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 Adam
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Some rumours that the Red Wings plane has landed from Madison, WI and that Suter might be on it ahead of an announcement. No confirmation, but a couple of interesting re-tweets:
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Ansar Khan @AnsarKhanMLive
Wings plane returned from Madison 20 minutes ago. Media not allowed on grounds. No interviews allowed.
Retweeted by Greg Wyshynski
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Phil K. @clipper377
@Buccigross Flight data says a gulfstream registered to the Red Wings left Madison WI 40 mins ago. Bringing Suter? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N559LC
Retweeted by John Buccigross
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rukm01
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Went over to hockeybuzz (you know, just to see where everybody won't be signing) and saw this:
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Wings increase offer to Suter
"As per Helene St. James, the Wings made an offer of $80 million over 13 years to Suter on Sunday, and have since increased the money to $90 million. Their top offer averages to a cap hit of $6.9 million, which would put Suter among the leaders for defensemen. "
-Mark Spizzirri
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I'm a big Suter fan but, if true, man that's one crazy term at those dollars.
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Wings increase offer to Suter
"As per Helene St. James, the Wings made an offer of $80 million over 13 years to Suter on Sunday, and have since increased the money to $90 million. Their top offer averages to a cap hit of $6.9 million, which would put Suter among the leaders for defensemen. "
-Mark Spizzirri
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Ok, so you play hockey, right?
Sure do!
Hmm. And you need a new contract?
That's right.
Who's a good hockey player... oh, Crosby! How much is his contract?
One hundred million dollars, sir.
Are you as good as him?
No sir.
Well, I guess we'll offer you 90 Million then.
I need to think about it.
 中 RED DRAGONS 中| rukm01 wrote on Sun, 01 July 2012 21:54 |
Souray is a Duck is one letter away from being totally accurate.
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nullterm
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My word, the NHL needs a max term of 5 years to save it from itself.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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dkb19
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I would say that a 5 year term limit with maybe an exclusive team option for 2 more (that would count against the cap whether the player is extended for those 2 years or not) will be one of the 3 biggest 'new' points in the upcoming C.B.A. The other 2 being a new formula to set-out the player's shre of the revenue (cap and floor) and the bunk escrow agreement currently in place. The one thing that was fixed IMO last time was free agency. That shouldn't be touched this time.
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HamBlaster
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Honestly, a team should be free to sign a player to whatever contract they want... as long as they can justify it to their ownership group, what's the problem?
I see the NHL moving in a good direction, for the most part. Perhaps we'll see more key franchise players sign long-term deals, keeping them in the same colours for a while. It is risky business though, given some of the injuries we've seen the last few seasons.
Signing the riff-raff to long-term deals is ridiculous though. Is Suter a franchise D-man? Not so sure.
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philly boy
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| nullterm wrote on Tue, 03 July 2012 18:27 |
My word, the NHL needs a max term of 5 years to save it from itself.
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its embarrassing how these GM's do it. by far the worst in pro sports. its damaging the game in so many ways.
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| philly boy wrote on Tue, 03 July 2012 20:39 |
its embarrassing how these GM's do it. by far the worst in pro sports. its damaging the game in so many ways.
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The MLB is also pretty ridiculous. Vernon Wells is making $21 million this year. He's hitting .244 with 6 home runs. A-Rod, Pujols, Zito (he actually has bonuses in his contract for winning the Cy Young or an MVP award, hahaha) all have ridiculous contracts. And there's a ton more out there.
Baseball needs a hard cap badly.
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kungpaobenji27
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| Goose wrote on Tue, 03 July 2012 22:51 |
| philly boy wrote on Tue, 03 July 2012 20:39 |
its embarrassing how these GM's do it. by far the worst in pro sports. its damaging the game in so many ways.
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The MLB is also pretty ridiculous. Vernon Wells is making $21 million this year. He's hitting .244 with 6 home runs. A-Rod, Pujols, Zito (he actually has bonuses in his contract for winning the Cy Young or an MVP award, hahaha) all have ridiculous contracts. And there's a ton more out there.
Baseball needs a hard cap badly.
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The problem with baseball is actually both the players and the owners. There are big market teams like the Red Sox Ownership/Mgt. in support of a hard cap despite being one of the biggest spenders annually. Although there is revenue sharing in the MLB, there's a lot of cheap owners like say in Oakland or Kansas City that would definitely not agree to a salary floor despite wanting to be recipients of money from bigger markets. The NHL is a clear example that you can have the status quo big money contracts pre 04-05 lockout in today's league with revenue sharing/cap/floor if not more as all franchises are forced to spend.
As for Suter, this is a dumb move by Detroit. 90 mil over 13 years is still 7 mil annually as I would suck it up for a year and hope that Shea Weber hits the UFA Market next summer. 13 years for 80 mil at a annual hit of 6 mil is actually more reasonable as I would've never gone above that.
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HamBlaster
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Vernon Wells making $21 million is so freaking laughable. I couldn't trot out onto the field every day, in good conscience, and rip off the fans and the ownership group like that.
There are some serious ethical issues when someone is playing that poor (just cruising), and milking an insanely lucrative contract.
Those batting stats are absolutely terrible.
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hmc
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All of the talk today is Suter and Parise both signing in Minny.
