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Suomalainen
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Sucks. that's all i have to say
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Mike
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Wow - 30 seconds to go, one goal lead, faceoff in the Flames end and they still manage to blow it...not cool.
June 25, 2010 - T-Day!
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Ubigo
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Hire MacT.
In all seriousness that tying goal was a high stick. Iginla has no respect from me anymore.
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Babaganoosh
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I thought once the puck crosses the red line on the shootout the play is dead. Why did Jokinen's bank shot count?
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Densetsu
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26308
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The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent’s goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post or crossbar, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line or comes to a complete stop, the shot shall be considered complete.
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Guess the puck only has to be in forward motion while the shooter has the puck. Once it's off his stick, anything goes until the goalie has control or the puck enters the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=529LIoKq9JQ
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Babaganoosh
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The puck was across the goal line before it was shot.
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Densetsu
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| Babaganoosh wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:24 |
The puck was across the goal line before it was shot.
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In this case, does the term "goal line" count as the entire line, or just the portion of the line that's between the posts?
Regardless, it looks like he whipped the puck backwards when he shot it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=529LIoKq9JQ
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Babaganoosh
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| Densetsu wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:28 |
| Babaganoosh wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:24 |
The puck was across the goal line before it was shot.
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In this case, does the term "goal line" count as the entire line, or just the portion of the line that's between the posts?
Regardless, it looks like he whipped the puck backwards when he shot it.
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In my knowledge once the puck crosses the goal line anywhere on the ice the play is dead. Why not allow wrap around's if this is allowed.
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Densetsu
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| Babaganoosh wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:29 |
| Densetsu wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:28 |
| Babaganoosh wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:24 |
The puck was across the goal line before it was shot.
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In this case, does the term "goal line" count as the entire line, or just the portion of the line that's between the posts?
Regardless, it looks like he whipped the puck backwards when he shot it.
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In my knowledge once the puck crosses the goal line anywhere on the ice the play is dead. Why not allow wrap around's if this is allowed.
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The way the net is angled near the post... it's possible to shoot the puck from behind the goal line line, parallel to the goal line, such that it banks off the side of the net, travels back towards the goalie, off his leg, and in.
But really, this is all BS and it should have been reviewed more than the few seconds that they stood around the scorekeeper. Though I doubt the league is going to award us a point after-the-fact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=529LIoKq9JQ
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Babaganoosh
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Not to mention the 10 second's of review that obvious high stick got.
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E-townchamps
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different coach...same team with the same problems
who woulda thunk it??
Fall 4 Hall!
Different coach, worse results....your move now Tambo
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huynh
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| E-townchamps wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:16 |
different coach...same team with the same problems
who woulda thunk it??
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| huynh wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:46 |
| E-townchamps wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:16 |
different coach...same team with the same problems
who woulda thunk it??
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The total lack of aquiring players was a bad thing for the Oilers this past off season was a bad thing. However maybe we can give Quinn 8 years rather than 3 games.
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huynh
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On a side note.... Karma...
Heatley has a hat trick + 1 assist, and is +5 so far tonight.
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skoobz2001
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| huynh wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:55 |
On a side note.... Karma...
Heatley has a hat trick + 1 assist, and is +5 so far tonight.
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How the hell is that "karma"? Learn what words mean before you use them.
Enough about stupid posts though, and on to the game.
Iginla should have been given 5 and a game for the play on 44. I don't think he meant anything malicious, but as someone said, was overly irresponsible and should have been penalized.
I'm nearly at the point of giving up on Hemsky. His act is old - defenders know what he's going to try and that's why it never works.
Horcoff has the most ridiculous contract in the HISTORY of the NHL. He is a nobody making superstar money. The only reason I notice him at all is that I'm watching for him, so I can complain about him. He doesn't make many wrong plays, but he doesn't do ANYTHING EVER to warrant his paycheque.
JDD needs to get the next start, and if he plays well, the one after that. Khabibulin isn't stealing us any games, so what difference does it make if the kid is back there?
The JF Jacques experiment should be over. Thanks for showing up for the preseason, JF, but we're wise to you. You're a 3rd line player at best, and more likely, a first line career AHLer.
We need a trade ASAP for a proven scorer. We don't have a single forward that is enough of a threat that opposing teams would even consider planning for. Our entire forward corps is like the third line of a decent team - underachievers, pluggers, and guys with no finish.
[Updated on: Fri, 09 October 2009 11:44]
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There is no way any team does that as much as the Oilers....
no way.
How do you let that happen against that team? And then for good measure, they don't do a damn thing on the PP in overtime.
What a ridiculous loss.
The play throughout the first two periods was a different team than last year, and the same result follows.
This team will never get it.
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| Ofer wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 21:18 |
There is no way any team does that as much as the Oilers....
no way.
