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Ragnarok73  is currently offline Ragnarok73
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I'm not quite firmly convinced that Eakins' isn't the right man for this job, but frankly, I'm getting there now. Also, to be fair, I'm not sure that *anyone* could be the right man for the job as long as Lowe is still in charge of this team.

However, I thought I'd just toss this out there because I have this impression that MacT isn't going to remain patient with Eakins throughout the entire season if the team continues to play as poorly as they did tonight.

Aside from Laviolette, who else is there who MacT could impulsively leap into hiring as a replacement?



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This team just doesn't give a damn. They aren't going to play / win for anyone... just blow this bull____ up and try again. Keep Hall, Nuge and Perron and get rid of everything else.

Ebs, Gagner and Yakupov are never going to win you anything... Schultz is a defensive disaster out there...

Petry has moments of brilliance mixed with moments of absolutely terrible miscues. Our D in general is F'ing terrible.

And don't get me started on our goalies...

Finally, get rid of the retro jerseys and design something new that looks tough as F. The orange and blue jerseys look like clown suits these days.



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HamBlaster wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:53

This team just doesn't give a damn. They aren't going to play / win for anyone... just blow this bull____ up and try again. Keep Hall, Nuge and Perron and get rid of everything else.

Ebs, Gagner and Yakupov are never going to win you anything... Schultz is a defensive disaster out there...

Petry has moments of brilliance mixed with moments of absolutely terrible miscues. Our D in general is F'ing terrible.

And don't get me started on our goalies...

Finally, get rid of the retro jerseys and design something new that looks tough as F. The orange and blue jerseys look like clown suits these days.


I agree about the jerseys. Why the hell would you want to go retro with blue and orange jerseys, seriously?

Now watch MacT fire Eakins and step back in as HC.



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MacT is staring at a mirror right now, "I'm going back in."


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I dont think that this is a fix involving coaches, I believe now that it is management problem. There seems to a huge level of complacency with this team that resonates throughout the lineup, from the front office all the way to the fourth liners. This team could use guys like Grier, Marchment, Kovalenko, Marchant and Guerin. Guys who just went out there and played, they threw thunderous hits and kept this house a tough place to play in. Now its like teams are coming in knowing that theyre facing school girls with their new purses.

Clearly playing and winning six Stanley Cups doesnt parlay into successfully running a winning hockey team. The whole culture took a huge nosedive when Lowe took over all those years ago, this team had the small market charm with their big can do players. Now we are loaded with a bunch of highly skilled nancy boys who would rather fire ninety passes. Oh god this is getting worse, Kruegers firing was baffling at the time and MacT and the boys really sold us on Eakins and his potential toturn this team around. So far nothing, nada, just quietly getting beaten down every night.



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The biggest problem was that when they did decide to admit to a rebuild, they still had too many country-clubbers that passed on the loser mentality. We've mentioned on here a lot over the years about the culture, and I don't think a HC change will fix that.

My company got a new CEO a year ago, and it's taken this long to move the needle to the positive even a little bit after the previous leadership fostered a toxic culture. It's been hard sledding because most of the problem children that thrived in the toxicity have taken this long to realize that their gravy train has ended and they actually have to work/deliver. For the most part, they left on their own accord (but not without making more problems along the way trying to fight the change), but many have been sacked too.

I can only hope rock bottom comes sooner rather than later.

(By the way, we had our first profit in years last quarter.)



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We have had four head coaches in four years.

We've had three #1 picks in three years.

We've convinced one of the best young free agent defensemen to sign with us.


AND WE STILL SUCK.


No head coach can fix this. I said when Eakins was hired. His message is the same as the rest of the puppets. it's not rocket science, we need to play a heavier game.

Problem is how to do preach that type of game to a bunch of Smurfettes?

Go full Fukashima and make 'er glow. No HC change will make a lick of difference to this team. Full Scale Transplant.



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ronster wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:32

We have had four head coaches in four years.


And mostly the same assistant coaches.



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Bryan Halls Toupee wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:53

ronster wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:32

We have had four head coaches in four years.


And mostly the same assistant coaches.



I'm going to predict that the assistants (some/all) get (sacrificially and deservedly) canned this week. Yes, they're boys on the bus - but they're the most expendable ones.



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If a coach change does happen I hope it is someone that has a history of actually doing a good job coaching at the NHL level. That is all I want. At the very least with our garbage team continuing to lose we don't have to constantly question if maybe it is all the fault of a newb coach.


