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Connor to Drai FTW. I could hear that refrain to an Oil game forever. Woot, a winning streak is born!


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Wow.

McDavid & Nuge could have each had a pair in OT, McDavid with the money feed to Drai.

Interesting little hissy on the way back to the bench from Hallsy, one too many passes from Hischer (sp?), maybe if Hall would haven't have just done a patent flyby of the front of the net, there's still a chance for Jersey there. Hischer should have shot, but still....I think Hall's got to be staying in front looking for garbage at least.

Decent goaltending from Talbot and some scoring spread out enabled this win. Some real mediocrity in there too, though. Lucic got engaged for some reason, someone has to figure that out and dose him up with it prior to each game.

Can't believe these is the first consecutive wins of the season for the Oilers.



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Only got to watch the 3rd but where was Letestu? I know they shortened the bench with the Sleppy injury but I saw Malone out there.

Edit~another strong game by RNH...we almost have 3 drivers going right now.



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Prince Albert 1 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 19:59

Only got to watch the 3rd but where was Letestu? I know they shortened the bench with the Sleppy injury but I saw Malone out there.

Edit~another strong game by RNH...we almost have 3 drivers going right now.



Letestu blew the play on the 2nd Devs goal. I think he got stapled to the bench after that.



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That, and he hasn't really been producing anything this season.

Letestu was looking a little too comfortable, regardless of the lack of production.. I think all that "is there a better fourth-liner" talk might have been going to his head a little?



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Prince Albert 1 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 19:59

Only got to watch the 3rd but where was Letestu? I know they shortened the bench with the Sleppy injury but I saw Malone out there.

Edit~another strong game by RNH...we almost have 3 drivers going right now.


Slepyshev played 17 mins and scored. Is he injured?



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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 21:07

Prince Albert 1 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 19:59

Only got to watch the 3rd but where was Letestu? I know they shortened the bench with the Sleppy injury but I saw Malone out there.

Edit~another strong game by RNH...we almost have 3 drivers going right now.


Slepyshev played 17 mins and scored. Is he injured?


Looks like he played 4 more shifts after he scored and left the game shortly before the Lucic goal.



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Prince Albert 1 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 19:59

Only got to watch the 3rd but where was Letestu? I know they shortened the bench with the Sleppy injury but I saw Malone out there.

Edit~another strong game by RNH...we almost have 3 drivers going right now.


I thought Nuge's line had a sleepy first half of the game, but were much better after that.



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Only got to watch the 3rd and Nuge looked like a beast dragging Lucic and Kassian along with him.


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I thought Nuge had an amazing game.


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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 18:53

Wow.

McDavid & Nuge could have each had a pair in OT, McDavid with the money feed to Drai.

Interesting little hissy on the way back to the bench from Hallsy, one too many passes from Hischer (sp?), maybe if Hall would haven't have just done a patent flyby of the front of the net, there's still a chance for Jersey there. Hischer should have shot, but still....I think Hall's got to be staying in front looking for garbage at least


Hallsy gonna Hallsy. Exit the play when there’s still a play to be made and then throw the tantrum. Heck of a player but still needs to doing some maturing.

Nuge looked great in addition to McD and Drai. If we have three centres (who often moonlight as wingers) that’s something the rest of the team can solidify around, not just one or two.



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We almost need to stop thinking as Draisitl as a winger and just concede that the 1st line has 2 Centers. And RNH driving that 2nd line.


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Kassian was effective tonight I thought. Ya he hasn’t scored but he’s forechecking really well. I was yellin “atta boy” when he hemmed the devils in their zone for stretches.


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love it, despite the sketchy 1st, would happily be frustrated and curse and roll my eyes and then cheer in the thrill of victory all over again! NJ desperately wanted this one, threw the kitchen sink at 'em and still came out on top. Full marks, no need to over analyze.


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Love road Talbot. He needs to live out of hotels from now on.

Dang, another afternoon game next against the Rangers. Can they do the impossible and play well in an afternoon game for the first time ever?



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No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


I'm surprised the Oilers didn't ghost write an article for Matheson or Jones to run with today on that...



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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:17

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


I'm surprised the Oilers didn't ghost write an article for Matheson or Jones to run with today on that...


Little bonus that Rishaug pointed out that I missed. After Hischier messed up Hall's nice setup to him on OT, Hall gave him heck after the play stopped and smashed his stick as he went off the ice. Hischier looked pretty embarrassed, and other teammates were trying to comfort him after. Rishaug claims Hall yelled out as well which wasn't shown on TV.