How do you let that happen against that team? And then for good measure, they don't do a damn thing on the PP in overtime.
What a ridiculous loss.
The play throughout the first two periods was a different team than last year, and the same result follows.
This team will never get it.
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Yup. I said after the season opener that Oiler fans endure more heartache than any other fans. This team snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like no other. As soon as the puck entered our zone after Ethan's giveaway, I just knew it would end up in the net.
Khabi played a solid game. I have no idea how one would go about stopping the sacks of excrement that were Calgary's goals (minus Dawes' tip-in, which was skillful). Just bad, bad luck for him.
But despite all the errors leading to the loss, I wish the league had more balls when it came to calling off critical goals. Bourque's stick was at minimum five feet off the ice when he made contact. You just know if that happened at the other end of the ice, and it was Jacques tipping it from the same height, that goal gets called off. Then Jokinen's joke of a penalty shot... I don't think he stickhandled it and pulled it back, but clearly if it hit the side of the net first, the puck at least slid forward and crossed the line. But as a long time Oiler fan, I've grown accustomed to the ref pointing at centre ice after any review of the opponents' goal... it's just too disappointing to expect anything else.
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TJ39
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A disappointing result against the Flames again on home ice.
We're giving away points to this division rival. We waste a PP in OT.
Also, Souray we can't afford to lose our best all around defenceman for an extended period of time.
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oilersfan2
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Yep....I agree....so frustrated, can't even think of anything decent to say. Work is going to suck tomorrow, damn I hate working with Flames fans.
Shoot the puck!!
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Well, the Oilers should be at least 2-0-1 on the season, they're 1-1-1.
I'm not sure what the deal was with Calgary's 1st shootout goal, Khabibulin way too deep in his net and out of position.
Maybe this team will learn to bring a game home, let's hope.
Some real positives in this game but ultimately bad to lose to the douche-bag Flames on some phony goals. I'm friggin choked. Terrible.
There's really no one to point the finger at or one specific play, Calgary quite frankly got lucky in this hockey game.
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V
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Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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V is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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Suck it J$.
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Magnum
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| Magnum P.S. wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 08:32 |
The success of this game will come down to goaltending.
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It did and it didn't work out in our favor. This is another painful loss.
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Magnum
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| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Hemsky and Cogliano are like the 2nd coming of Eric Cole. Hemsky looks lost in an organized system and Cogs has big time blinders on.
I have a feeling that the Eskimo is having a difficult time with Hemsky.
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| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Right, because Hemsky has made a living out of the dump-and-chase. Not to mention Horcoff's relentless puck persuit. Give him some time, he will be better.
On an unrelated note, Dany Heatley had 3G, 1A tonight. Thank God we steered clear of that disaster...
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| GoCrazy18 wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:54 |
| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Right, because Hemsky has made a living out of the dump-and-chase. Not to mention Horcoff's relentless puck persuit. Give him some time, he will be better.
On an unrelated note, Dany Heatley had 3G, 1A tonight. Thank God we steered clear of that disaster...
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you mean thank god Heatley steered clear of OUR disaster
Fall 4 Hall!
Different coach, worse results....your move now Tambo
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V
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| GoCrazy18 wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:54 |
Right, because Hemsky has made a living out of the dump-and-chase. Not to mention Horcoff's relentless puck persuit. Give him some time, he will be better.
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If he doesn't start to simplify his game he won't be better. He's trying too much, and failing with every attempt.
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V is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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Suck it J$.
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| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 23:30 |
| GoCrazy18 wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:54 |
Right, because Hemsky has made a living out of the dump-and-chase. Not to mention Horcoff's relentless puck persuit. Give him some time, he will be better.
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If he doesn't start to simplify his game he won't be better. He's trying too much, and failing with every attempt.
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I was at the game tonight and Hemsky was awful. He was unmotivated and dragging ass all night. Even at a whistle he took forever getting back to the bench and didn't look engaged at all.
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BleedOil
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| Raggamuffin Rascal wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 23:56 |
| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 23:30 |
| GoCrazy18 wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:54 |
Right, because Hemsky has made a living out of the dump-and-chase. Not to mention Horcoff's relentless puck persuit. Give him some time, he will be better.
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If he doesn't start to simplify his game he won't be better. He's trying too much, and failing with every attempt.
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I was at the game tonight and Hemsky was awful. He was unmotivated and dragging ass all night. Even at a whistle he took forever getting back to the bench and didn't look engaged at all.
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Kelly Hrudey's comment from (I think) last year was bang on. Hemsky will be great one day...when he learns to play hockey.
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| BleedOil wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 00:03 |
Kelly Hrudey's comment from (I think) last year was bang on. Hemsky will be great one day...when he learns to play hockey.
