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11pm puck drop which will likely be closer to midnight since it's the first game of the season & they'll do all the stupid team intros etc. Gonna be a long day at work tomorrow :/


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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 11:07

11pm puck drop which will likely be closer to midnight since it's the first game of the season & they'll do all the stupid team intros etc. Gonna be a long day at work tomorrow :/


Sounding like a PVR kinda night for me. At least work will be fun tomorrow morning.



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Additional roster moves:
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-Turris recalled from @Condors
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How does Broberg get "loaned" to the Condors? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Also... woooooo! LTIR cap space!!!



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 09:50

How does Broberg get "loaned" to the Condors? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Also... woooooo! LTIR cap space!!!


Of course, we spent that LTIR cap space on Colton Sceviour! The Sceviour has come!



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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 09:55

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 09:50

How does Broberg get "loaned" to the Condors? I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Also... woooooo! LTIR cap space!!!


Of course, we spent that LTIR cap space on Colton Sceviour! The Sceviour has come!

Surprised he only got a 1 year deal.



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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #792807 is a reply to message #792796 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:06

Woke up this morning... showered, got dressed... my pants seemed to resist being put on, likely in fear of being launched across the skies tonight. Step outside... took in a deep breath and muttered ‘she’s musty’.

LFG Oily boys


Just imagine. Puljujarvi goal assisted by Duncan Keith...

Hope you had extra pants handy.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:17

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:06

Woke up this morning... showered, got dressed... my pants seemed to resist being put on, likely in fear of being launched across the skies tonight. Step outside... took in a deep breath and muttered ‘she’s musty’.

LFG Oily boys


Just imagine. Puljujarvi goal assisted by Duncan Keith...

Hope you had extra pants handy.


As pant launching as that scenario would be... a Keith goal assisted by Puljujarvi would leave me bare butt naked. My clothes would just vaporize they would depart my body so quick.



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Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.

Who's this Keith guy in the second pairing? Don't recognize the name



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:37

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.

Who's this Keith guy in the second pairing? Don't recognize the name

He was Cam Barker's roommate back in the day.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:37

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.

Who's this Keith guy in the second pairing? Don't recognize the name


The guy is a flippin’ beauty,
he’ll make y’all squirty.
Future hall of famer;
he’s a real gamer.

He’s Duncan, he’s Keith,
He’ll make you say bon appetite.
Dee kay deuce,
On the backend he’s our moose.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:51

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:37

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 10:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.

Who's this Keith guy in the second pairing? Don't recognize the name


The guy is a flippin’ beauty,
he’ll make y’all squirty.
Future hall of famer;
he’s a real gamer.

He’s Duncan, he’s Keith,
He’ll make you say bon appetite.
Dee kay deuce,
On the backend he’s our moose.


And the bar has been set for post of the year!



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 09:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.


Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.



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Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:02

Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.


Makes you wonder if GM and coach are on the same page.

If you were rank the lines, moving Drai up to the top line probably moves it from a 9.5 to a 10, but your 2nd line goes from a 9 to what, a 7?

The lift to line 1 IMO does not even come close to compensating for the drop off to line 2. Both in terms of balance and matchups for the opposition. No need to worry about what line to focus on.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:02

Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.


Makes you wonder if GM and coach are on the same page.

If you were rank the lines, moving Drai up to the top line probably moves it from a 9.5 to a 10, but your 2nd line goes from a 9 to what, a 7?

The lift to line 1 IMO does not even come close to compensating for the drop off to line 2. Both in terms of balance and matchups for the opposition. No need to worry about what line to focus on.


Tippett got McDavid in his pool this year. Not risking it. He wants 200 McPoints!



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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:02

Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.


Makes you wonder if GM and coach are on the same page.

If you were rank the lines, moving Drai up to the top line probably moves it from a 9.5 to a 10, but your 2nd line goes from a 9 to what, a 7?

The lift to line 1 IMO does not even come close to compensating for the drop off to line 2. Both in terms of balance and matchups for the opposition. No need to worry about what line to focus on.