Classic Hall. The poison is slowly seeping into the well icon_wink

[Updated on: Fri, 10 November 2017 16:59]


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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 15:36

Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:17

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


I'm surprised the Oilers didn't ghost write an article for Matheson or Jones to run with today on that...


Little bonus that Rishaug pointed out that I missed. After Hischier messed up Hall's nice setup to him on OT, Hall gave him heck after the play stopped and smashed his stick as he went off the ice. Hischier looked pretty embarrassed, and other teammates were trying to comfort him after. Rishaug claims Hall yelled out as well which wasn't shown on TV.

Classic Hall. The poison is slowly seeping into the well icon_wink


Messier yelled at team mates, and rumour has it he even grabbed some by the throat, wouldn't classify him as a cancer.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 18:06

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 15:36

Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:17

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


I'm surprised the Oilers didn't ghost write an article for Matheson or Jones to run with today on that...


Little bonus that Rishaug pointed out that I missed. After Hischier messed up Hall's nice setup to him on OT, Hall gave him heck after the play stopped and smashed his stick as he went off the ice. Hischier looked pretty embarrassed, and other teammates were trying to comfort him after. Rishaug claims Hall yelled out as well which wasn't shown on TV.

Classic Hall. The poison is slowly seeping into the well icon_wink


Messier yelled at team mates, and rumour has it he even grabbed some by the throat, wouldn't classify him as a cancer.



For the betterment of the team? Or because he's throwing a tantrum like a selfish baby? I imagine the poor treatment of teammates by Messier was isolated to slackers that were clearly not pulling their weight or guys throwing little tantrums like babies, not kids a handful of games into their NHL career.

Now that i think of it, Hall really could have used a Messier choking him :)

[Updated on: Fri, 10 November 2017 18:35]


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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


It is actually kind of funny. Very few of us flat out hate the Hall trade. Many of us wanted more for all but we understood the need for an upgrade on the blue line. If that was the last and/or worst of his moves I dont think people would be as mad right now even if our record was the same.
The follow up signings and trades make the Larsson one seem much worse as it signaled the beginning of the end for PC moving anything of value for lesser pieces.
If the Oilers win a cup in game 7 of OT, Stome scores the game winner, assisted by Larsson, right after a Russell blocked shot I will forgive and forget. Outside of that it will be really tough for me to move past the last 18 months of PC's work.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:26

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


It is actually kind of funny. Very few of us flat out hate the Hall trade. Many of us wanted more for all but we understood the need for an upgrade on the blue line. If that was the last and/or worst of his moves I dont think people would be as mad right now even if our record was the same.
The follow up signings and trades make the Larsson one seem much worse as it signaled the beginning of the end for PC moving anything of value for lesser pieces.
If the Oilers win a cup in game 7 of OT, Stome scores the game winner, assisted by Larsson, right after a Russell blocked shot I will forgive and forget. Outside of that it will be really tough for me to move past the last 18 months of PC's work.



For the record, I hate the Hall trade.

I even like Larsson, but man, that trade was terrible. Shero worked over Chiarelli good there...




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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 11:24

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:26

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


It is actually kind of funny. Very few of us flat out hate the Hall trade. Many of us wanted more for all but we understood the need for an upgrade on the blue line. If that was the last and/or worst of his moves I dont think people would be as mad right now even if our record was the same.
The follow up signings and trades make the Larsson one seem much worse as it signaled the beginning of the end for PC moving anything of value for lesser pieces.
If the Oilers win a cup in game 7 of OT, Stome scores the game winner, assisted by Larsson, right after a Russell blocked shot I will forgive and forget. Outside of that it will be really tough for me to move past the last 18 months of PC's work.



For the record, I hate the Hall trade.

I even like Larsson, but man, that trade was terrible. Shero worked over Chiarelli good there...




I suppose I was indirectly referring to you as one of the "very few" I mentioned.
Dont get me wrong on the scale of hate
Eberle is a 10/10 and Hall is a hard 8. Perhaps I am simply being beaten down over time and the fact we at least got a functional, useful player that filled a need has softened my stance.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:28

Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 11:24

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:26

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


It is actually kind of funny. Very few of us flat out hate the Hall trade. Many of us wanted more for all but we understood the need for an upgrade on the blue line. If that was the last and/or worst of his moves I dont think people would be as mad right now even if our record was the same.
The follow up signings and trades make the Larsson one seem much worse as it signaled the beginning of the end for PC moving anything of value for lesser pieces.
If the Oilers win a cup in game 7 of OT, Stome scores the game winner, assisted by Larsson, right after a Russell blocked shot I will forgive and forget. Outside of that it will be really tough for me to move past the last 18 months of PC's work.