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oobga wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:36

If a coach change does happen I hope it is someone that has a history of actually doing a good job coaching at the NHL level. That is all I want. At the very least with our garbage team continuing to lose we don't have to constantly question if maybe it is all the fault of a newb coach.


This. No more experiments. Pin down the HC as someone who has been there already.



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nullterm wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:38

oobga wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:36

If a coach change does happen I hope it is someone that has a history of actually doing a good job coaching at the NHL level. That is all I want. At the very least with our garbage team continuing to lose we don't have to constantly question if maybe it is all the fault of a newb coach.


This. No more experiments. Pin down the HC as someone who has been there already.


No HC can fix this. No one.

They need to cut out the cancer from top to bottom.

We've had FOUR head coaches in FOUR years. Whats the definition of insanity?



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ronster wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:53

nullterm wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:38

oobga wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:36

If a coach change does happen I hope it is someone that has a history of actually doing a good job coaching at the NHL level. That is all I want. At the very least with our garbage team continuing to lose we don't have to constantly question if maybe it is all the fault of a newb coach.


This. No more experiments. Pin down the HC as someone who has been there already.


No HC can fix this. No one.

They need to cut out the cancer from top to bottom.

We've had FOUR head coaches in FOUR years. Whats the definition of insanity?

That's not true. We had that one guy for a few years. You know who I mean! He was here just after that other guy.

Ugh, and he was just before the newer guy we had.




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So how many head coaches do we need to change to finish the rebuild? 7? 8?


Asking to change the coach this early is a stupid panic move. Scotty Bowman at his heights couldn't have coached this team to a winning record because the goaltending just hasn't been good enough.


If you keep changing coaches, the systems keep changing and the players have to learn something new every year. Tambellini was too impatient with his coaches and now MacT has to bite the bullet and let his guy establish some consistency in order for this rebuild to move forward. Otherwise, it's just going to be 2 steps forward and 3 steps back each and every year.


Even if this is a lost year, let Eakins have a decent crack. No one year wonders like Tambellini's tenure. The players are starting to learn to play within Eakins' system so it's time to let them grow with it instead of ripping it out at the roots and starting all over again.



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v4ance wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 21:55

So how many head coaches do we need to change to finish the rebuild? 7? 8?


Asking to change the coach this early is a stupid panic move. Scotty Bowman at his heights couldn't have coached this team to a winning record because the goaltending just hasn't been good enough.


If you keep changing coaches, the systems keep changing and the players have to learn something new every year. Tambellini was too impatient with his coaches and now MacT has to bite the bullet and let his guy establish some consistency in order for this rebuild to move forward. Otherwise, it's just going to be 2 steps forward and 3 steps back each and every year.


Even if this is a lost year, let Eakins have a decent crack. No one year wonders like Tambellini's tenure. The players are starting to learn to play within Eakins' system so it's time to let them grow with it instead of ripping it out at the roots and starting all over again.


As much as i think Eakins is ANOTHER one year wonder (and nuke the whole enchilada) , this makes sense.

Changing the coach make no sense. it's proven no coach can get this team going in the right direction. Keep the message the same. At least it's some sort of continuity.

And torpedo Bucky and Smith. Get some real coaches.



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My theory on a rebuild:

You can suck to get yourself 1st rounders, but you can't allow them to play with losers, that have no courage, because that sh_t is contagious.

The franchise players should be skating around feeling untouchable, so they can develop and play to their potential.

We have the situation now where all our top picks are skating scared and have all been severly injured through thier first few years, they are getting conditioned to feel fear, and expect to lose. The boys needed to play with men, they got poultry.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:07

My theory on a rebuild:

You can suck to get yourself 1st rounders, but you can't allow them to play with losers, that have no courage, because that sh_t is contagious.

The franchise players should be skating around feeling untouchable, so they can develop and play to their potential.

We have the situation now where all our top picks are skating scared and have all been severly injured through thier first few years, they are getting conditioned to feel fear, and expect to lose. The boys needed to play with men, they got poultry.


Dear lord this. We're the world's most elite 16 year old team against the 95/96 Avalanche.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/000 6901996.html (click, then sort by PIM's)



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How many changes can be made before people see the real issue? It's the same one Beerfish and myself complained about several seasons ago and were ridiculed.