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Truer words have not been spoken about the kid. Glimmers of greatness is not greatness.
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Adam
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| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Hemsky's been the only real disappointment for me through the first three games. He's rarely shown any signs of life. People keep complaining about the other guys on that line, but Hemsky's the one that doesn't look like he's going yet. Here's hoping he wakes up soon. We need him to play well most of the time if we're going to make the playoffs.
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vsove
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:02 |
| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Hemsky's been the only real disappointment for me through the first three games. He's rarely shown any signs of life. People keep complaining about the other guys on that line, but Hemsky's the one that doesn't look like he's going yet. Here's hoping he wakes up soon. We need him to play well most of the time if we're going to make the playoffs.
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It'd be nice, some year, to have Hemsky play well for the entire season and not take ten+ games to 'find his stride'.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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oilerinvan
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| vsove wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:10 |
| Adam wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:02 |
| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Hemsky's been the only real disappointment for me through the first three games. He's rarely shown any signs of life. People keep complaining about the other guys on that line, but Hemsky's the one that doesn't look like he's going yet. Here's hoping he wakes up soon. We need him to play well most of the time if we're going to make the playoffs.
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It'd be nice, some year, to have Hemsky play well for the entire season and not take ten+ games to 'find his stride'.
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I think the second worst part about watching Hemsky last night was how bad Bouwmeester owned him. The worst part was watching him play selfishly at the end of thegame trying to score an EN goal, when he could have passed it off or dumped it.
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| oilerinvan wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:34 |
| vsove wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:10 |
| Adam wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:02 |
| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Hemsky's been the only real disappointment for me through the first three games. He's rarely shown any signs of life. People keep complaining about the other guys on that line, but Hemsky's the one that doesn't look like he's going yet. Here's hoping he wakes up soon. We need him to play well most of the time if we're going to make the playoffs.
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It'd be nice, some year, to have Hemsky play well for the entire season and not take ten+ games to 'find his stride'.
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I think the second worst part about watching Hemsky last night was how bad Bouwmeester owned him. The worst part was watching him play selfishly at the end of thegame trying to score an EN goal, when he could have passed it off or dumped it.
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Bouwmeester reminds me a lot of the Human Rake in terms of his positioning and his stick. Guys like Hemsky don't fool him often. He can play the minutes because he's very, very efficient. Impressive that a relatively young D-man has this figured out already.
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Adam
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| vsove wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:10 |
| Adam wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 10:02 |
| V wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:23 |
Other than his goal Hemsky was embarrassing out there. Seriously, how many times is he going to lose the puck in the dman's feet? It's getting ridiculous. If you can't deke a guy out dump it in. It's not that hard.
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Hemsky's been the only real disappointment for me through the first three games. He's rarely shown any signs of life. People keep complaining about the other guys on that line, but Hemsky's the one that doesn't look like he's going yet. Here's hoping he wakes up soon. We need him to play well most of the time if we're going to make the playoffs.
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It'd be nice, some year, to have Hemsky play well for the entire season and not take ten+ games to 'find his stride'.
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I guess he's not the only slow starter. We've been hearing for years about Iginla's slow starts in Calgary...
But damn it's frustrating. Especially in a game like last night, where he's not even looking dangerous at all most of the night.
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 08 October 2009 22:19 |
Well, the Oilers should be at least 2-0-1 on the season, they're 1-1-1.
I'm not sure what the deal was with Calgary's 1st shootout goal, Khabibulin way too deep in his net and out of position.
Maybe this team will learn to bring a game home, let's hope.
Some real positives in this game but ultimately bad to lose to the douche-bag Flames on some phony goals. I'm friggin choked. Terrible.
There's really no one to point the finger at or one specific play, Calgary quite frankly got lucky in this hockey game.
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I hope the hockey gods were watching the last two Oilers/Flames games...if karma has its way, I see bad things down the road for Calgary. You can't possibly be that lucky all the time. EVERY SINGLE BOUNCE is going their way. Have they scored a goal that went directly into the net without hitting something/someone?
I hope their fortunes change, and they are left to battle a devastating injury bug that sees them go on a massive losing streak. **** I hate the Flames!
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Really bad to see Souray go down. I hope it's not serious.
It could have been the copious amounts of penalties, but I think the new system is wearing a few players down. I definitely noticed Stone looking absolutely dead out there near the end of the 2nd. (they are professionals, they should be able to handle it, yada yada yada).
PP looked rough. Hurts right now that our first unit which happens to be under-performing is leading the PP charge, but I'm sure that will be adjusted soon enough.
Anyways, I liked the play of our D tonight - especially Visnovsky.
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Coach Quinn: "We had a chance at an open net (with Kipper pulled) and the guy with the puck dicked around"...
ie. Hemsky...
[Updated on: Thu, 08 October 2009 22:52]
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