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 Re: Yakupov done with the Oilers? [message #610236 is a reply to message #610226 ]
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Huge no to Luke Schenn. If it wasn't for the fact he was part of a fairly big trade he probably would've been waived by now. He's closer to being done as an NHLer than he is to turning his career around.


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hmc wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 05:43

Huge no to Luke Schenn. If it wasn't for the fact he was part of a fairly big trade he probably would've been waived by now. He's closer to being done as an NHLer than he is to turning his career around.

At 23 years of age? His numbers don't appear to be all that bad considering that he played for some pretty awful Leafs teams and a Flyers team that was on its way down last season. If the Flyers were willing to move him and/or Coburn, never mind both, the Oil should at least be listening, IMO.



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hmc wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 05:43

Huge no to Luke Schenn. If it wasn't for the fact he was part of a fairly big trade he probably would've been waived by now. He's closer to being done as an NHLer than he is to turning his career around.

Agreed! Major no to Luke. He has come nowhere close to the hype that surrounded him, and his play is painful to watch. And people call Smid useless.



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Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 23:16

hmc wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 05:43

Huge no to Luke Schenn. If it wasn't for the fact he was part of a fairly big trade he probably would've been waived by now. He's closer to being done as an NHLer than he is to turning his career around.

Agreed! Major no to Luke. He has come nowhere close to the hype that surrounded him, and his play is painful to watch. And people call Smid useless.


Might b eright, I haven't seen him play since his TO days, and they all stunk back then.

I still like B. Schenn though, big mean streak (tried to kill T. Hall at the Memorial Cup), he's a center, good hands, leader, and young.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 00:22

Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 23:16

hmc wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 05:43

Huge no to Luke Schenn. If it wasn't for the fact he was part of a fairly big trade he probably would've been waived by now. He's closer to being done as an NHLer than he is to turning his career around.

Agreed! Major no to Luke. He has come nowhere close to the hype that surrounded him, and his play is painful to watch. And people call Smid useless.


Might b eright, I haven't seen him play since his TO days, and they all stunk back then.

I still like B. Schenn though, big mean streak (tried to kill T. Hall at the Memorial Cup), he's a center, good hands, leader, and young.


I'd take Brayden is a heart beat. Love his style of play.

As for Luke, my friend is a major Philly fan, and right now he is cursing Holmgren for the JVR trade that brought Luke in.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 23:22

Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 23:16

hmc wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 05:43

Huge no to Luke Schenn. If it wasn't for the fact he was part of a fairly big trade he probably would've been waived by now. He's closer to being done as an NHLer than he is to turning his career around.

Agreed! Major no to Luke. He has come nowhere close to the hype that surrounded him, and his play is painful to watch. And people call Smid useless.


Might b eright, I haven't seen him play since his TO days, and they all stunk back then.

I still like B. Schenn though, big mean streak (tried to kill T. Hall at the Memorial Cup), he's a center, good hands, leader, and young.


Last season:
Schenn 47 games +3 21:51/game
Coburn 33 games -10 22:36/game

Don't watch Flyers enough to scout, but stats wise looks good. Would acknowledge possible Leafs hype bump.

Flyers blogger had positive things to say about him: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/5/9/4284616/luke-schen n-flyers-defense-stats-kimmo-timonen



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nullterm wrote on Tue, 15 October 2013 23:17

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 15 October 2013 22:57

nullterm wrote on Tue, 15 October 2013 20:51

@ALLsportsINTEL: Flyers knocking on lots of doors right now looking for a franchise altering trade some very surprising names may pop up in the next few days

Screw it...

Yakupov
Schultz Sr & Jr

Hartnell
Schenn Bros

3 softies out. 3 not softies in.


Hartnell is injured I believe, plus he's old, on the skid down,

Brayden Schenn (Center)
Simmonds
Cobourn

for

N. Schultz
Yak



I'd rather get Luke Schenn to complete the pair, and he's only 23 vs Coburn at 28.



Simmonds I'd go for.