Management has changed the roster a thousand times with nothing to show for it. Management has changed head coaches 4 times with nothing to show for it. Management has changed GM's 3 times (once was an effed up appointment of himself) with nothing to show for it.

He has run out of excuses. There is no one left to blame, and some of us have been preaching it since before the Cup run.



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Hate to pee on your fire here but might the question be rephrased as "HC Replacement Possibilities, who would come here with the team we have, and having seen 4 coaches in 4 years leave"

Question is what is left that we haven't tried:

Quinn - highly experienced with proven NHL success.
Eakins - successful AHL coach making the jump.
Krueger - successful international coach
Renney - successful assistant promoted to coach
MacT - internal hire

So what haven't we tried? AHA I have it...Kavis Reed....proven that he can't coach football, maybe he's just in the wrong sport.



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haggis wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:40

Hate to pee on your fire here but might the question be rephrased as "HC Replacement Possibilities, who would come here with the team we have, and having seen 4 coaches in 4 years leave"

Question is what is left that we haven't tried:

Quinn - highly experienced with proven NHL success.
Eakins - successful AHL coach making the jump.
Krueger - successful international coach
Renney - successful assistant promoted to coach
MacT - internal hire

So what haven't we tried? AHA I have it...Kavis Reed....proven that he can't coach football, maybe he's just in the wrong sport.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:53

haggis wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:40

Hate to pee on your fire here but might the question be rephrased as "HC Replacement Possibilities, who would come here with the team we have, and having seen 4 coaches in 4 years leave"

Question is what is left that we haven't tried:

Quinn - highly experienced with proven NHL success.
Eakins - successful AHL coach making the jump.
Krueger - successful international coach
Renney - successful assistant promoted to coach
MacT - internal hire

So what haven't we tried? AHA I have it...Kavis Reed....proven that he can't coach football, maybe he's just in the wrong sport.



Ha!
..There WILL be consequences !! ... :)


We're gonna trade Hall for a kicker?



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nullterm wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:54

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:53

haggis wrote on Tue, 29 October 2013 22:40

Hate to pee on your fire here but might the question be rephrased as "HC Replacement Possibilities, who would come here with the team we have, and having seen 4 coaches in 4 years leave"

Question is what is left that we haven't tried:

Quinn - highly experienced with proven NHL success.
Eakins - successful AHL coach making the jump.
Krueger - successful international coach
Renney - successful assistant promoted to coach
MacT - internal hire

So what haven't we tried? AHA I have it...Kavis Reed....proven that he can't coach football, maybe he's just in the wrong sport.



Ha!
..There WILL be consequences !! ... :)


We're gonna trade Hall for a kicker?


No, wrong guy... although...maybe Tillman will be the next Oiler GM!



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:59

No, wrong guy... although...maybe Tillman will be the next Oiler GM!


I know it sounds unbelievable, but he could screw up the Oil even worse than KLowN has.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:08

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:59

No, wrong guy... although...maybe Tillman will be the next Oiler GM!


I know it sounds unbelievable, but he could screw up the Oil even worse than KLowN has.


Yeah, he'd probably have a hard time running the team from Regina!



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:12

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:08

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:59

No, wrong guy... although...maybe Tillman will be the next Oiler GM!


I know it sounds unbelievable, but he could screw up the Oil even worse than KLowN has.


Yeah, he'd probably have a hard time running the team from Regina!


Can't be that hard, Lowe does it from Katz's rec room re-telling stories from the glory days over a glass of bourbon.



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How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."



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Mike wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:07

How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."


That's exactly it. There's consequences for everyone in the organization that isn't a member of that clique, but if you played for the Oilers in the 80s, then you're golden. It's everyone else's fault. You're doing a great job!

There's no leadership there. Lowe's always giving himself an excuse. I'm sure that by January he will reveal or leak that he knew this would be a growing year, that they knew Dallas was going to have a lot of work to mold the guys on the team, and that this was never going to be a playoff year - but don't worry. They're pretty sure we'll have a big leap forward next year.

And the cycle begins anew.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:22

Mike wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:07

How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."


That's exactly it. There's consequences for everyone in the organization that isn't a member of that clique, but if you played for the Oilers in the 80s, then you're golden. It's everyone else's fault. You're doing a great job!