I know it isn't 5 or 6 games in to the season yet, but I think it's possible that Dave Tippett is beyond his best-before date as a coach. Just ridiculously stubborn, and with virtually no new ideas.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 16:18

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:02

Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.


Makes you wonder if GM and coach are on the same page.

If you were rank the lines, moving Drai up to the top line probably moves it from a 9.5 to a 10, but your 2nd line goes from a 9 to what, a 7?

The lift to line 1 IMO does not even come close to compensating for the drop off to line 2. Both in terms of balance and matchups for the opposition. No need to worry about what line to focus on.


I know it isn't 5 or 6 games in to the season yet, but I think it's possible that Dave Tippett is beyond his best-before date as a coach. Just ridiculously stubborn, and with virtually no new ideas.


I imagine "someone" will come running in here saying the game hasn't been played yet so relax, but IF he's really going to trot out 29-97-13 from game 1, he needs to be turfed. And no - a W against the Canucks won't change my mind.

Don't imagine there is a single person out there, especially Holland, who figured we were signing Hyman to an 8 year deal to be RNH's winger. Love the Nuge, but he just is not an NHL C. He can fill in of course, but not as a fixture there.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 16:18

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:02

Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.


Makes you wonder if GM and coach are on the same page.

If you were rank the lines, moving Drai up to the top line probably moves it from a 9.5 to a 10, but your 2nd line goes from a 9 to what, a 7?

The lift to line 1 IMO does not even come close to compensating for the drop off to line 2. Both in terms of balance and matchups for the opposition. No need to worry about what line to focus on.


I know it isn't 5 or 6 games in to the season yet, but I think it's possible that Dave Tippett is beyond his best-before date as a coach. Just ridiculously stubborn, and with virtually no new ideas.


I imagine "someone" will come running in here saying the game hasn't been played yet so relax, but IF he's really going to trot out 29-97-13 from game 1, he needs to be turfed. And no - a W against the Canucks won't change my mind.

Don't imagine there is a single person out there, especially Holland, who figured we were signing Hyman to an 8 year deal to be RNH's winger. Love the Nuge, but he just is not an NHL C. He can fill in of course, but not as a fixture there.


It looks like I am in the minority but I don't hate 97/29 together with Hyman and RNH on line 2. Add in JP to line one and that is a all in offense line.
RNH isn't a top line C but he is a decent #2 C and is still the best defensively of the top 3 options. RNH is also at his best when he has someone who plays a good forechecking style opening up space for him. With Yamo on the other side it might open up for him to be the trigger man there.
There will rarely be a game where this 1st line is out scored. If the second line has good chemistry and compliment each other they should also be a positive most nights, even if they are given tougher defensive matchups.
This would leave line 3 and 4 only needing to break even and you win more than you lose.

I think this is a move to see if they can still have secondary scoring while having the top line loaded up. If the second line is not able to gel, handle tougher matchups and be a plus contribution I am guessing Drai and Hyman will switch lines sooner than later.
I would be ok with that as well. I like that the team has 6 legit top 6 skaters where this is an option and it will come down to the biggest net positive from whatever combination works out. When the team has 2 or 3 bottom 6 players in the top 6 it was way too big of a handicap to the bottom 9 loading up the top line.

To the bolded part, I think a top paid FA is expected to be a top contributor but for the Oilers I see that as giving them a legit top 6 winger where they didnt have many. This gives them the flexibility to try this combo out and see what clicks. They know 97/29 can score. They know 93/29 works. They need to see if Hyman makes the second line good enough to have two top lines, might as well do that now rather than a panic move in third period of every game where they are down a goal.



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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:43

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 16:18

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:02

Tippett is honestly going to run Drai with McDavid (along with Nurse/Barrie), and then have a vastly inferior 2nd line play with Keith/Ceci all night? The lengths this team goes to to shoot themselves in the face is incredible.


Makes you wonder if GM and coach are on the same page.

If you were rank the lines, moving Drai up to the top line probably moves it from a 9.5 to a 10, but your 2nd line goes from a 9 to what, a 7?

