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They really thought they didn't have to play at all in the 3rd? Sheesh.

Can this team learn some lessons soon? Kinda need to if they want any chance to get back in the race.



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Wow. I can't imagine that TMac or Chia, nor any of the players are feeling very confident in front of Broissoit. He let in a few grossssssssss goals tonight. That Gaudreau tally was absolutely awful.


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Yeah, those last 2 goals vs Brossoit absolutely have no business going in vs an NHL goalis. I wouldn't be at all upset if Ellis got the start next game.


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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 01:39

Yeah, those last 2 goals vs Brossoit absolutely have no business going in vs an NHL goalis. I wouldn't be at all upset if Ellis got the start next game.


Yeah, 1 game now over the next week. If Talbot is looking like he can be back Saturday, why not give Ellis a shot. If Ellis does well against Philly, maybe you can think about moving on from LB.



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Four bad plays , 2 by the goalie almost cost them the game. Couldn't believe they would go to sleep after all the losing they have done this season!


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What the heck just happened?!? icon_smile icon_neutral icon_rolleyes icon_frown icon_dead rofl


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Hey atleast it was entertaining. We need goaltending help here. Ellis needs to pull a Moog.


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overdue wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 23:53

Four bad plays , 2 by the goalie almost cost them the game. Couldn't believe they would go to sleep after all the losing they have done this season!

This game proved 2 things to me...JP has arrived and is a legit NHL player and Broissoit may be very close to closing the book on his NHL career.



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Prince Albert 1 wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 21:56

overdue wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 23:53

Four bad plays , 2 by the goalie almost cost them the game. Couldn't believe they would go to sleep after all the losing they have done this season!

This game proved 2 things to me...JP has arrived and is a legit NHL player and Broissoit may be very close to closing the book on his NHL career.


Two of those goals should never go in, and another was more than stoppable, he let the Flames back in, and almost single-handedly lost it. Worst was his mental collapse, you can let in occasional bad goals, but mental melt downs like he had tonight will kill a team, and his career. Pro goalies don't perform like that, and when they do it is soon followed by a bus ticket out of town.. Maybe he needs a complete rebuild of his technique, like Dubnyk went through before he went to Minnesota. What are Oiler goalie coaches doing to help this kid? Maybe he needs a new goalie coach

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So this time yesterday, I awoke to watch one of the best games of rugby ever (even if England lost), then I had an outstanding football game... This was going into the third the cherry on the icing on top of the cake. Still we came out with a win, and that's what matters the most, and it doesn't matter how you win.

LB did well till the second goal went in and then looked very wobbly, his confidence was blown which is a bit concerning.

Maroon had a good game, enjoyed his whole game on that line, doing everything you want from him.

The only downsides were of course the comeback, but also the amount of breakaways we didn't score on. That could have put the game to bed even sooner.



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Jeezy Pete, we need a real backup.

A few dumb plays that, fortunately, didn't end up losing us the game.

JP is coming into his own and I couldn't be happier.



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Dang. That zero effort game vs Buffalo, and that sad end vs TO. If neither happened we would be at least 1 game under .500 right now, and possibly .500 if we won that TO one in OT. Instead, still 3 games under.

Hope the team shows up against Philly.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 22:59

Dang. That zero effort game vs Buffalo, and that sad end vs TO. If neither happened we would be at least 1 game under .500 right now, and possibly .500 if we won that TO one in OT. Instead, still 3 games under.

Hope the team shows up against Philly.


Philly's lost 10 in a row, so it's a perfect opportunity for us to play slump busters.

EDIT: They're playing Calgary first, so maybe -Calgary- will bust their slump, and then we can win.



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vsove wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 23:00

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 22:59

Dang. That zero effort game vs Buffalo, and that sad end vs TO. If neither happened we would be at least 1 game under .500 right now, and possibly .500 if we won that TO one in OT. Instead, still 3 games under.

Hope the team shows up against Philly.


Philly's lost 10 in a row, so it's a perfect opportunity for us to play slump busters.