There's no leadership there. Lowe's always giving himself an excuse. I'm sure that by January he will reveal or leak that he knew this would be a growing year, that they knew Dallas was going to have a lot of work to mold the guys on the team, and that this was never going to be a playoff year - but don't worry. They're pretty sure we'll have a big leap forward next year.

And the cycle begins anew.

The cycle began before it even started. Those of us that saw the pattern started to get really cynical really early this season, then I got ironically optimistic because I'm a hockey hipster, then I got smug. Next year, baby. Just wait til next year.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:26

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:22

Mike wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:07

How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."


That's exactly it. There's consequences for everyone in the organization that isn't a member of that clique, but if you played for the Oilers in the 80s, then you're golden. It's everyone else's fault. You're doing a great job!

There's no leadership there. Lowe's always giving himself an excuse. I'm sure that by January he will reveal or leak that he knew this would be a growing year, that they knew Dallas was going to have a lot of work to mold the guys on the team, and that this was never going to be a playoff year - but don't worry. They're pretty sure we'll have a big leap forward next year.

And the cycle begins anew.

The cycle began before it even started. Those of us that saw the pattern started to get really cynical really early this season, then I got ironically optimistic because I'm a hockey hipster, then I got smug. Next year, baby. Just wait til next year.


Will you cycle through all the same attitudes? Or are you stuck in smug for good now?



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612432 is a reply to message #612429 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:19

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:26

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:22

Mike wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:07

How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."


That's exactly it. There's consequences for everyone in the organization that isn't a member of that clique, but if you played for the Oilers in the 80s, then you're golden. It's everyone else's fault. You're doing a great job!

There's no leadership there. Lowe's always giving himself an excuse. I'm sure that by January he will reveal or leak that he knew this would be a growing year, that they knew Dallas was going to have a lot of work to mold the guys on the team, and that this was never going to be a playoff year - but don't worry. They're pretty sure we'll have a big leap forward next year.

And the cycle begins anew.

The cycle began before it even started. Those of us that saw the pattern started to get really cynical really early this season, then I got ironically optimistic because I'm a hockey hipster, then I got smug. Next year, baby. Just wait til next year.


Will you cycle through all the same attitudes? Or are you stuck in smug for good now?


I have to say I'm really enjoy the smug, I might keep it for a while.



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612434 is a reply to message #612432 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:19

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:26

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:22

Mike wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:07

How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."


That's exactly it. There's consequences for everyone in the organization that isn't a member of that clique, but if you played for the Oilers in the 80s, then you're golden. It's everyone else's fault. You're doing a great job!

There's no leadership there. Lowe's always giving himself an excuse. I'm sure that by January he will reveal or leak that he knew this would be a growing year, that they knew Dallas was going to have a lot of work to mold the guys on the team, and that this was never going to be a playoff year - but don't worry. They're pretty sure we'll have a big leap forward next year.

And the cycle begins anew.

The cycle began before it even started. Those of us that saw the pattern started to get really cynical really early this season, then I got ironically optimistic because I'm a hockey hipster, then I got smug. Next year, baby. Just wait til next year.


Will you cycle through all the same attitudes? Or are you stuck in smug for good now?


I have to say I'm really enjoy the smug, I might keep it for a while.


Bold decision. I was beginning to expect the unexpected when it came to your shifting attitudes.

Have I mentioned lately that my summer league team has FIVE championships to our name? So I think I know a little about winning.

What was this thread about again?



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612439 is a reply to message #612434 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:29

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:19

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:26

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:22

Mike wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:07

How do we go through 5 head coaches (MacT, Quinn, Renney, Krueger, Eakins), but pretty much the same set of assistant coaches? That just does not make sense to me. I know that if I identify the problem as being coaching, the first time around, I might try just changing the head coach. Second time, maybe. But at some point, you want to change the culture and make a wholesale change, well you have to suck it up and let your buddies go.

MacT's comments at the presser, something to the effect of "sure Dallas (my employee) can choose his own assistants if he wants to. I just hope that he keeps the current ones. But it's his choice. But I think he should keep my friends on..."


That's exactly it. There's consequences for everyone in the organization that isn't a member of that clique, but if you played for the Oilers in the 80s, then you're golden. It's everyone else's fault. You're doing a great job!

There's no leadership there. Lowe's always giving himself an excuse. I'm sure that by January he will reveal or leak that he knew this would be a growing year, that they knew Dallas was going to have a lot of work to mold the guys on the team, and that this was never going to be a playoff year - but don't worry. They're pretty sure we'll have a big leap forward next year.