L. Schenn only 23? Wow! I would never have guessed. In that case I agree with you.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:51

L. Schenn only 23? Wow! I would never have guessed. In that case I agree with you.


Hartnell is 31, but for the record I still want him slightly over Simmonds. Older vet with a legit mean streak that will jump guys for looking at teammates funny who still has game. We need as many on ice examples for the youngers guys to be mentored by.

Then Eakins every-so-often can throw out a line of:

Hartnell-Gordon-Perron
Ference-L.Schenn

... to show the softies on the team how to have a backbone.

Funny enough, 3 Sask boys, 1 AB, 1 QC. None developed by the Oilers.


* Thread note, for the record I'm not in favour of chasing Yak outta town, but (as with anyone) if you get a deal that helps improve the overall team short and long term then you do it. And most of the tweets are bunk to begin with.

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I don't want to trade Yakupov. Period. He's essentially still a rookie, with half an NHL season played.


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FWIW

@ALLsportsINTEL: NHL - Nail Yakupov talks are heating up throughout the league. Source - At least 7 teams have inquired on Nail in the last 24 hours.



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nullterm wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:17

FWIW

@ALLsportsINTEL: NHL - Nail Yakupov talks are heating up throughout the league. Source - At least 7 teams have inquired on Nail in the last 24 hours.

As I said, I like Nail, but if the right package were offered for him, I'd say "Adios" to him in a heartbeat. My loyalty is to the *team*, and if Yak can't and/or won't play within the team, he's of no real use to them as a group. I'd rather see the team win than see one player from the team making highlight reels night after night.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:20

nullterm wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:17

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@ALLsportsINTEL: NHL - Nail Yakupov talks are heating up throughout the league. Source - At least 7 teams have inquired on Nail in the last 24 hours.

As I said, I like Nail, but if the right package were offered for him, I'd say "Adios" to him in a heartbeat. My loyalty is to the *team*, and if Yak can't and/or won't play within the team, he's of no real use to them as a group. I'd rather see the team win than see one player from the team making highlight reels night after night.


53 GAMES. HE'S PLAYED 53 GAMES. If you "like him", why are you so keen on trading him?

Team lead in goals in his rookie year. .65 PPG. (FYI, Stamkos was .58 PPG in his rookie year, and was benched three times. Yak doesn't even have a full season under his belt yet, but with his rough start this year, he's at .58 PPG over the 53 games of his career.)

-4 on a horrendous team.

Has repeatedly said he loves playing here.

Didn't whine about being benched - showed a similar amount of disappointment to ultimate team guy and Canadian hero, Ryan Smyth.

Can we please quit this stuff? What evidence is there that he "can't and/or won't play within the team"??? Why make a KID learning the pro game a pariah??

The rumor Null posted should tell skeptics everything we all know. He's an elite talent, and teams don't seem to see an attitude problem as they're apparently lining up to make offers for him. Message board wonks and WHL-centric xenophobes seem to be looking for reasons to write him off, and it's embarrassing.



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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

53 GAMES. HE'S PLAYED 53 GAMES. If you "like him", why are you so keen on trading him?

I'm not keen on seeing the team trade ANY of its young guns. I just realize that if the Oil are going to make a deal for a bonafide goaltender, it is likely going to cost them one of them. Notice that I added the qualifier "if" when I said that Yak would be useless to the team *if* he couldn't or wouldn't play within the team.

Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

Team lead in goals in his rookie year. .65 PPG. (FYI, Stamkos was .58 PPG in his rookie year, and was benched three times. Yak doesn't even have a full season under his belt yet, but with his rough start this year, he's at .58 PPG over the 53 games of his career.)

I know Yak is a kid. That doesn't necessarily mean that his career path will follow that of one of the NHL's premier scoring forwards over the past 5 years. I can live with seeing potential go in exchange for help for a team that shouldn't still be "rebuilding" at this point.

Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

-4 on a horrendous team.

He never got the ice time that guys like Ebs, Hallsy, or Nuge did, or that number would likely be lower.

Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

Has repeatedly said he loves playing here.