EDIT: They're playing Calgary first, so maybe -Calgary- will bust their slump, and then we can win.


Yeah, let's hope the flames can help them out with that slump 1st. Because if they are down 11 in a row against us...ugh.



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Take it to the negativity thread! Wait is there one? Man I was watching with a Flames fan so after the Brodie own goal I forgot all that happend in the 3rd before that.

Take the 2 points!

Also imagine how different the Ducks series last season went if McLellan called a time out in Game 5.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 23:35

Take it to the negativity thread! Wait is there one? Man I was watching with a Flames fan so after the Brodie own goal I forgot all that happend in the 3rd before that.

Take the 2 points!

Also imagine how different the Ducks series last season went if McLellan called a time out in Game 5.



Fine. Here, something to liven up the mood

https://twitter.com/brandonCrowe10/status/937183265332461568



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 22:42

WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 23:35

Take it to the negativity thread! Wait is there one? Man I was watching with a Flames fan so after the Brodie own goal I forgot all that happend in the 3rd before that.

Take the 2 points!

Also imagine how different the Ducks series last season went if McLellan called a time out in Game 5.



Fine. Here, something to liven up the mood

https://twitter.com/brandonCrowe10/status/937183265332461568

I laughed so hard when I heard that live, and so did Cassie.



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Hmm...at work Christmas party: Winning 6-1

Come home to watch, seeing as "surely even we can't blow a 5 goal lead with 10 to go"

Score now 6-5.

Sorry lads, I'll quit watching.

1 min later...7-5

You're...welcome?



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Solid game for Brossoit until the 3rd. Young goalie with a bright future ahead of him, lots to learn from this one.

Glad we pulled it through.



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TeemaJeema wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 00:00

Solid game for Brossoit until the 3rd. Young goalie with a bright future ahead of him, lots to learn from this one.

Glad we pulled it through.


I would have said that a year but as the same crappy goals continue to sift through him I'm starting to have my doubts.



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TeemaJeema wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 22:00

Solid game for Brossoit until the 3rd. Young goalie with a bright future ahead of him, lots to learn from this one.

Glad we pulled it through.

I know in Edmonton the goalie is protected, and that is better than being a goalie graveyard. But 10 goals in two games...



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Brossoit tried to lose it for the Oilers. He was felt out terrible in the 3rd. Puljajarvi looks to be coming which is exciting. Another goal by Khaira who according to some is a brutal player. Lucia was a force and I thought Russell had another good game. Big win!

Another great game by the Flames defence. They give up 6 5 on 5 goals, a shorty and if not for Brossoit looking like an ECHL goalie, the game is a laugher on their home ice. Harmonic looks really good. icon_lol

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TeemaJeema wrote on Sat, 02 December 2017 23:00

Solid game for Brossoit until the 3rd. Young goalie with a bright future ahead of him, lots to learn from this one.



...Brossoit may have a bright future ahead of him, but I feel it may be as an AHL or European goalie....I think he is another Mike Morrison, Ty Conklin, Joaquin Gage, Jeff Deslauriers....just not quite able to make the leap to the NHL...he may be suffering from the Dubnyk syndrome, too - support from the Edmonton Oilers stifles his abilities...

....how about former Oil King Tristian Jarry with the Penguins? He struggled in his first few NHL games, but came through for Pittsburgh this weekend in back-to-back starts...yeah, I know, it was against Buffalo both times, but the Sabres are still an NHL team....

....I don't think Brossoit (or Ellis) or the current coaching systems are the answer to Oiler goaltending woes...hope I'm wrong and TeemaJeema is right....

....here's to a speedy and complete recovery for Cam Talbot...




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LB is pretty fragile, for sure. I don't know where he goes from here, rock bottom for him personally. He really didn't look like he had anything to fall back on to help himself recover, that goes on him as a goaltender and that goes on the goaltender coach.

In the Flames comeback bid, I'll give him the one on the bad angle from Bennett, but he didn't give himself a chance on anything after that. Deep in his net, and lots of target glove side. I thought we were seeing a historic meltdown, and to be honest that would have been the shiv that gutted the Oilers' season. Thankfully the Oilers did recover somewhat in the last 5 or so minutes.