And the cycle begins anew.

The cycle began before it even started. Those of us that saw the pattern started to get really cynical really early this season, then I got ironically optimistic because I'm a hockey hipster, then I got smug. Next year, baby. Just wait til next year.


Will you cycle through all the same attitudes? Or are you stuck in smug for good now?


I have to say I'm really enjoy the smug, I might keep it for a while.


Bold decision. I was beginning to expect the unexpected when it came to your shifting attitudes.

Have I mentioned lately that my summer league team has FIVE championships to our name? So I think I know a little about winning.

What was this thread about again?

They're all about the same thing now. Slight variations of the same theme.



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612440 is a reply to message #612434 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:29

Bold decision. I was beginning to expect the unexpected when it came to your shifting attitudes.

Have I mentioned lately that my summer league team has FIVE championships to our name? So I think I know a little about winning.

What was this thread about again?

The Seven Stages of Denial AKA The Typical Life of The Average Edmonton Oilers Fan.



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612405 is a reply to message #612387 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 01:12

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:08

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:59

No, wrong guy... although...maybe Tillman will be the next Oiler GM!


I know it sounds unbelievable, but he could screw up the Oil even worse than KLowN has.


Yeah, he'd probably have a hard time running the team from Regina!


Our owner lives in Vancouver, so why not?!



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612435 is a reply to message #612405 ]
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I don't really care to change the coach, at all, but I do want to point out that probably anyone in the world, including a monkey could have obtained the Oilers' results since 2006.


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Magnum wrote on Wed, 30 October 2013 10:35

I don't really care to change the coach, at all, but I do want to point out that probably anyone in the world, including a monkey could have obtained the Oilers' results since 2006.


No no Magnum, you're looking at it all wrong...they WANTED to be terrible. The management was actually very skillful in making the team suck as hard as they did.

Yes, ahead of their first worst overall season they signed the coaching "dream team" and traded unsuccessfully for Dany Heatley and signed Nikolai Khabibulin and Mike Comrie, but it was all part of the plan to be terrible that year. That year, the only people who did anything wrong were Souray, the trainers and equipment staff, and Pat Quinn.


The next year, they had to shrug off some adversity to get really bad again. Ryan Whitney came out of the gate strong, and Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi all looked like players, so it was lucky that almost all of them got hurt and the team wasn't able to pull out of last place. The only blame to go out on that year was on departing players. Penner was fat and sucked. Cogliano was small and sucked. Kurtis Foster sucked. Colin Fraser sucked.

The real tricky part of the year they sucked and got Yakupov is that they had to make it seem like they were done sucking, because they didn't want people to stop coming to the games, so they sneakily went and brought in a bunch of free agents who were going to really help. Belanger was a 40 point player who won face-offs, killed penalties and would be a leader in the room. Ben Eager and Darcy Hordichuk were just what we needed for grit and sandpaper. Cam Barker was a 3rd overall pick for god's sakes! We got Smyth back too! He's an Edmonton hero!!! But the plan all along was to sandbag the year. Lowe even said so later. Of course, it was still Tom Renney's fault. And Ryan Whitney - he didn't accept his role. And a bunch of other unnamed veterans too. Man, if only they hadn't accepted the suckage plan better.

I'm making myself annoyed, so I'm going to end this post here...




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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612508 is a reply to message #612442 ]
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wow just wow, I would laugh at this post, but I find myself almost crying...... So sad yet almost true. Hope springs eternal except in Oilers nation..... drink


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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612538 is a reply to message #612508 ]
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I think if anything, Eakens should be made the GM. He can't be worse than what we have had the last decade. I don't blame him for this mess at all. What he has to work with were provided by management.

If anyone needs to go right now its all management and assistant coaches.

As far as the players go. They need tough love right now. Someone mean....someone who might kick their a**es if they whine. The only guy I would want in there would be Mark Messier. But way before that I want Lowe gone, and the assistant coaches.

Unfortunately I doubt Bono, err, Katz, has any idea what is going on down in Whoville.



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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612557 is a reply to message #612538 ]
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Doesnt seem like you do either considering you want Eakins to be our GM and be replaced by Mark Messier.


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 Re: HC Replacement Possibilities? [message #612645 is a reply to message #612557 ]
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Just going to throw this out there but why dont we try and keep a coach for more then a season and let him work his system for a couple of seasons.


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