Josh Rimer got a big scoop last night in an interview with Parise, who admitted that him and Suter would love to play together, and have been talking throughout this whole process.
Suter is absolutely a franchise defenseman. The term being bandied about is screwy, but he's worth the yearly cap hit that everyone's talking about.
There's no shame in attacking a criminal's beanbag.
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Adam
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| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 08:34 |
All of the talk today is Suter and Parise both signing in Minny.
Josh Rimer got a big scoop last night in an interview with Parise, who admitted that him and Suter would love to play together, and have been talking throughout this whole process.
Suter is absolutely a franchise defenseman. The term being bandied about is screwy, but he's worth the yearly cap hit that everyone's talking about.
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Neil Sheehy, the agent for Suter, (or rather his people) has tweeted that the Suter decision will come today. No word on if that's a decision on his hockey future or just where they're going for lunch.
Very interesting to see if they do decide to go to the same place. I would imagine they'd need to give some concessions on salary if that were the case, as $7MM+ for both of them represents an awful lot of the cap.
Suter is very good, but is he worth 10% of your cap? I don't really see him as a Pronger-in-2006 type, but maybe I underrate him.
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hmc
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 10:42 |
Neil Sheehy, the agent for Suter, (or rather his people) has tweeted that the Suter decision will come today. No word on if that's a decision on his hockey future or just where they're going for lunch.
Very interesting to see if they do decide to go to the same place. I would imagine they'd need to give some concessions on salary if that were the case, as $7MM+ for both of them represents an awful lot of the cap.
Suter is very good, but is he worth 10% of your cap? I don't really see him as a Pronger-in-2006 type, but maybe I underrate him.
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I think you pretty much have to pay that much for a guy like Suter. He's no Pronger, and there's a handful of guys I'd rank ahead of him, but $7 million under an ever escalating cap seems reasonable for a guy that changes the entire complexion of your team. Having a guy that can handle tough minutes for 30 minutes a night is borderline priceless in this league.
Talking about changing complexions, if they both end up in Minny the NW division sure will get shook up a bit. And other than Yakupov, we've so far done absolutely nothing to get better…unless you count people crossing their fingers that Whitney will all of a sudden have new ankles.
There's no shame in attacking a criminal's beanbag.
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Mike
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| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:09 |
And other than Yakupov, we've so far done absolutely nothing to get better…unless you count people crossing their fingers that Whitney will all of a sudden have new ankles.
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Justin Schultz?
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hmc
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| Mike wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 11:11 |
| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:09 |
And other than Yakupov, we've so far done absolutely nothing to get better…unless you count people crossing their fingers that Whitney will all of a sudden have new ankles.
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Oh yeah. Him too - but that's still us relying on 2 rookies to make us a better team. So far.
There's no shame in attacking a criminal's beanbag.
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Mike
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| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:13 |
| Mike wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 11:11 |
| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:09 |
And other than Yakupov, we've so far done absolutely nothing to get better…unless you count people crossing their fingers that Whitney will all of a sudden have new ankles.
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Justin Schultz?
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Oh yeah. Him too - but that's still us relying on 2 rookies to make us a better team. So far.
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I know. But they're 2 pretty damned good looking rookies though, aren't they?
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hmc
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| Mike wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 11:34 |
| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:13 |
| Mike wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 11:11 |
| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:09 |
And other than Yakupov, we've so far done absolutely nothing to get better…unless you count people crossing their fingers that Whitney will all of a sudden have new ankles.
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Justin Schultz?
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Oh yeah. Him too - but that's still us relying on 2 rookies to make us a better team. So far.
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I know. But they're 2 pretty damned good looking rookies though, aren't they?
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Absolutely, I'm excited to see both of them. But I'm going to move this conversation to a new thread…now.
There's no shame in attacking a criminal's beanbag.
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cableguy
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| Mike wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 09:34 |
| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:13 |
| Mike wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 11:11 |
| hmc wrote on Wed, 04 July 2012 12:09 |
And other than Yakupov, we've so far done absolutely nothing to get better…unless you count people crossing their fingers that Whitney will all of a sudden have new ankles.
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Justin Schultz?
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Oh yeah. Him too - but that's still us relying on 2 rookies to make us a better team. So far.
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I know. But they're 2 pretty damned good looking rookies though, aren't they?
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Ya, its only July 4th. If Tambo still hasn't done anything to make us better by mid September then I'll start to worry.
All I know is that it will suck if Suter and Parise end up in the NW next season If that's the case then I see the Av's, Minny and Vancouver all being better than the Oilers next year and that means no playoffs.
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Team Dean
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Unless Minny hits the jackpot and gets Suter AND Parise, I don't see them being all that great next year either. They traded away almost all their good dmen last year. Admittedly, I haven't been tracking them closely, but that is a team on the sag, not the rise. Unless they've signed some nice UFA's I don't know of?
Heatley and Setoguchi? I don't think so. Zidlicky is gone I think, Tom Gilbert is their best dman now. They look like the 08 Oilers. Thin up front, thin on the back.
The only thing they have going is a nice goalie tandem.
I predict Minny and Calgary are there for the taking, Colorado is a bubble team, and Van is the only sure thing. I'd say we'll be right in the mix with most of those teams. Now, we may not make it in, but I think we'll be a stones throw from the goal.
Edit: And just as I write this, Suter to Minny. Crap.
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