Would a timeout by the Oilers have hurt after it became 6-3? I don't see how. TM is pretty stingy with calling them this year, this is probably the 3rd or 4th instance where it might have been beneficial to talk to your players and give them a reset.

Pretty entertaining, but a 60 minute effort would have resulted in more of a statement.





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K.McC#24 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 16:16

LB is pretty fragile, for sure. I don't know where he goes from here, rock bottom for him personally. He really didn't look like he had anything to fall back on to help himself recover, that goes on him as a goaltender and that goes on the goaltender coach.

In the Flames comeback bid, I'll give him the one on the bad angle from Bennett, but he didn't give himself a chance on anything after that. Deep in his net, and lots of target glove side. I thought we were seeing a historic meltdown, and to be honest that would have been the shiv that gutted the Oilers' season. Thankfully the Oilers did recover somewhat in the last 5 or so minutes.

Would a timeout by the Oilers have hurt after it became 6-3? I don't see how. TM is pretty stingy with calling them this year, this is probably the 3rd or 4th instance where it might have been beneficial to talk to your players and give them a reset.

Pretty entertaining, but a 60 minute effort would have resulted in more of a statement.





NHL goaltending seems to just be one of those things that you can handle or you can't. Doesn't matter how good your stats are in any other league before, you find out if you can handle the NHL by playing in it, and GM's need to make the call quick when it's clear a guy doesn't have it. LB should at best be in the AHL right now. You can't just wait and wait for goalies that aren't ready by keeping them in an NHL job, it can kill you, and forces you to overplay your other goalie. You can keep marginal skaters around like that a bit, like a 4th line forward, but not goalies. Maybe LB becomes an NHL backup one day, but we just can't keep him on the roster and hope that it will magically happen tomorrow, when all signs point to it not haappening any time soon.

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 16:45


NHL goaltending seems to just be one of those things that you can handle or you can't. Doesn't matter how good your stats are in any other league before, you find out if you can handle the NHL by playing in it, and GM's need to make the call quick when it's clear a guy doesn't have it. LB should at best be in the AHL right now. You can't just wait and wait for goalies that aren't ready by keeping them in an NHL job, it can kill you, and forces you to overplay your other goalie. You can keep marginal skaters around like that a bit, like a 4th line forward, but not goalies. Maybe LB becomes an NHL backup one day, but we just can't keep him on the roster and hope that it will magically happen tomorrow, when all signs point to it not haappening any time soon.


Worth noting, if Brossoit is punted at some point, that will make it three years in a row that the plan Chiarelli had for back-up goalie going in to the season completely failed the Oilers.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 16:16

LB is pretty fragile, for sure. I don't know where he goes from here, rock bottom for him personally. He really didn't look like he had anything to fall back on to help himself recover, that goes on him as a goaltender and that goes on the goaltender coach.

In the Flames comeback bid, I'll give him the one on the bad angle from Bennett, but he didn't give himself a chance on anything after that. Deep in his net, and lots of target glove side. I thought we were seeing a historic meltdown, and to be honest that would have been the shiv that gutted the Oilers' season. Thankfully the Oilers did recover somewhat in the last 5 or so minutes.

Would a timeout by the Oilers have hurt after it became 6-3? I don't see how. TM is pretty stingy with calling them this year, this is probably the 3rd or 4th instance where it might have been beneficial to talk to your players and give them a reset.

Pretty entertaining, but a 60 minute effort would have resulted in more of a statement.



The Oilers did seem to retreat in to the shell for the final period...Once again, with a lead, McLellan has the team throttle back and go in to protect mode - with predictable results.

Brossoit looked bad. Really bad. I've never been a fan, but he was worse than even I expected last night.

I don't know what the Oilers do now for goaltending...they've got 49 contracts with Davidson joining, so there's really no room to pick up a goaltender unless they can get someone else to take a body or two in the process.

