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 Yamamoto to Juniors [message #701825]
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Oilers made the right decision! Hooray!

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The #Oilers have assigned forward Kailer Yamamoto to the @SpokaneChiefs of @TheWHL. Yamamoto recorded three assists in nine games.

[Updated on: Mon, 06 November 2017 09:34]


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Yes good call to go back down.

I am excited to see what he can do for us in 2 ish years. He has high end skill & excellent speed.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:31

Oilers made the right decision! Hooray!


Development year is going exactly as planned.



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Holy crap they actually made a good decision.


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Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Is Kelly still around with the team? If he is, no doubt he has been turning down offers from other teams left and right. I thank him for his commitment to the Oilers.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:40

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Is Kelly still around with the team? If he is, no doubt he has been turning down offers from other teams left and right. I thank him for his commitment to the Oilers.


He is still practicing with the team. Mark Spector has tweeted that he expects a deal will be signed with him today.

So far, I've heard nothing, but unless he's planning to join the coaching staff, why else is he skating with the team on a PTO if he's not expecting a contract at some point?

He did score 12 points for the Bruins last year, which is pretty terrible production, but it puts him on pace or better than several of our third and fourth liners...



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:02

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:40

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Is Kelly still around with the team? If he is, no doubt he has been turning down offers from other teams left and right. I thank him for his commitment to the Oilers.


He is still practicing with the team. Mark Spector has tweeted that he expects a deal will be signed with him today.

So far, I've heard nothing, but unless he's planning to join the coaching staff, why else is he skating with the team on a PTO if he's not expecting a contract at some point?

He did score 12 points for the Bruins last year, which is pretty terrible production, but it puts him on pace or better than several of our third and fourth liners...


PC does have that single contract spot burning a hole in his pocket. Would hate to hold onto that for too long



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 Re: Yamamoto to Juniors [message #701846 is a reply to message #701842 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:02

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:40

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Is Kelly still around with the team? If he is, no doubt he has been turning down offers from other teams left and right. I thank him for his commitment to the Oilers.


He is still practicing with the team. Mark Spector has tweeted that he expects a deal will be signed with him today.

So far, I've heard nothing, but unless he's planning to join the coaching staff, why else is he skating with the team on a PTO if he's not expecting a contract at some point?

He did score 12 points for the Bruins last year, which is pretty terrible production, but it puts him on pace or better than several of our third and fourth liners...


PC does have that single contract spot burning a hole in his pocket. Would hate to hold onto that for too long



Two slots now! Just like that, with Yamamoto out, we're at 48 contracts, so we've got room.

And he's got all that cap space! Time to make a Chris Kelly-shaped splash!



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 Re: Yamamoto to Juniors [message #701848 is a reply to message #701846 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:14

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:02


He is still practicing with the team. Mark Spector has tweeted that he expects a deal will be signed with him today.

So far, I've heard nothing, but unless he's planning to join the coaching staff, why else is he skating with the team on a PTO if he's not expecting a contract at some point?

He did score 12 points for the Bruins last year, which is pretty terrible production, but it puts him on pace or better than several of our third and fourth liners...


PC does have that single contract spot burning a hole in his pocket. Would hate to hold onto that for too long



Two slots now! Just like that, with Yamamoto out, we're at 48 contracts, so we've got room.

And he's got all that cap space! Time to make a Chris Kelly-shaped splash!



I think $4Mx4 should get it done. Kills two birds with one stone: you lock up an aging vet for probably 3 years longer than you should, and you take some pressure off of Kris Russell as he will no longer have the worst contract on the team.



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Goose wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:19

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:14

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:02


He is still practicing with the team. Mark Spector has tweeted that he expects a deal will be signed with him today.

So far, I've heard nothing, but unless he's planning to join the coaching staff, why else is he skating with the team on a PTO if he's not expecting a contract at some point?

He did score 12 points for the Bruins last year, which is pretty terrible production, but it puts him on pace or better than several of our third and fourth liners...


PC does have that single contract spot burning a hole in his pocket. Would hate to hold onto that for too long



Two slots now! Just like that, with Yamamoto out, we're at 48 contracts, so we've got room.

