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 Puljujarvi for Kreider? [message #701296]
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Twitter's rumour du jour.

Last year's 4th overall pick for a 26 year old who averages 40-50 points.

That would be a disappointing deal in the short-term...unless Puljujarvi never really develops.

It would certainly be a deal for right now which would make the team better in the short-term. From that point of view, it's not bad. He's another left-shooting left winger though so he doesn't really address the area of greatest need.



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 Re: Puljujarvi for Kreider? [message #701299 is a reply to message #701296 ]
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In a world where you can trade Lucic after the deal, maybe that makes sense. But I don't think we live in that world at the moment.

He has 2 seasons left after this year at an AAV of 4.625M. So it's a pretty fair contract for a consistent 20 goal scorer. Unless you are getting somebody demonstrably better than Maroon or Lucic on the left side though, it is not worth giving up Puljuljarvi. He should be getting traded for something we need (2RW or a top 4 RD).

For what it's worth though, I think we should be happy if Puljuljarvi exceeds a 20 goal 50 point scorer.

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That would be right up Chiarelli's alley, lose another trade and waste another AAA asset.


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 Re: Puljujarvi for Kreider? [message #701302 is a reply to message #701296 ]
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The rumours of Pacioretty and Kreider kind of suggest that Maroon extension talk isn't going so well, hey?


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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 October 2017 13:37

The rumours of Pacioretty and Kreider kind of suggest that Maroon extension talk isn't going so well, hey?

Maybe. I have to think that this would be a difficult contract to get done.

On one hand you have Maroon's side. He's well liked, important guy on the team and puts up good numbers. For whatever reason, he clicks with McDavid.

On the other hand you have the Oilers. I am sure they like him, they appreciate what he does for the team and how important he is. Before coming to the Oilers, his career high was 11 goals. He comes to the Oilers, he clicks with McDavid and he takes off. He's played 107 games with the Oilers and have 39 goals. That's pretty damn good. But how inflated are his numbers with McDavid?

I am sure Maroon wants to be paid like a guy who's pushing 30 goals while the Oilers want to pay him like the 15 goal guy he is away from McDavid.




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Adam wrote on Tue, 31 October 2017 11:39

Twitter's rumour du jour.

Last year's 4th overall pick for a 26 year old who averages 40-50 points.

That would be a disappointing deal in the short-term...unless Puljujarvi never really develops.

It would certainly be a deal for right now which would make the team better in the short-term. From that point of view, it's not bad. He's another left-shooting left winger though so he doesn't really address the area of greatest need.




Might actually be a bit interested if he was right handed, but he is not. He definitely plays the Chia style. Big body, brute force into every situation, loves running goalies. Actually really fast too, bonus.

But, if you're trading Pulju, I'd rather put him together with a 1st rounder and even a bit more to get an actual player we need.



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How about Grabner? You want speed? You want a history of playing the PK? You want finish? Grabner checks those boxes and sure as heck shouldn't cost Pulju.

Doesn't have a history of big producing seasons, but he can finish when he gets chances. Need to play with good players that can get moving with him. I think we have at least 1 really fast playmaker.



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I fully expect Chia to add a forward at some point. I am guessing someone with an expiring contract. Who that is will be interesting to see.

Another interesting guy would be Marchessault from Vegas. He's a UFA as well only making 750k. He's not very big at 5'9 174, right shot but he is scrappy as he had over 100 hits last year. I think he's a good skater he and had 30 goals last year. When you have guys like Maroon and Lucic patrolling the left side, you can get away with smaller guys on the other side. He's got 4 goals, 9 pts in 10 games for Vegas. He's only 26, I would have thought he might be a guy that Vegas would want to keep and I kind of thought they would have gave him an extension when they got him. But maybe they are waiting to see.

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I'm still interested in Leivo out of TO. He's stuck behind some pretty skilled wingers there. Had 5 goals in 12 games in 2015/16 but now only seems to get spot duty. Wouldn't think it'd cost a whole lot to acquire him either. He's listed as a LW though...wonder if he can play the right side. He's also a right hand shot, which is nice.


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I hear Leivo's name a lot. Is he a good skater? I think the Oilers lack some speed at forward.


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Apparently Kypreos (sp?) bought up a discussion about would you do a Nurse for Marner deal. Don't think I'd make that one. It seems like Nurse has been around forever, but the kid's only what, 22? Seems to be making huge strides this season, and has been our best or second best d man this year. No doubt Marner can put the puck in the net, but Nurse is the d man we've been waiting for and is only going to get better.

Scoring wingers like Marner you can get for a 3rd liner like Strome apparently deadhorse



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Marner and what?

It's becoming pretty apparent that Nurse is on pace to be at WORSt a big, skate like the wind, physical, nasty, shut down top 4 dman. The points aren't coming yet but he's getting better and better at rushing and moving the puck. I don't see Nurse as a big point producer, probably a 20 - 25 guy, maybe the odd 30 pt year but when you are a guy who can skate like that at his size, you can be a 20+ min dman for the next 15 yrs.

