| Same Old Excuses [message #588075] |
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 Luvnaz
Messages: 77
Registered: February 2007
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I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year. Concerns that are SO STILL IN NEED OF BEING ADDRESSED:
THE NEGATIVES
1) How many of the games this year has the Oil outplayed it's opponent? Maybe 1? Maybe? WHich one? The Kings game maybe?
2) They have been outshot I believe in every game but two.
3) They have shown fatigue already as compared to the other teams they have played. How can you be fatigued in 8 games this year when they are the second youngest team?????
4) Almost half of the team had been playing during the lockout. This was supposed to be an advantage.
5) They rank third in giving up shots per game????
6) They are in the bottom half (22nd) of the league in shots taken.
7) I am sure they are near the top of the league in giveaways.
8) We are still so pathetically being pushed around.
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions. What ticks me off most will be the YAY Sayers stating that "It is only the first two weeks of the season"!!!
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KenMoreira
Messages: 263
Registered: March 2010
Location: Edmonton
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So you're saying we should draft Jones :P ?
(it would be a dream to have him with Schultz)
It really is better hockey then we've seen, you make it sound like we're not generating scoring chances.
Our youth is playing at so-so ability and are averaging around a ppg across the board.
Wait till they get going and see where we stand on a lot of these aspects.
I see us as better then 50 percent all season long.
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Bangalter
Messages: 26
Registered: January 2013
Location: Edmonton
Junior Prospect
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biggest concerns from my perspective is
1. Our bottom 6 has contributed 2 goals this season. (A goal is a goal but Horcoff's was a complete fluke)
2. Whitney and Potter
I obviously have other concerns too but these two need to be sorted out first. We have 5 forwards who are scoring at a high level we cant really expect them to do much more offensively.
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KenMoreira
Messages: 263
Registered: March 2010
Location: Edmonton
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bottom 6 should have one every other game, if you want to be successful.
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Hibernia
Messages: 1181
Registered: October 1998
Location: Sin John's
Goaltender's Nightmare
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Well, yeah it's only two weeks in. Remember that last year the Oilers were 8-2-2 after 12 games. A lot can change.
"He loved to compete, and he loved to talk just as much, employing a unique tongue that became known around the league as Tikkanese. Seems to have been some sort of creole of English, Finnish, Swedish, Unintelligible and Sound Effects..." - Bruce McCurdy
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Wow. Just wow.What would you do if we were 2-4-1?
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Oilerman53
Messages: 424
Registered: September 2007
Location: LLoyd
Hotshot Rookie
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8 games in and concerns are already in full force lol. Why do we need 3rd and 4th lines scoring when our top two are doing just fine? Are you looking for 8 goals a night? There have been flashes and it takes a bit of time to find their game. The officiating has been horrible in half the games.
With all due respect... that ain't worth a velvet painting of a dolphin and a whale gettin' it on!
-Ricky (If you ain't first you're last!) Bobby
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Bangalter
Messages: 26
Registered: January 2013
Location: Edmonton
Junior Prospect
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| Oilerman53 wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 22:08 |
8 games in and concerns are already in full force lol. Why do we need 3rd and 4th lines scoring when our top two are doing just fine? Are you looking for 8 goals a night? There have been flashes and it takes a bit of time to find their game. The officiating has been horrible in half the games.
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Are you seriously asking why our 3rd and 4th line need to score goals? Did I say I was looking for 8 goals a night? No kidding it takes time to find their game it's been 1/5 of the season how much more time do they need in a short season?
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Oilerman53
Messages: 424
Registered: September 2007
Location: LLoyd
Hotshot Rookie
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48 games is the exact same number of games 29 other teams play this year conincidentally. I think you need to renew your Ritalin prescription homie, the chicken little bit might be better suited after 15-20 games. This was a lottery team the past few years and they are taking steps in the right direction. I think if they can get 22 more wins they have a shot at making the playoffs or being really close.
With all due respect... that ain't worth a velvet painting of a dolphin and a whale gettin' it on!
-Ricky (If you ain't first you're last!) Bobby
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 1747
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
Conn Smythe Winner
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| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 16:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year. Concerns that are SO STILL IN NEED OF BEING ADDRESSED:
THE NEGATIVES
1) How many of the games this year has the Oil outplayed it's opponent? Maybe 1? Maybe? WHich one? The Kings game maybe?