And he's got all that cap space! Time to make a Chris Kelly-shaped splash!



I think $4Mx4 should get it done. Kills two birds with one stone: you lock up an aging vet for probably 3 years longer than you should, and you take some pressure off of Kris Russell as he will no longer have the worst contract on the team.


Dont forget the no move clause!



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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:14

Goose wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:19

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:14

PlusOne wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:02


He is still practicing with the team. Mark Spector has tweeted that he expects a deal will be signed with him today.

So far, I've heard nothing, but unless he's planning to join the coaching staff, why else is he skating with the team on a PTO if he's not expecting a contract at some point?

He did score 12 points for the Bruins last year, which is pretty terrible production, but it puts him on pace or better than several of our third and fourth liners...


PC does have that single contract spot burning a hole in his pocket. Would hate to hold onto that for too long



Two slots now! Just like that, with Yamamoto out, we're at 48 contracts, so we've got room.

And he's got all that cap space! Time to make a Chris Kelly-shaped splash!



I think $4Mx4 should get it done. Kills two birds with one stone: you lock up an aging vet for probably 3 years longer than you should, and you take some pressure off of Kris Russell as he will no longer have the worst contract on the team.


Dont forget the no move clause!



I think Kelly needs to at least give us something. Maybe a list of 5 teams he's willing to be traded to in year 4.



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I hope they don't sign Kelly. They have Malone who looks like a bigger younger Kelly. A 4th liner that can play a few positions, win some faceoffs and hopefully play on the PK.

[Updated on: Mon, 06 November 2017 09:47]


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:41

I hope they don't sign Kelly. They have Malone who looks like a bigger younger Kelly. A 4th liner that can play a few positions, win some faceoffs and hopefully play on the PK.


I agree 100%, we have enough bottom 6 wingers to not need Kelly.

that said, who gets the RW spot on the top line?

I am guessing Strome and that was TM's plan all along. Break him down, call him out in public then hope the push to line one is the boost he needs.



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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:41

I hope they don't sign Kelly. They have Malone who looks like a bigger younger Kelly. A 4th liner that can play a few positions, win some faceoffs and hopefully play on the PK.


I agree 100%, we have enough bottom 6 wingers to not need Kelly.

that said, who gets the RW spot on the top line?

I am guessing Strome and that was TM's plan all along. Break him down, call him out in public then hope the push to line one is the boost he needs.


I would put Strome up there with McDavid and give him a chance to at least try. How many games did Yamo get with McDavid who's not an NHLer 5 or 6? (maybe someone can clarify that number as I am not 100% sure). Give Strome that and see what happens. I don't see how a line can gel in
one game or at times a period when you are flipping out players constantly. Give him a chance to succeed.

I would split up McDavid and Leon. They need to diversify their offense and they need to have more than 1 line going all the time. So if one line is having a bad night, hopefully you have another one going. You would have McDavid driving one line and Leon on the other. A Lucic - Nuge - Leon line would be a hell of a second line.

The next thing I would do is send down Khaira and call up Rattie who's red hot or JP who are both RW's. Sounds like JP is starting to really play well and is doing a lot of the smaller things he was lacking that was hurting him in the NHL. Maybe you call up Rattie just because he is older and let JP continue to refine his game but at the same time, they let Yamamoto play 9 NHL games and stay up with the team for a month and a half when it was pretty clear he wasn't NHL ready at all. So I have a hard time believing JP would be worse. I know they would have to waive Khaira but who cares. He's a borderline NHLer.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Thank god he isn't signed yet. Hopefully doesn't.



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I'd like to see the Oilers give Malone a shot before even consider signing Kelly. Not that I think signing Kelly is a good idea at all. I thought Malone did everything you want a 4th liner to do when he was up briefly.


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Jakey wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:03

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Thank god he isn't signed yet. Hopefully doesn't.


My answer would be "neither" but if you had to pick, Iginla or Kelly? Different positions but more of a "who would you add to to the Oilers roster list".



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:28

Jakey wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:03

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Thank god he isn't signed yet. Hopefully doesn't.