For the record, I hate the Hall trade.

I even like Larsson, but man, that trade was terrible. Shero worked over Chiarelli good there...




I suppose I was indirectly referring to you as one of the "very few" I mentioned.
Dont get me wrong on the scale of hate
Eberle is a 10/10 and Hall is a hard 8. Perhaps I am simply being beaten down over time and the fact we at least got a functional, useful player that filled a need has softened my stance.



Yes, I'm like those who talked about the mental gymnastics on the Eberle deal recently.

I understand what the Oilers were trying to do. I appreciate that they didn't give him away for nothing. I'm glad it's a useful player on a long-term deal at a reasonable price.

I hate that we gave up the clearly better player (with even our own GM saying that he'd given up the better player in a straight-across trade). I hate that the amazingly skilled team we had built has been chopped up for a bunch of slower, less skilled guys.

I hate that the team and its media lapdogs have subtly poisoned the well around Hall the last year or so, with lots of subtle digs at his personality (which the Oilers didn't do an awful lot to refine in his time in Edmonton).

I also hate all the optics around the trade - Shero going out of his way to say how well Chiarelli had done in getting him to do the deal, Rishaug starting to pave the way for the deal days early, carrying a tonne of water in exchange for being allowed to 'break' the story. If you listen to his spot on the TSN 1260 morning show, in the intro they even have the ridiculous soundbite from Chiarelli, congratulating Rishaug for 'breaking' the deal that the Oilers specifically told him about.

There's been few other times I've been more upset about an Oilers move in recent history than the Taylor Hall deal. I'd been pretty excited about Chiarelli, who had education - first with Harvard, then a law degree in Ottawa - and experience as a scout, assistant GM, and GM before coming here. It was a big change from hiring former players with no experience at anything...unfortunately, the Hall trade disabused me of the notion that he was a competent negotiator. I watched him flounder in the media before the deal, telling people again and again what he wanted, and then starting to prep Edmonton fans for a deal where we overpaid. It immediately told me that he had assumed a position of weakness in the negotiations, and rather than playing down his need for what he wanted, or playing several teams off each other, he was simply talking about what he was willing to give up.

And in the end, we lost.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:24

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:26

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:09

No one is going to point out how this one game fully vindicated Chia?

Lucic 1-1-2 +1
Hall 0-0-0 -1
Larsson 0-0-0 -1

Even trade addresses need, and big upgrade from Lucic.

icon_biggrin


It is actually kind of funny. Very few of us flat out hate the Hall trade. Many of us wanted more for all but we understood the need for an upgrade on the blue line. If that was the last and/or worst of his moves I dont think people would be as mad right now even if our record was the same.
The follow up signings and trades make the Larsson one seem much worse as it signaled the beginning of the end for PC moving anything of value for lesser pieces.
If the Oilers win a cup in game 7 of OT, Stome scores the game winner, assisted by Larsson, right after a Russell blocked shot I will forgive and forget. Outside of that it will be really tough for me to move past the last 18 months of PC's work.



For the record, I hate the Hall trade.

I even like Larsson, but man, that trade was terrible. Shero worked over Chiarelli good there...




I don't hate the spirit of the Hall trade, I understand what the goal was, but with due respect to Adam Larsson, the return wasn't enough.



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I'm actually starting to see McLellan's plan a little bit. McDavid/Drai are lethal 3v3. Keep them together during regulation to maintain that chem. Have the other 3 lines try to lock everything down, on both sides of the puck, and just get it to OT. First shift - magic.

Then have Chia/Katz lobby hard to get 3v3 added to the playoffs

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Goose wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:39

I'm actually starting to see McLellan's plan a little bit. McDavid/Drai are lethal 3v3. Keep them together during regulation to maintain that chem. Have the other 3 lines try to lock everything down, on both sides of the puck, and just get it to OT. First shift - magic.

Then have Chia/Katz lobby hard to get 3v3 added to the playoffs


I wrote a post a long time ago on McLellan and OT - it might have been in the first season he was here. There seemed to be a large number of extra frame games, and I noticed a pretty passive attack in the third period of tied games. The team is being told to take very few risks if we're tied or leading.