If they REALLY believe in Brossoit, then they have to give him one more shot to make amends - but at this point you're starting to get a decent sample size. 8 appearances this year, with .872 save percentage and 3.80 GAA. 22 career appearances, including 15 starts. .896 save percentage and 3.11 GAA. That doesn't look like a goalie of the future.

He's never been a world beater at the AHL level, which should have been the tip-off for the Oilers that he wasn't likely to come in and push Talbot in any meaningful way...and with Talbot hurt, it means our season could hang on Brossoit playing over his head, or the Oilers scoring seven a night...

Personally, I'd probably start Ellis next game - even knowing that that's probably signalling the end of Brossoit as an Oiler.



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I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 20:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I don't see how this team could even consider 5-1 a "big lead" that they can sit on for an entire period. Maybe 8-1, but we pretty easily scored 3 goals in a period of 7 mins in the 1st. You sit on your butt and let that happen against, it's a 1 goal game and you're panicking. Damn lucky Maroon got that 6th goal while we were laying down. This is a division rival, and Calgary was not laying down like Vegas was in that last blowout we had. They were coming at us, trying to mix it up still, and we were happily playing the role of punching bag until the game started to get completely out of hand

Man I hope they can get up for the Philly game. Sadly, I would not at all be surprised if ends up being one of the worst games we play of the year.

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 23:55

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RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I don't see how this team could even consider 5-1 a "big lead" that they can sit on for an entire period. Maybe 8-1, but we pretty easily scored 3 goals in a period of 7 mins in the 1st. You sit on your butt and let that happen against, it's a 1 goal game and you're panicking. Damn lucky Maroon got that 6th goal while we were laying down. This is a division rival, and Calgary was not laying down like Vegas was in that last blowout we had. They were coming at us, trying to mix it up still, and we were happily playing the role of punching bag until the game started to get completely out of hand

Man I hope they can get up for the Philly game. Sadly, I would not at all be surprised if ends up being one of the worst games we play of the year.


This is not a new phenomenon with this team, and one I have harped against for decades. I don't give a rat's ass about hurt feelings on the other side if we "run up the score". Don't want the score run up on you? Play better. Simple as that.

Maybe you don't dive face first to block a shot when you're up by 5, but that doesn't mean you don't stop playing hard. Especially THIS team that gave up 3 in the playoffs with an empty Ducks net. You keep playing the way that got you your big lead.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 19:55

Adam wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 20:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I don't see how this team could even consider 5-1 a "big lead" that they can sit on for an entire period. Maybe 8-1, but we pretty easily scored 3 goals in a period of 7 mins in the 1st. You sit on your butt and let that happen against, it's a 1 goal game and you're panicking. Damn lucky Maroon got that 6th goal while we were laying down. This is a division rival, and Calgary was not laying down like Vegas was in that last blowout we had. They were coming at us, trying to mix it up still, and we were happily playing the role of punching bag until the game started to get completely out of hand

Man I hope they can get up for the Philly game. Sadly, I would not at all be surprised if ends up being one of the worst games we play of the year.


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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 04 December 2017 15:25

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 19:55

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RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I don't see how this team could even consider 5-1 a "big lead" that they can sit on for an entire period. Maybe 8-1, but we pretty easily scored 3 goals in a period of 7 mins in the 1st. You sit on your butt and let that happen against, it's a 1 goal game and you're panicking. Damn lucky Maroon got that 6th goal while we were laying down. This is a division rival, and Calgary was not laying down like Vegas was in that last blowout we had. They were coming at us, trying to mix it up still, and we were happily playing the role of punching bag until the game started to get completely out of hand

Man I hope they can get up for the Philly game. Sadly, I would not at all be surprised if ends up being one of the worst games we play of the year.


Flyers have lost 10 games in a row.. hopefully the Oilers can break their tradition of being the NHL's Slump Busters and take the boots to them....