2) They have been outshot I believe in every game but two.
3) They have shown fatigue already as compared to the other teams they have played. How can you be fatigued in 8 games this year when they are the second youngest team?????
4) Almost half of the team had been playing during the lockout. This was supposed to be an advantage.
5) They rank third in giving up shots per game????
6) They are in the bottom half (22nd) of the league in shots taken.
7) I am sure they are near the top of the league in giveaways.
8) We are still so pathetically being pushed around.
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions. What ticks me off most will be the YAY Sayers stating that "It is only the first two weeks of the season"!!!
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You solve No. 8, and you go a long way in solving the other 9.
But this has been a GLARING hole in the Oil line up for freaking years, can't believe they haven't done something yet.
Maybe when Phoenix goes to QC, we can trade for Doan, get a couple of good years out of him. That example of character and leadership would go a long way in transforming the Oil future
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
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v4ance
Messages: 2014
Registered: July 2008
Location: Calgary
Retired Hockey Player
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 22:55 |
| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 16:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year. Concerns that are SO STILL IN NEED OF BEING ADDRESSED:
THE NEGATIVES
1) How many of the games this year has the Oil outplayed it's opponent? Maybe 1? Maybe? WHich one? The Kings game maybe?
2) They have been outshot I believe in every game but two.
3) They have shown fatigue already as compared to the other teams they have played. How can you be fatigued in 8 games this year when they are the second youngest team?????
4) Almost half of the team had been playing during the lockout. This was supposed to be an advantage.
5) They rank third in giving up shots per game????
6) They are in the bottom half (22nd) of the league in shots taken.
7) I am sure they are near the top of the league in giveaways.
8) We are still so pathetically being pushed around.
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions. What ticks me off most will be the YAY Sayers stating that "It is only the first two weeks of the season"!!!
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You solve No. 8, and you go a long way in solving the other 9.
But this has been a GLARING hole in the Oil line up for freaking years, can't believe they haven't done something yet.
Maybe when Phoenix goes to QC, we can trade for Doan, get a couple of good years out of him. That example of character and leadership would go a long way in transforming the Oil future
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Impatience.
Why go after the 36 year old making $5.3 million?
If we picked Doan up, we'd be doing exactly the wrong thing. We need cheap younger grit. Not overpriced 3rd liners.
You'd think we'd have learned after Horcoff and Smyth?
Doan is a great player but we need a version that is 10 years younger and $4 million cheaper.
Jordan Eberle on his goal scoring: "A lot of guys joke that I have a muffin. Well, it's an accurate muffin, and that's all that counts."
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| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year.
THE NEGATIVES
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions.
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9) OH NO!!! SAM GAGNER IS HAVING A CAREER YEAR!!! HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS??????
10) I went to NHL.com and it turns out the Oilers are actually tied for 17th in the league with Buffalo in the statistic of "excuses.. sorry, EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!"
-also: seriously? "10 negatives to 2" includes your negative number 10? You don't think positives include: Yakupov, Justin Schultz, & improved performances from our veteran centres? Hemsky & Gagner playing way better? Decent young bottom 6 performances from Hartikainen and Petrell? Shouldn't "Devan Dubnyk" be positive #1? What games were you watching??
"You've got to smile every day because life you just live once. You've got to push everything you can every day and be nice with the people and keep your family in your heart." - Nail Yakupov
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Magnum
Messages: 3241
Registered: June 2009
Location: Lost
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Gagner and Hall tied for 22nd Ebs in the top fifty.
Nail within top ten for goals in his first 8 games in the NHL.
Justin Shultz is better than advertised.
Belanger has jump back in his step.
Pajaarvi looking useful again.
DD looking like a reliable starter.
In playoff position a fifth of the way through the season.
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Boniman
Messages: 1613
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton
Stanley Cup Workhorse
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| zoofarmcheater wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 00:10 |
| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year.
THE NEGATIVES
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions.
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9) OH NO!!! SAM GAGNER IS HAVING A CAREER YEAR!!! HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS??????
