Gregor’s arrogant nature has really rubbed off on him in a bad way.

His tweet last night was awful and he should be publicly shamed for garbage like that. Dusty’s rant this morning in a kind of solidarity of his TSN co worker was pretty bad too. These guys need to focus on holding everyone from the top down to account rather than a back up goalie on game day, what a joke.

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Seems a lot of the 1260 guys are in full pissbaby mode about it. Time to switch to podcasts instead of radio for the drive for a while.


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Skoobz wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:28

Seems a lot of the 1260 guys are in full pissbaby mode about it. Time to switch to podcasts instead of radio for the drive for a while.

I can't get over how important the media thinks it is. Like, what they are is in their title, "media". They're literally the middle part between the story and the consumer. That's it! I also don't understand how it's so hard to tell the story of Montoya's first start with the Oilers without a quote from Montoya.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 10:32

Skoobz wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 11:28

Seems a lot of the 1260 guys are in full pissbaby mode about it. Time to switch to podcasts instead of radio for the drive for a while.

I can't get over how important the media thinks it is. Like, what they are is in their title, "media". They're literally the middle part between the story and the consumer. That's it! I also don't understand how it's so hard to tell the story of Montoya's first start with the Oilers without a quote from Montoya.


I knew there was something empty at the beginning of yesterday's game. I needed to hear that he was going to give 110% and there's no I in team and he ate razor blades for breakfast.

So much of the media is propped up by the Oilers themselves in what is truly propaganda, they've lost the plot. See Rishaug, Stauffer (acceptable as he is the definition of propaganda being an Oilers employee) "leaking" hirings, trades, signings well before they happen.

I did enjoy Lowetide's guest, Steve Lansky of http://bigmouthsports.com/ ripping the media a new one for the whine fest over the past day.

Lowetide remained very much neutral on it all.

I did enjoy the amount of philosophical discussion on media and their role in sports. There's the fear that we'll go to one day only having propaganda in the form of team-only interviews in the form of online video / podcasts /etc and not true hard-hitting journalism we have now. I tremendously chuckled when Lowetide's producer claimed that we need guys like Rishaug for his hard-hitting journalism. The Oilers are treated with kid gloves, but at least Lowetide and his producer were able to cite a couple guys hitting the Eskimos with hard questions after Hervey was fired. Note, they had no examples with regards to the Oilers, because of course they don't!

The only crutch that they have to fall back on is the CBA mandates media availability from players on game day. Carey Price gets away with it on a consistent basis to my understanding, but let's all have a temper tantrum when the backup goaltender chooses to do the same.

I had more than enough sports radio today, but amusing way to kill nearly my whole shift working through the morning!

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MJ wrote on Fri, 02 February 2018 06:57

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 21:28

McDavid's goals were pretty good tonight but play of the day goes to Al Montoya ignoring Ryan Rishaug's question post-game. Awesome.


Got up too early so tuned into TSN 1260 hopeful of hot takes as the media bumbles all over themselves. I am so far not disappointed.

Nielsen compares Montoya refusing to talk to the media yesterday morning to a lawyer refusing to talk to their client on the day of a trial.

Yup, exactly the same thing! rofl


I would have gone with the analogy of a cop pulling you over, and then when he comes to your window, you pretend he doesn't exist and drive off.



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We don't play again until Monday!?!? What the...???

This schedule is terrible. Does it seem to anyone else that the NHL maybe thought the IOC would cave and they'd be in the Olympics right away? That's the only reason I can think for this brutal schedule.



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