My answer would be "neither" but if you had to pick, Iginla or Kelly? Different positions but more of a "who would you add to to the Oilers roster list".


Iggy before Kelly for sure. Letesu isn't earning his salary. he's supposed to be trying to save Woodcroft's PP coaching reputation by putting every shot he takes in the net. Maybe Iggy can save the day.

Although, maybe Kelly can play mistake free hockey from McLellan's perspective. Would be nice to have a defensive perfectionist. Perfect the defensive play, and the offense will come, just because.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:31

WhoreableGuy wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:28

Jakey wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:03

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Thank god he isn't signed yet. Hopefully doesn't.


My answer would be "neither" but if you had to pick, Iginla or Kelly? Different positions but more of a "who would you add to to the Oilers roster list".


Iggy before Kelly for sure. Letesu isn't earning his salary. he's supposed to be trying to save Woodcroft's PP coaching reputation by putting every shot he takes in the net. Maybe Iggy can save the day.

Although, maybe Kelly can play mistake free hockey from McLellan's perspective. Would be nice to have a defensive perfectionist. Perfect the defensive play, and the offense will come, just because.


Neither of them add a lot in the speed department. I think Iginla's done, but I'd probably prefer him to Kelly (other than that it would cost me a beer in a bet with mightyreasoner).

Kelly is a penalty killer, so there's that...it's definitely an area where the Oilers could use a bit of a bump.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:31

WhoreableGuy wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:28

Jakey wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:03

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Thank god he isn't signed yet. Hopefully doesn't.


My answer would be "neither" but if you had to pick, Iginla or Kelly? Different positions but more of a "who would you add to to the Oilers roster list".


Iggy before Kelly for sure. Letesu isn't earning his salary. he's supposed to be trying to save Woodcroft's PP coaching reputation by putting every shot he takes in the net. Maybe Iggy can save the day.

Although, maybe Kelly can play mistake free hockey from McLellan's perspective. Would be nice to have a defensive perfectionist. Perfect the defensive play, and the offense will come, just because.


Iggy before Kelly. Not sure why he is even still practicing with the team, Malone is a better option.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:52

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:31

WhoreableGuy wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:28

Jakey wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:03

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 09:35

Brad Malone recalled...no Chris Kelly signing yet...


Thank god he isn't signed yet. Hopefully doesn't.


My answer would be "neither" but if you had to pick, Iginla or Kelly? Different positions but more of a "who would you add to to the Oilers roster list".


Iggy before Kelly for sure. Letesu isn't earning his salary. he's supposed to be trying to save Woodcroft's PP coaching reputation by putting every shot he takes in the net. Maybe Iggy can save the day.

Although, maybe Kelly can play mistake free hockey from McLellan's perspective. Would be nice to have a defensive perfectionist. Perfect the defensive play, and the offense will come, just because.


Iggy before Kelly. Not sure why he is even still practicing with the team, Malone is a better option.


Chia scouted Kelly when he was with Ottawa, and then traded for him in Boston. He's Chia's boy.

Only reason he'd still be practicing with the team is if he thinks he has a shot at an NHL lineup spot eventually and team thinks that they might sign him.



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The more I look back at PC's deals - minus Maroon and signing Lucic (I am a rare person that is ok with that). PC has dropped the ball on all other deals. The trade for Griffin was dumb as can be, then and now. How nice does Barzal look now. Trading Hall rather then Ebs for a D, I love larsson but I think something comparable with extras could have been done with ebs. Kris Russel don't even get me started.


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As much as I know it's the right move I only have two thoughts right now.

1. We are a even slower team.
2. What slow pile of suck do need to put in that hole now?



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Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.



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Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

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Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.


So what happens when the other team gets the puck and gets the zone. The team goes into a box, forwards high, dmen low. When they have 3 guys, they go into a triangle. The forwards take away the point shots, the dmen handle the forwards. As the play goes to one side or the other, it shifts from one side to the other. But they always go into a box. Some PK's are a bit more aggressive, some are a little more passive but there isn't one team doing something dramatically different was my point.

I know you have a hate on for the coaches but I really doubt the coaches are just sitting there shrugging their shoulders saying the same thing.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 14:26

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.