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I'm pretty sure what he's getting at with Gagner is we should be seeing a Hall, Ebs or Nuge up there. Kudos to Gags for having a great start.
Tired of draft talk
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 oobga
Messages: 1802
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
Broke The 600 Goal Mark
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An effective 2nd line is nothing to complain about. If the opposition decides that Gagner's line is the bigger threat, then that will open things up for Nuge's line getting them away from the top checkers. That's the type of thing we have been waiting to see for a very long time.
I think one of the biggest problems is our guys are learning a new system. We have seen spurts where our players seem to be doing everything right and shutting down opposition, but then you get other periods of sheer panic and guys running around with no clue what to do. I think they just need time and a some more than 1 day breaks and they can work on the system some more. We carried over our special teams pretty nicely since those haven't changed much from last year or from OKC for the PP, but 5 on 5, we're really all over the place so far. We really did need a pre-season this year.
Sorry about the excuses above :)
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Kevin Lowe: blah blah blah I won lots of cups so I know about winning blah blah blah I made the best oiler trade ever blah blah blah
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Adam
Messages: 7310
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
GM Of A Dynasty
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| Boniman wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 07:30 |
| zoofarmcheater wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 00:10 |
| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year.
THE NEGATIVES
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions.
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9) OH NO!!! SAM GAGNER IS HAVING A CAREER YEAR!!! HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS??????
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I'm pretty sure what he's getting at with Gagner is we should be seeing a Hall, Ebs or Nuge up there. Kudos to Gags for having a great start.
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After eight games:
Taylor Hall: 2-7-9
Jordan Eberle: 3-4-7
Nail Yakupov: 5-1-6
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 0-5-5
Justin Schultz: 2-3-5
Nope. Not seeing a lot to complain about in those numbers. No Vanek start for any of them, but not exactly embarrassingly bad performance.
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Boniman
Messages: 1613
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 09:02 |
| Boniman wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 07:30 |
| zoofarmcheater wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 00:10 |
| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year.
THE NEGATIVES
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions.
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9) OH NO!!! SAM GAGNER IS HAVING A CAREER YEAR!!! HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS??????
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I'm pretty sure what he's getting at with Gagner is we should be seeing a Hall, Ebs or Nuge up there. Kudos to Gags for having a great start.
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After eight games:
Taylor Hall: 2-7-9
Jordan Eberle: 3-4-7
Nail Yakupov: 5-1-6
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 0-5-5
Justin Schultz: 2-3-5
Nope. Not seeing a lot to complain about in those numbers. No Vanek start for any of them, but not exactly embarrassingly bad performance.
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Oh I'm not complaining at all myself. I'd rather have a slow start and build momentum than start hot and fizzle out like last year.
Tired of draft talk
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Mike
Messages: 5891
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
Rookie Oilers GM
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| Boniman wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 12:38 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 09:02 |
| Boniman wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 07:30 |
| zoofarmcheater wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 00:10 |
| Luvnaz wrote on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:43 |
I am massively concerned that in the last two weeks the 2013-14 edition of the Oilers is not much different that of the previous year.
THE NEGATIVES
9) Sam Gagner is leading the team in scoring
10) WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN EXCUSES AS TO WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS!!!
THE POSITIVES
1) We are over .500
2) The specialty teams are AWESOME
10 Negatives to 2 Positives. Yup, not much difference from the previous editions.
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9) OH NO!!! SAM GAGNER IS HAVING A CAREER YEAR!!! HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!!! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS??????
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I'm pretty sure what he's getting at with Gagner is we should be seeing a Hall, Ebs or Nuge up there. Kudos to Gags for having a great start.
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After eight games:
Taylor Hall: 2-7-9
Jordan Eberle: 3-4-7
Nail Yakupov: 5-1-6
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 0-5-5
Justin Schultz: 2-3-5
Nope. Not seeing a lot to complain about in those numbers. No Vanek start for any of them, but not exactly embarrassingly bad performance.
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Oh I'm not complaining at all myself. I'd rather have a slow start and build momentum than start hot and fizzle out like last year.
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Yeah - I think it has been a decent start. I'm concerned that we didn't flat out win any games, but whatever.