The lift to line 1 IMO does not even come close to compensating for the drop off to line 2. Both in terms of balance and matchups for the opposition. No need to worry about what line to focus on.


I know it isn't 5 or 6 games in to the season yet, but I think it's possible that Dave Tippett is beyond his best-before date as a coach. Just ridiculously stubborn, and with virtually no new ideas.


I imagine "someone" will come running in here saying the game hasn't been played yet so relax, but IF he's really going to trot out 29-97-13 from game 1, he needs to be turfed. And no - a W against the Canucks won't change my mind.

Don't imagine there is a single person out there, especially Holland, who figured we were signing Hyman to an 8 year deal to be RNH's winger. Love the Nuge, but he just is not an NHL C. He can fill in of course, but not as a fixture there.


It looks like I am in the minority but I don't hate 97/29 together with Hyman and RNH on line 2. Add in JP to line one and that is a all in offense line.
RNH isn't a top line C but he is a decent #2 C and is still the best defensively of the top 3 options. RNH is also at his best when he has someone who plays a good forechecking style opening up space for him. With Yamo on the other side it might open up for him to be the trigger man there.
There will rarely be a game where this 1st line is out scored. If the second line has good chemistry and compliment each other they should also be a positive most nights, even if they are given tougher defensive matchups.
This would leave line 3 and 4 only needing to break even and you win more than you lose.

I think this is a move to see if they can still have secondary scoring while having the top line loaded up. If the second line is not able to gel, handle tougher matchups and be a plus contribution I am guessing Drai and Hyman will switch lines sooner than later.
I would be ok with that as well. I like that the team has 6 legit top 6 skaters where this is an option and it will come down to the biggest net positive from whatever combination works out. When the team has 2 or 3 bottom 6 players in the top 6 it was way too big of a handicap to the bottom 9 loading up the top line.

To the bolded part, I think a top paid FA is expected to be a top contributor but for the Oilers I see that as giving them a legit top 6 winger where they didnt have many. This gives them the flexibility to try this combo out and see what clicks. They know 97/29 can score. They know 93/29 works. They need to see if Hyman makes the second line good enough to have two top lines, might as well do that now rather than a panic move in third period of every game where they are down a goal.



I think one thing to remember is that Tippett views the top line as a five-man unit. Barrie and Nurse will be stapled to them, so that second line has to make due with a lot of time with Keith/Ceci and if the couple pre-season looks or the mountain of stats from prior seasons are any indication, that's going to be an adventure.

I don't think the second line is well set-up for success, and I don't think it makes much sense because 97 and 29 will still put up points if they're separated.

It's a weak opponent, and it should be a win tonight no matter what goofy decisions Tippett makes, but I do find this disheartening.



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I think one thing to remember is that Tippett views the top line as a five-man unit. Barrie and Nurse will be stapled to them, so that second line has to make due with a lot of time with Keith/Ceci and if the couple pre-season looks or the mountain of stats from prior seasons are any indication, that's going to be an adventure.

I don't think the second line is well set-up for success, and I don't think it makes much sense because 97 and 29 will still put up points if they're separated.

It's a weak opponent, and it should be a win tonight no matter what goofy decisions Tippett makes, but I do find this disheartening.


Ya, this is the issue for me. It's not just separating McDavid/Drai, it's giving that second pair as much of a chance to be successful as possible, and that is just not helped by Drai being on the 1st line.

As well, we know that McDavid is going to outscore the opposition whether it's Hyman or Drai on his wing. But as Mike mentioned, I don't think that the boost McDavid gets having Drai over Hyman makes up for the drop from Drai to RNH as the 2nd line centre.

And then there's the opposition. As Mike said (he made a lot of good points icon_biggrin ), this makes things way easier for opposing coaches to gameplan against, as you can focus all of your attention to that top line. While you might not be able to totally stop them, you're probably going to be more successful if you can throw your top shutdown D pair and whatever forward group you want to match against them every single time, rather than having to worry about what would be one of the top (if not the best), 2nd line in hockey.