So what happens when the other team gets the puck and gets the zone. The team goes into a box, forwards high, dmen low. When they have 3 guys, they go into a triangle. The forwards take away the point shots, the dmen handle the forwards. As the play goes to one side or the other, it shifts from one side to the other. But they always go into a box. Some PK's are a bit more aggressive, some are a little more passive but there isn't one team doing something dramatically different was my point.

I know you have a hate on for the coaches but I really doubt the coaches are just sitting there shrugging their shoulders saying the same thing.


I know when I question something of yours you see it as a personal attack so I will try to do this as nice as possible;

The idea of the box and the triangle are basic strategies that arent employed 100% by any team over Pee Wee
A lot of teams use multiple formations and strategies depending on the team they are playing.
There is a standard box, collapsing box, diamond as basic formations.
Add onto that the level of aggressiveness;
- Some just try to keep the puck to the outside and block passing lanes with sticks.
- you can have whoever is closest to the puck challenge HARD and the other three triangle up to block the passing. (this has been used a lot against the Oilers this year to great success)
- you also can use a modified "reverse cycle" basically mimicking the Offensive cycle and forcing them into a turnover.

There are many many more variations but those are some examples to show how our coaches should be trying something different.

The idea that you simply box it up and wait in the middle may be what the Oilers are doing but it is FAR from the only way to set up a PK.






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I forgot the McClellan PK setup. Fall down-poop pants-watch other team high five.


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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.


Our PK looks like it's expertly designed to defeat our own PP that just stands around. I bet practice time for the PP and PK is a never ending epic chess match of standing and staring.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.


Our PK looks like it's expertly designed to defeat our own PP that just stands around. I bet practice time for the PP and PK is a never ending epic chess match of standing and staring.


The funny thing is that except for a couple really hot streaks last year, the same problems existed. The first half year the powerplay badly underperformed, and after the first six weeks, apparently the Oilers killed less than 80% of the powerplays against. The struggles didn't quite overlap like they are this year, but in three years of McLellan, this team has never had an absolutely dominant powerplay (despite a whole lot of all-world talent) and the penalty kill has been generally pretty mediocre too.

The thing is, I think the team does the same thing RDOF does and just believes that the players aren't working hard enough.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.


Our PK looks like it's expertly designed to defeat our own PP that just stands around. I bet practice time for the PP and PK is a never ending epic chess match of standing and staring.


The funny thing is that except for a couple really hot streaks last year, the same problems existed. The first half year the powerplay badly underperformed, and after the first six weeks, apparently the Oilers killed less than 80% of the powerplays against. The struggles didn't quite overlap like they are this year, but in three years of McLellan, this team has never had an absolutely dominant powerplay (despite a whole lot of all-world talent) and the penalty kill has been generally pretty mediocre too.

The thing is, I think the team does the same thing RDOF does and just believes that the players aren't working hard enough.


It really is all about the players trying hard and doing things the "right way".

The definition of the "right way" is something I'm still trying to figure out. I think it might just be about effort too, and the result, actually maybe just the result. Try hard + good things happens = you did it right way. Try hard + bad thing happened = you did something the wrong way. Don't try hard + good thing happened = you probably did it the right way. Don't try hard + bad result = mention in McLellan's post game.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:49

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:43

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:48

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:25

Does anyone know if Kelly is a good PK guy? I am not advocating for Kelly what so ever but something has to change with the PK and I think it has to be personal. It's beyond bad and losing them games.

Kelly is a decent PK player but he isn't our answer. Our issues are systematic. Be it those systems aren't practical for the team we built or the players arnt buying into the systems. Either way adding some has been won't solve much.

I am not an NHL coach so I could be wrong but when you watch all the teams on the PK, they all look pretty similar. How much change to the systems can you do? I think it's personal. TO be a good PK guy, it's all about work ethic and desire. I don't see it out there.


I disagree entirely. Most of the players the Oilers are using on the PK have had successful stints as part of successful penalty kills over several years, with different teams, coaches, etc. I don't for a second believe that guys like Adam Larsson and Mark Letestu are failing because they don't have the right "desire" to kill off the penalties.