I will say that with 7 of the next 9 at home, we REALLy need to pad that cushion - I think we need at least 13 of those 18 points, because after that we have a BRUTAL 9 game road trip against:
CHI
DAL
STL
MIN
CLB
DET
NSH
CHI
COL
That's gonna be some tough sledding. Looking at that, a 9 game road trip with 2 back to backs, against some pretty solid teams, we'll be lucky to come out of that with 9 points.
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Rocksteady
Messages: 2523
Registered: March 2007
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All I see in your post Luvnaz is impatience.
Were you expecting the team to compete for the cup this year? If you were, you might be disappointed and you may need to ask Dr.Oil for a prescription of some kind of ulcer medicine.
Chill out dude. It's coming.
8 games. 8.
You can actually count that many if you hold up both hands and count your fingers and thumbs.
8.
Poise™
What's old is new again.
Listen guys I have over 2500 posts on oilfans, so I know a little something about posting.
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Ragnarok73
Messages: 1256
Registered: February 2011
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| Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 08:57 |
8 games. 8.
You can actually count that many if you hold up both hands and count your fingers and thumbs.
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This. It's still a bit early yet to be determining if this season is a success or not for the team. Some patience is definitely warranted at this point.
"Life is warfare and the sojourn of a stranger in a strange land." - Marcus Aurelius
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mightyreasoner
Messages: 1724
Registered: October 2005
Location: Edmonton
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My concerns:
- We are 28th in 5-on-5 goals for/against ratio. Only Columbus & Florida are worse.
- Ryan Whitney is struggling badly. Potter's not the answer. We could use one more dependable NHL defenseman.
- A little more bang in our bottom 6 would be nice.
Otherwise, I think everything has the potential to work itself out. I'm not surprised or upset with where we are right now. Fix our 5-on-5 play, and I think we're on track for where we should be right now.
Oh, and one MAJOR positive? Our team defense has been better than anybody expected. Maybe a lot of this has to do with Dubnyk, but whatever the cause, they are Top-10 good so far in defense.
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Mike
Messages: 5891
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
Rookie Oilers GM
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| mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:17 |
Otherwise, I think everything has the potential to work itself out. I'm not surprised or upset with where we are right now. Fix our 5-on-5 play, and I think we're on track for where we should be right now.
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Though that stat is concerning, we have been creating TONS of chances 5-5. I know it doesn't count if they don't go in, but definitely better to be 28th while creating boatloads of chances than not creating anything. Just a matter of time I think for our top 6 to start potting some at even strength.
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NZ Oiler Fan
Messages: 825
Registered: October 2006
Location: Rocky Mountain House, AB
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 13:48 |
| mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:17 |
Otherwise, I think everything has the potential to work itself out. I'm not surprised or upset with where we are right now. Fix our 5-on-5 play, and I think we're on track for where we should be right now.
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Though that stat is concerning, we have been creating TONS of chances 5-5. I know it doesn't count if they don't go in, but definitely better to be 28th while creating boatloads of chances than not creating anything. Just a matter of time I think for our top 6 to start potting some at even strength.
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Also, lots of the PP's are a result of those chances being created 5 on 5.
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Mike
Messages: 5891
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
Rookie Oilers GM
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 17:03 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 13:48 |
| mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:17 |
Otherwise, I think everything has the potential to work itself out. I'm not surprised or upset with where we are right now. Fix our 5-on-5 play, and I think we're on track for where we should be right now.
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Though that stat is concerning, we have been creating TONS of chances 5-5. I know it doesn't count if they don't go in, but definitely better to be 28th while creating boatloads of chances than not creating anything. Just a matter of time I think for our top 6 to start potting some at even strength.
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Also, lots of the PP's are a result of those chances being created 5 on 5.
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Good point.
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ronster
Messages: 635
Registered: October 2005
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Im wondering if Nuge is hurting a bit...didnt they keep him out of the lineup in OKC then re-examine his shoulder before heading to the WJC? He's definitely not the same as before...
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Magnum
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Again, the faithful expect the boys to beat men, and are surprised when they don't. Finishing 10th would be a huge step forward from 14th, but some are going crazy because the Oil aren't in third.
Playoffs this year area bonus, not a likelyhood.
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