It would take a hell of a lot more than Marner to get Nurse. I am of the opinion and always have been that you build your team at center and on defense.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 November 2017 16:20

Marner and what?

It's becoming pretty apparent that Nurse is on pace to be at WORSt a big, skate like the wind, physical, nasty, shut down top 4 dman. The points aren't coming yet but he's getting better and better at rushing and moving the puck. I don't see Nurse as a big point producer, probably a 20 - 25 guy, maybe the odd 30 pt year but when you are a guy who can skate like that at his size, you can be a 20+ min dman for the next 15 yrs.

It would take a hell of a lot more than Marner to get Nurse. I am of the opinion and always have been that you build your team at center and on defense.


Didn't you hear? Marner is the 2nd coming of Patrick Kane. Probably would take Drai+Nurse to get him.



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Lot's of Oiler fans around the interwebs not in favour of a Marner for Nurse swap. If it is one for one, I would do that pretty quickly.

Without Nurse, we have 3 LD signed for long term already. Sekera and Klefbom are rocks (I hope), and then unfortunately we have to count on 4 more years of Russell. Eventually, one of these 4 left shots will have to go right? It's a logjam.

And honestly, Marner has shown a lot more in my opinion. You could play him on the RW and fill a big hole. I like Nurse, but he hasn't shown that he can produce. He has 3 assists in 14 games. That isn't his game I guess, but how many of these guys should you have on your team when you already have Larsson and Russell? If you can flip him for a rookie who has scored 60 points, I would be pretty happy. I don't think the Leafs even consider this deal.

The ideal scenario would be to get a right shot puck moving defenseman for Nurse. Marner would be a pretty good return.



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 Re: Puljujarvi for Kreider? [message #702109 is a reply to message #701296 ]
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Not worthy of another thread, so here:

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 November 2017 20:57

Not worthy of another thread, so here:

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Just say NO to him & Kreider. Not worth giving up the big assets to get them. Need a medium sized move that won't give up a barely half-full cupboard of prospects.



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Jakey wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 12:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 November 2017 20:57

Not worthy of another thread, so here:

Tracy Lane‏ @TreenasOil
Oilers have had talks with Sabers inquired about Kane....APG


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Just say NO to him & Kreider. Not worth giving up the big assets to get them. Need a medium sized move that won't give up a barely half-full cupboard of prospects.


Yeah - I would wonder about a team looking to move their top scorer - a PPG winger with 3 SHG this year. Seems like a pretty desirable stat line.



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Jakey wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 09:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 November 2017 20:57

Not worthy of another thread, so here:

Tracy Lane‏ @TreenasOil
Oilers have had talks with Sabers inquired about Kane....APG


bdaysmile


Just say NO to him & Kreider. Not worth giving up the big assets to get them. Need a medium sized move that won't give up a barely half-full cupboard of prospects.


Other than that he's a left wing on an expiring contract, I'd take Evander Kane.

Not a great person, but a decent hockey player. 15 points in 15 games so far this year, so it would probably cost a mint to get him.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 10:15

Jakey wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 09:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 November 2017 20:57

Not worthy of another thread, so here:

Tracy Lane‏ @TreenasOil
Oilers have had talks with Sabers inquired about Kane....APG


bdaysmile


Just say NO to him & Kreider. Not worth giving up the big assets to get them. Need a medium sized move that won't give up a barely half-full cupboard of prospects.


Other than that he's a left wing on an expiring contract, I'd take Evander Kane.

Not a great person, but a decent hockey player. 15 points in 15 games so far this year, so it would probably cost a mint to get him.


His crap reputation might actually scare a lot of teams away. Just wishfully thinking? Think he has issues with abusing women, being a general d-bag, skipping practice, all that good stuff. Or are we the only team that gives a discount based on player reputation?



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 14:03


His crap reputation might actually scare a lot of teams away. Just wishfully thinking? Think he has issues with abusing women, being a general d-bag, skipping practice, all that good stuff. Or are we the only team that gives a discount based on player reputation?


I don't think we're the only team that GETS a discount based on player reputation, but we do have a GM who's willing to discount his ASK based on player reputation.



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Man, if people kept healing "character issues" on Taylor Hall, can you imagine Evander Kane who had a court hearing for harassment and assault (later dropped as not criminal, but still criticized and called boorish by the judge)?

Not the easiest player to cheer for, despite the good things he brings on the ice.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 09 November 2017 11:18

Man, if people kept healing "character issues" on Taylor Hall, can you imagine Evander Kane who had a court hearing for harassment and assault (later dropped as not criminal, but still criticized and called boorish by the judge)?

Not the easiest player to cheer for, despite the good things he brings on the ice.


He couldn't get out of Winnipeg fast enough, it would be absolutely hilarious to see him traded back to Canada. On the ice, he's amazing as far as his effort goes. His hockey sense is brutal and his shot selection worse. He's a very head down type of guy, often won't even see the other player on a two on one.

He was easy to cheer for on the ice though because his effort level truly is top notch. His speed would be an asset to the Oilers as well. Only problem is I don't really remember him playing much on the right side.



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