ETA: before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying I think that this will be a disaster. The Oilers will undoubtedly have the top line in hockey and the 2nd line might be fine. But if we get 10 or 20 games in and the 2nd line is being outscored, or even just treading water, Tippet had better be pretty quick to switch things up regardless of how well the top line is playing. Because there's no way the Oilers can play the bulk of the season as a one line team and hope to have success in the playoffs.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:21


I think one thing to remember is that Tippett views the top line as a five-man unit. Barrie and Nurse will be stapled to them, so that second line has to make due with a lot of time with Keith/Ceci and if the couple pre-season looks or the mountain of stats from prior seasons are any indication, that's going to be an adventure.

I don't think the second line is well set-up for success, and I don't think it makes much sense because 97 and 29 will still put up points if they're separated.

It's a weak opponent, and it should be a win tonight no matter what goofy decisions Tippett makes, but I do find this disheartening.


Ya, this is the issue for me. It's not just separating McDavid/Drai, it's giving that second pair as much of a chance to be successful as possible, and that is just not helped by Drai being on the 1st line.

As well, we know that McDavid is going to outscore the opposition whether it's Hyman or Drai on his wing. But as Mike mentioned, I don't think that the boost McDavid gets having Drai over Hyman makes up for the drop from Drai to RNH as the 2nd line centre.

And then there's the opposition. As Mike said (he made a lot of good points icon_biggrin ), this makes things way easier for opposing coaches to gameplan against, as you can focus all of your attention to that top line. While you might not be able to totally stop them, you're probably going to be more successful if you can throw your top shutdown D pair and whatever forward group you want to match against them every single time, rather than having to worry about what would be one of the top (if not the best), 2nd line in hockey.

ETA: before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying I think that this will be a disaster. The Oilers will undoubtedly have the top line in hockey and the 2nd line might be fine. But if we get 10 or 20 games in and the 2nd line is being outscored, or even just treading water, Tippet had better be pretty quick to switch things up regardless of how well the top line is playing. Because there's no way the Oilers can play the bulk of the season as a one line team and hope to have success in the playoffs.


I think this discussion dates back to after the 2017 playoffs when we knew the path to the team being good for certain was McDavid and Drai on their own lines. Then McLellan bails on that in pre-season and we're back to McDrai on a line.

Can't believe this is still happening.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:42

Goose wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:21


I think one thing to remember is that Tippett views the top line as a five-man unit. Barrie and Nurse will be stapled to them, so that second line has to make due with a lot of time with Keith/Ceci and if the couple pre-season looks or the mountain of stats from prior seasons are any indication, that's going to be an adventure.

I don't think the second line is well set-up for success, and I don't think it makes much sense because 97 and 29 will still put up points if they're separated.

It's a weak opponent, and it should be a win tonight no matter what goofy decisions Tippett makes, but I do find this disheartening.


Ya, this is the issue for me. It's not just separating McDavid/Drai, it's giving that second pair as much of a chance to be successful as possible, and that is just not helped by Drai being on the 1st line.

As well, we know that McDavid is going to outscore the opposition whether it's Hyman or Drai on his wing. But as Mike mentioned, I don't think that the boost McDavid gets having Drai over Hyman makes up for the drop from Drai to RNH as the 2nd line centre.

And then there's the opposition. As Mike said (he made a lot of good points icon_biggrin ), this makes things way easier for opposing coaches to gameplan against, as you can focus all of your attention to that top line. While you might not be able to totally stop them, you're probably going to be more successful if you can throw your top shutdown D pair and whatever forward group you want to match against them every single time, rather than having to worry about what would be one of the top (if not the best), 2nd line in hockey.

ETA: before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying I think that this will be a disaster. The Oilers will undoubtedly have the top line in hockey and the 2nd line might be fine. But if we get 10 or 20 games in and the 2nd line is being outscored, or even just treading water, Tippet had better be pretty quick to switch things up regardless of how well the top line is playing. Because there's no way the Oilers can play the bulk of the season as a one line team and hope to have success in the playoffs.