Fingers crossed they beat the flames, and can start a new losing streak in Edmonton.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2017 17:12

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 19:55

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RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I don't see how this team could even consider 5-1 a "big lead" that they can sit on for an entire period. Maybe 8-1, but we pretty easily scored 3 goals in a period of 7 mins in the 1st. You sit on your butt and let that happen against, it's a 1 goal game and you're panicking. Damn lucky Maroon got that 6th goal while we were laying down. This is a division rival, and Calgary was not laying down like Vegas was in that last blowout we had. They were coming at us, trying to mix it up still, and we were happily playing the role of punching bag until the game started to get completely out of hand

Man I hope they can get up for the Philly game. Sadly, I would not at all be surprised if ends up being one of the worst games we play of the year.


Flyers have lost 10 games in a row.. hopefully the Oilers can break their tradition of being the NHL's Slump Busters and take the boots to them....



Fingers crossed they beat the flames, and can start a new losing streak in Edmonton.


Well, our wishes came true. The Flames played the role of slump busters last night. Here's to the Oilers third two-game winning streak of the season!



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Adam wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 20:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


Do I think that the Oilers took the foot off the gas in the 3rd a little. Yup. When you are up 6-1 with less than a period to go, I can see how you as a player would play a little more cautious. But Bennett and Gaudreau each scored a goal when they were in the corner on the goal line, those should never happen. The Ferland goal was an unscreened wrist shot from above the top of the circles. Ferland isn't an elite sniper, it was an OK shot but make a stop. NHL goalies should stop that shot almost every time. Bennett's second goal. Unlucky that Russell falls down but Brossoit is almost fully in his net and is down WAY before the shot is take. I will let that goal go I guess because it was a decent shot but Brossoit gave him the whole top of the net to shoot at. At the end of the day, if Brossoit is average and makes the save on even the 2 goal line non NHLer goals and it's a 7-3 win are we talking but about the Oilers sitting back? Nope, we are talking about how the Oilers laid the boots to the Flames and played a fairly sound game.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 20:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I didn't really notice the Oilers clogging up the neutral zone or anything after 6-1, but after the Bennet goal from a bad angle, the team started double clutching and Calgary started playing simultaneously. That's just the sign of a fragile team. Montreal would have likely done it if Price would have started to let in terrible goals with a 5 goal lead, but he didn't....and Montreal didn't let up. If the game kept going on the same trajectory without LB's terrible play in the 3rd, Edmonton probably would have had 9 or 10.



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I didn't really notice the Oilers clogging up the neutral zone or anything after 6-1, but after the Bennet goal from a bad angle, the team started double clutching and Calgary started playing simultaneously. That's just the sign of a fragile team. Montreal would have likely done it if Price would have started to let in terrible goals with a 5 goal lead, but he didn't....and Montreal didn't let up. If the game kept going on the same trajectory without LB's terrible play in the 3rd, Edmonton probably would have had 9 or 10.



The Oilers stopped forechecking with the same tenacity. Really passive forecheck and little drive to the net, because everyone's focused on staying behind the puck. The shots in the third period were pretty heavily skewed to Calgary from early on.

I do think you're right that part of that is a lack of confidence in the netminder behind them, especially after he lets in those goals, but protecting the lead is a hallmark of McLellan hockey the last couple of years...even though the team is really, really bad at doing it.

I'm always of the view that if something is working and you have the other team on the ropes all game, why change that to play more conservatively? It's way more likely to backfire.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2017 14:36

Adam wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 20:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I didn't really notice the Oilers clogging up the neutral zone or anything after 6-1, but after the Bennet goal from a bad angle, the team started double clutching and Calgary started playing simultaneously. That's just the sign of a fragile team. Montreal would have likely done it if Price would have started to let in terrible goals with a 5 goal lead, but he didn't....and Montreal didn't let up. If the game kept going on the same trajectory without LB's terrible play in the 3rd, Edmonton probably would have had 9 or 10.


I do agree that the Oilers stopped pressing. I am sure the messages from the coaches was get pucks in deep, make smart pinches, don't give up odd man rushes, stay out of the box.