Sportswriters and commentators like to talk about effort, but most of the time that is not the issue. There are several different variations coaches use for penalty kills, and different systems call for varying amounts of pressure by the penalty killers. The Oilers system seems fairly passive when it comes to attacking the puck carrier, and yet does a poor job closing the seams. There is no question that there are some systematic issues, because it's not just one group leaking goals, but all the penalty killers.


Our PK looks like it's expertly designed to defeat our own PP that just stands around. I bet practice time for the PP and PK is a never ending epic chess match of standing and staring.


The funny thing is that except for a couple really hot streaks last year, the same problems existed. The first half year the powerplay badly underperformed, and after the first six weeks, apparently the Oilers killed less than 80% of the powerplays against. The struggles didn't quite overlap like they are this year, but in three years of McLellan, this team has never had an absolutely dominant powerplay (despite a whole lot of all-world talent) and the penalty kill has been generally pretty mediocre too.

The thing is, I think the team does the same thing RDOF does and just believes that the players aren't working hard enough.


It really is all about the players trying hard and doing things the "right way".

The definition of the "right way" is something I'm still trying to figure out. I think it might just be about effort too, and the result, actually maybe just the result. Try hard + good things happens = you did it right way. Try hard + bad thing happened = you did something the wrong way. Don't try hard + good thing happened = you probably did it the right way. Don't try hard + bad result = mention in McLellan's post game.


Maybe the players need to put it on their dream boards too for it to come true.



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Okay a lil hockey 101. Baba style.

There are many options for a coach on the PK. While grit and hard-working are a key factor it means nothing if each hand doesn't know what butt to wipe. This is where systems come in. It's a basic plan usually with a few contingencies worked in so every player knows what to do next without thinking. These are the things that need to be drilled endlessly so that when you have no time to think about a play you can react and make the right play from instinct and muscle memory.

As for the PK. Here are a few possible setups.

Large box- In this setup the penalty killers form a large box shaped unit. The whole purpose of this setup is to limit the amount of time a power play has to make plays from the side board or point position. Puck side forward pressures the play at the point or side boards while others take passing lanes. Good for teams with high scoring defensemen.

Passive Box-. This setup is similar to the Large Box with one key difference. Instead of attacking pucks on the boards and points the unit let's the power play have them. Instead they rely on shot blocking and shutting down the slot. Useful against a team with weak dmen but strong forwards.

Diamond- This is a hybrid of the two above. Instead of a box the unit is shaped like a Diamond. With a Winger covering the point, a center and a dman covering the side boards and the remaining d-man in front of the net. This type of PK relies on quick sticks in passing lanes and limiting time and space. It also requires a lot of dynamic movement and thought process decision making so it's suited to higher skilled PK players.




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Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 13:30

Okay a lil hockey 101. Baba style.

There are many options for a coach on the PK. While grit and hard-working are a key factor it means nothing if each hand doesn't know what butt to wipe. This is where systems come in. It's a basic plan usually with a few contingencies worked in so every player knows what to do next without thinking. These are the things that need to be drilled endlessly so that when you have no time to think about a play you can react and make the right play from instinct and muscle memory.

As for the PK. Here are a few possible setups.

Large box- In this setup the penalty killers form a large box shaped unit. The whole purpose of this setup is to limit the amount of time a power play has to make plays from the side board or point position. Puck side forward pressures the play at the point or side boards while others take passing lanes. Good for teams with high scoring defensemen.

Passive Box-. This setup is similar to the Large Box with one key difference. Instead of attacking pucks on the boards and points the unit let's the power play have them. Instead they rely on shot blocking and shutting down the slot. Useful against a team with weak dmen but strong forwards.

Diamond- This is a hybrid of the two above. Instead of a box the unit is shaped like a Diamond. With a Winger covering the point, a center and a dman covering the side boards and the remaining d-man in front of the net. This type of PK relies on quick sticks in passing lanes and limiting time and space. It also requires a lot of dynamic movement and thought process decision making so it's suited to higher skilled PK players.




You just made my point. Not exactly a ton to choose from.



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Good. I have been saying it for a few games now. Finally my talk with Craig and Kevin sank through. :)


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