I think this discussion dates back to after the 2017 playoffs when we knew the path to the team being good for certain was McDavid and Drai on their own lines. Then McLellan bails on that in pre-season and we're back to McDrai on a line.

Can't believe this is still happening.


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I am not sure what the numbers said about the 2nd line last year when 97 and 29 were together but I do know their P/60 double when together. That is a pretty substantial increase and if the addition of Hyman to the 2nd line can make them better then it may be a better overall result.
If the 2nd line cannot produce and splitting up the top 2 gives a net gain for the top 6 then it has to be done.

I don't have a hardcore line in the sand type preference for stacking the top 3, I just see it as a more viable strategy now with a deeper list of top 6 capable guys.

One thing I hadn't considered is the "5 man unit" strategy mentioned by Adam. That is a concern if line 2 is getting destroyed being stapled to Ceci/Keith but that also assumes that pairing will be awful. Much like I am avoiding old stat biases I am keeping an open mind on that pairing as well.
I still think Keith can make a heck of an outlet pass and that will go a long way to the 2nd pair being better than last year. I like Larsson and all but passing was not his stregth. The rotation of guys he played with last year also were not good at it.
Getting the puck out of their own end will be the key to 2nd line success, regardless of who is on it.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:42

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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:21


I think one thing to remember is that Tippett views the top line as a five-man unit. Barrie and Nurse will be stapled to them, so that second line has to make due with a lot of time with Keith/Ceci and if the couple pre-season looks or the mountain of stats from prior seasons are any indication, that's going to be an adventure.

I don't think the second line is well set-up for success, and I don't think it makes much sense because 97 and 29 will still put up points if they're separated.

It's a weak opponent, and it should be a win tonight no matter what goofy decisions Tippett makes, but I do find this disheartening.


Ya, this is the issue for me. It's not just separating McDavid/Drai, it's giving that second pair as much of a chance to be successful as possible, and that is just not helped by Drai being on the 1st line.

As well, we know that McDavid is going to outscore the opposition whether it's Hyman or Drai on his wing. But as Mike mentioned, I don't think that the boost McDavid gets having Drai over Hyman makes up for the drop from Drai to RNH as the 2nd line centre.

And then there's the opposition. As Mike said (he made a lot of good points icon_biggrin ), this makes things way easier for opposing coaches to gameplan against, as you can focus all of your attention to that top line. While you might not be able to totally stop them, you're probably going to be more successful if you can throw your top shutdown D pair and whatever forward group you want to match against them every single time, rather than having to worry about what would be one of the top (if not the best), 2nd line in hockey.

ETA: before anyone freaks out, I'm not saying I think that this will be a disaster. The Oilers will undoubtedly have the top line in hockey and the 2nd line might be fine. But if we get 10 or 20 games in and the 2nd line is being outscored, or even just treading water, Tippet had better be pretty quick to switch things up regardless of how well the top line is playing. Because there's no way the Oilers can play the bulk of the season as a one line team and hope to have success in the playoffs.


I think this discussion dates back to after the 2017 playoffs when we knew the path to the team being good for certain was McDavid and Drai on their own lines. Then McLellan bails on that in pre-season and we're back to McDrai on a line.

Can't believe this is still happening.


I am testing out avoiding advanced stats to start this season. I have unfollowed all of the stats accounts on twitter and not reading the Athletic articles focused on them. Mostly because to start the year they are full of if's, and's, maybe and buts. They also seem to be full of confirmation bias. People going in to prove a point as apposed to presenting info.

I am not sure what the numbers said about the 2nd line last year when 97 and 29 were together but I do know their P/60 double when together. That is a pretty substantial increase and if the addition of Hyman to the 2nd line can make them better then it may be a better overall result.
If the 2nd line cannot produce and splitting up the top 2 gives a net gain for the top 6 then it has to be done.

I don't have a hardcore line in the sand type preference for stacking the top 3, I just see it as a more viable strategy now with a deeper list of top 6 capable guys.