So it's 6-1, you are cruising along, playing a little cautious. Flames comes up the ice, Bennett has the puck, not overly dangerous player. Dmen keep him to the outside, Bennett has nothing to shoot at. He ends up in the corner at the red line. so they defended it well. For whatever reason, he flips it at the net. It goes in. So you are taken a back as a team. Bad goal.

You take a penalty. Cross seem pass happens, something you struggle stopping. Goes to Ferland. Not exactly a dangerous long ranger shooter. He takes an unscreened, long rang wrist shot. It goes in. Now you are rattle.

Gaudreau comes down like Bennett. A dangerous guy but it is defended really well. He is forced into the corner, on the goal line. Nothing to shoot at. He did what Bennett did. Of course you would, it worked for Bennett. IT GOES IN.

Now as a team you are panicking because your goalie has let in 3 crap goals. I agree they shouldn't have stood back but are you really going to press when your goalie can't stop anything.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 December 2017 16:44

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2017 14:36

Adam wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 20:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Sun, 03 December 2017 18:08

I don't buy into the whole the Oilers went into a shell. It was 6-1 you aren't going to go full on attack mode at 6-1. I don't care who is the coach. Plus Brossoit let in 3 garbage goals. The defenders keep the Flames to the outside, don't give up the middle. The winger flings a bad angle, low percent shot and Brossoit handles it like a beer league goalie.


Yep, Brossoit was terrible. But the Oilers were sitting back. They stopped attacking for the most part. I talked about that earlier in the season. I think bad habits begin when you decide you don't have to play the same to the final buzzer because you have a big lead. Especially for a bad team that's been guilty already this season of thinking they're better than they are.

And not every coach would have their team let up. If you watched the early game last night, Claude Julien never did call off the dogs against the Red Wings.


I didn't really notice the Oilers clogging up the neutral zone or anything after 6-1, but after the Bennet goal from a bad angle, the team started double clutching and Calgary started playing simultaneously. That's just the sign of a fragile team. Montreal would have likely done it if Price would have started to let in terrible goals with a 5 goal lead, but he didn't....and Montreal didn't let up. If the game kept going on the same trajectory without LB's terrible play in the 3rd, Edmonton probably would have had 9 or 10.


I do agree that the Oilers stopped pressing. I am sure the messages from the coaches was get pucks in deep, make smart pinches, don't give up odd man rushes, stay out of the box.

So it's 6-1, you are cruising along, playing a little cautious. Flames comes up the ice, Bennett has the puck, not overly dangerous player. Dmen keep him to the outside, Bennett has nothing to shoot at. He ends up in the corner at the red line. so they defended it well. For whatever reason, he flips it at the net. It goes in. So you are taken a back as a team. Bad goal.

You take a penalty. Cross seem pass happens, something you struggle stopping. Goes to Ferland. Not exactly a dangerous long ranger shooter. He takes an unscreened, long rang wrist shot. It goes in. Now you are rattle.

Gaudreau comes down like Bennett. A dangerous guy but it is defended really well. He is forced into the corner, on the goal line. Nothing to shoot at. He did what Bennett did. Of course you would, it worked for Bennett. IT GOES IN.

Now as a team you are panicking because your goalie has let in 3 crap goals. I agree they shouldn't have stood back but are you really going to press when your goalie can't stop anything.


Here is the game flow from naturalstattrick. I think it does support your case.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQGsGHSUIAMtiQL.jpg:large

The Oilers actually tipped the balance a bit more in their favour until LB let's in that garbage goal. Then it's a straight line up of Calgary momentum and it takes the team a good 10-15 mins to start getting it together again.

This team is still so mentally fragile. But, I'm not sure you can blame them with LB in net at this point. The guy just keeps getting rattled. It's to the point where everyone from the players, to the coach to the fans, we're all expecting it. I really really hope we play Ellis next game. Players can go to war for a new goalie that is getting his first shot. It's damn hard at the point to go to war for LB. The players are just scared of what he's gonna do at this point. Not sure how you can function as a team when your skaters all think a shot from literally anywhere in your zone has a good chance to end up in your net.

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