I believe the theory behind it is that if they got every game to overtime, and only won 25% of them, with the loser point in place, that's enough to get to the playoffs. Don't risk the one point you have on an extra one...especially since the Oilers do have the game breakers in overtime to win a lot more than 25% of the time.

Of course, it's a pretty loser-y way of looking at things. It's boring, and it's short-sighted in that it sets up what we saw in the playoffs last year. A team that struggled in third periods, gave up leads, showed no killer instinct.




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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:31

Goose wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 09:39

I'm actually starting to see McLellan's plan a little bit. McDavid/Drai are lethal 3v3. Keep them together during regulation to maintain that chem. Have the other 3 lines try to lock everything down, on both sides of the puck, and just get it to OT. First shift - magic.

Then have Chia/Katz lobby hard to get 3v3 added to the playoffs


I wrote a post a long time ago on McLellan and OT - it might have been in the first season he was here. There seemed to be a large number of extra frame games, and I noticed a pretty passive attack in the third period of tied games. The team is being told to take very few risks if we're tied or leading.

I believe the theory behind it is that if they got every game to overtime, and only won 25% of them, with the loser point in place, that's enough to get to the playoffs. Don't risk the one point you have on an extra one...especially since the Oilers do have the game breakers in overtime to win a lot more than 25% of the time.

Of course, it's a pretty loser-y way of looking at things. It's boring, and it's short-sighted in that it sets up what we saw in the playoffs last year. A team that struggled in third periods, gave up leads, showed no killer instinct.



I'd argue it's boring and far-sighted. Look at this season, the reason the Oilers are sitting 15th in the west is because they were taking regulation losses. Convert a few of those L's into overtime games and suddenly they're ion the playoff conversation. Going to overtime against eastern teams is just a no brainer. Who cares if the Isles or Devils take an OT point? Maybe the Flyers, but the Flyers aren't us, so screw 'em.

I don't think the Oilers 3 period struggles in the playoffs was because of an OT strategy. I think it was due to a systemic lack of defensive depth. I mean, Griffin Reinhart suited up for them in the playoffs. Griffin freakin' Reinhart.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:47


I'd argue it's boring and far-sighted. Look at this season, the reason the Oilers are sitting 15th in the west is because they were taking regulation losses. Convert a few of those L's into overtime games and suddenly they're ion the playoff conversation. Going to overtime against eastern teams is just a no brainer. Who cares if the Isles or Devils take an OT point? Maybe the Flyers, but the Flyers aren't us, so screw 'em.

I don't think the Oilers 3 period struggles in the playoffs was because of an OT strategy. I think it was due to a systemic lack of defensive depth. I mean, Griffin Reinhart suited up for them in the playoffs. Griffin freakin' Reinhart.



It's not like the Oilers have played a lot different against Western teams though. They're fine with everyone taking a point and then scrambling for the extra one. And I think if the system that you establish for 82 games is that you don't push to win it when it's tied, then it's hard to switch that entirely in the playoffs and play differently.

I am not saying they should gamble constantly, but I think they can't button up to the point where they don't take any chances.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 11:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 10 November 2017 10:47


I'd argue it's boring and far-sighted. Look at this season, the reason the Oilers are sitting 15th in the west is because they were taking regulation losses. Convert a few of those L's into overtime games and suddenly they're ion the playoff conversation. Going to overtime against eastern teams is just a no brainer. Who cares if the Isles or Devils take an OT point? Maybe the Flyers, but the Flyers aren't us, so screw 'em.

I don't think the Oilers 3 period struggles in the playoffs was because of an OT strategy. I think it was due to a systemic lack of defensive depth. I mean, Griffin Reinhart suited up for them in the playoffs. Griffin freakin' Reinhart.



It's not like the Oilers have played a lot different against Western teams though. They're fine with everyone taking a point and then scrambling for the extra one. And I think if the system that you establish for 82 games is that you don't push to win it when it's tied, then it's hard to switch that entirely in the playoffs and play differently.

I am not saying they should gamble constantly, but I think they can't button up to the point where they don't take any chances.



Now how does such a game philosophy limit your opportunity to contribute by guys lower down the lineup?

If your plan is to lock it down as soon as you get a lead, there is limited time every game when you are giving an offensive push throughout the lineup. Odds are highest that McDavid/Drai are going to be in on any given goal, both because of their skill level and the ice time given, and as soon as we get what we think we need, the doors shut on everyone else, and it's no risk time.



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