One thing I hadn't considered is the "5 man unit" strategy mentioned by Adam. That is a concern if line 2 is getting destroyed being stapled to Ceci/Keith but that also assumes that pairing will be awful. Much like I am avoiding old stat biases I am keeping an open mind on that pairing as well.
I still think Keith can make a heck of an outlet pass and that will go a long way to the 2nd pair being better than last year. I like Larsson and all but passing was not his stregth. The rotation of guys he played with last year also were not good at it.
Getting the puck out of their own end will be the key to 2nd line success, regardless of who is on it.



The individual success for McDrai was spectacular last year for sure. No doubt at some point last year the mindset shifted to trying to get McDavid to blow the doors off any recent single season performance for the last 30 years and Tippett just stuck with McDrai. We paid for that in the playoffs of course, Tippett had zero clue how to do anything with his lineup except play 1 line as much as he could.

For the balance of the team though, just a rough breakdown of how last year went 5v5:

McDavid + Drai = 343 minutes - 33 GF, 17GA (+16 or +1 per 21.4 minutes) - xGF 57.3%
McDavid w/o Drai = 594 minutes - 31 GF, 31 GA (+0) - xGF 56%
Drai w/o McDavid = 567 minutes - 22 GF, 16 GA (+6 or +1 per 94.5 minutes) - xGF 46%
w/o Mcdavid or Drai = 1234 minutes - 29 GF, 52 GA (-23 or -1 per 53.7 minutes) - xGF 42.3%

Guess you can argue that even though with McDrai together, you're doubling your without McDrai time which has been awful time for this team, but the awfulness of that time doesn't cancel out the boost you get from McDrai together. Last season was weird though, because McDavid without Drai was winning their chances battle almost as well as McDavid+Drai, but the Nuge-McDAvid pair just couldn't cash in on chances. In analytics land, a guy would argue that McDavid is doing almost as well with without Drai as with, and the only difference is luck. If you believed that, then you really should put all your energy into figuring out the best line for Drai to center, and you can really focus on eliminating as much of that "without McDavid or Drai" time as possible.

This is all regular season too of course. Really need to keep playoffs in mind this year. 1 line teams just don't win in the playoffs. The whistles go away, teams figure out a strategy over the series to smother 1 line and beat you with matchups down the lineup. It'll just never work out if we don't figure out how to create depth in our attack.

The need to shelter Keith/Ceci as well. Likely will be needed, but hey, maybe miracles do still happen for the Oilers :)



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Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.


Really hope this is a matchup thing, otherwise it doesn't make much sense.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 09:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
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Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
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Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.


Notice how Shore and Koekkoek both don’t make the lineup in the first game of their 2 year deals.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:06

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 09:34

Expected lines for tonight;

Draisaitl-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Hyman-RNH-Yamamoto
Foegele-Ryan-Sceviour
Perlini-McLeod-Turris

Nurse-Barrie
Keith-Ceci
Russell-Bouchard

Smith
Koskinen

Sigh. I really like the Hyman signing, but signing him to be Nuge’s winger? Woof.


Notice how Shore and Koekkoek both don’t make the lineup in the first game of their 2 year deals.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:10


To be faaaair... Shoresy is injured. Tweaked something in the skate yesterday otherwise he would be in over McLeod.

Tipp likes his vets.


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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:20

Booooo, game day Big Mac is now $3 instead of $2.


Inflation just messing up everything!



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:20

Booooo, game day Big Mac is now $3 instead of $2.

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 14:20

Booooo, game day Big Mac is now $3 instead of $2.


Well this makes me more sad than Nuge being at 2C.



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No Cassie for the Oilers game.

I expect it will be Harnarayan and Louie.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 17:22

No Cassie for the Oilers game.

I expect it will be Harnarayan and Louie.


I remember reading somewhere that it’s the same crews as last season;

Regional games is Jack with Louie
National games is Harnarayan with Louie

Tonight being National, we’d get Singh and Debrusk



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