He also said that he wants to play his game regardless of what the team needed. The coach benched him to show him that he is in fact not above the rest of the team.

Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

Didn't whine about being benched - showed a similar amount of disappointment to ultimate team guy and Canadian hero, Ryan Smyth.

Maybe he just knew that his mouth got him into enough trouble with the coach and smartened up.

Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

Can we please quit this stuff? What evidence is there that he "can't and/or won't play within the team"??? Why make a KID learning the pro game a pariah??

I never once said that he was a problem player. I just said that if the right deal came along, I could live with seeing Yak traded away. Right now, I see him as the most expendable of the young guns, and this will only be reinforced unless he consistently demonstrates that he is willing to be a team player and not be what he himself said that got him benched.

Skoobz wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:04

The rumor Null posted should tell skeptics everything we all know. He's an elite talent, and teams don't seem to see an attitude problem as they're apparently lining up to make offers for him. Message board wonks and WHL-centric xenophobes seem to be looking for reasons to write him off, and it's embarrassing.

Obviously other teams want to play up the "feud" between Yak and the team in order to devalue him should the Oil actually try to include him in any deals. That's why I don't want to see him go for anything less than a blockbuster package that would *immediately* provide the team with the tools needed to contend for a Cup.



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Did a twitter search and results kinna funny...

@MontysAmendment: My apologies wrong rumor. Actually is the Flyers-Oilers. Hemskey & Yakupov for Simmonds, Couturier, Coburn, Meszaros and Laughton

@Blackhawk_Up: Rumor has it Nail Yakupov is heading to New Jersey with Cory Potter, Linus Omark, and a 2015 2nd round pick. #massive

@FansidedNHL: Trade Rumors: Nail Yakupov Close To Becoming A Chicago Blackhawk?: Yakupov has only played 53 game... http://t.co/iPEh7LqcLw #Hawks #NHL

@adamrap97: @albertahippy420 @Eklund never in a million years would Toronto give up Reimer and gardiner for yakupov.

I like how the Hawks guy says a Devils, then the next guy says Hawks.



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nullterm wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:05

Did a twitter search and results kinna funny...

@MontysAmendment: My apologies wrong rumor. Actually is the Flyers-Oilers. Hemskey & Yakupov for Simmonds, Couturier, Coburn, Meszaros and Laughton

@Blackhawk_Up: Rumor has it Nail Yakupov is heading to New Jersey with Cory Potter, Linus Omark, and a 2015 2nd round pick. #massive

@FansidedNHL: Trade Rumors: Nail Yakupov Close To Becoming A Chicago Blackhawk?: Yakupov has only played 53 game... http://t.co/iPEh7LqcLw #Hawks #NHL

@adamrap97: @albertahippy420 @Eklund never in a million years would Toronto give up Reimer and gardiner for yakupov.

I like how the Hawks guy says a Devils, then the next guy says Hawks.


HaHa!! This is great entertaiment!

With regards to the Hawks and Yak, nothing there they'd give up worth it. Unless its both Seabrook and D. Kieth :)



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:20

nullterm wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:17

FWIW

@ALLsportsINTEL: NHL - Nail Yakupov talks are heating up throughout the league. Source - At least 7 teams have inquired on Nail in the last 24 hours.

As I said, I like Nail, but if the right package were offered for him, I'd say "Adios" to him in a heartbeat. My loyalty is to the *team*, and if Yak can't and/or won't play within the team, he's of no real use to them as a group. I'd rather see the team win than see one player from the team making highlight reels night after night.


Guy is barely out of his teens...that package better be incredible or the Oilers look foolish in a couple years time. I'm guessing most of the proposed deals look more like the Joe Thornton package than the Eric Lindros package.

Teams are circling because they think we're idiots and they're going to be happy to take advantage of us. They've probably watched the first three seasons of Oil Change, so they know what they're getting in to.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:06


Teams are circling because they think we're idiots and they're going to be happy to take advantage of us.


I'm kind of scared they might be right. This has all the makings of management doing something stupid to try to save their skin and being a move we regret for the next 15 years.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:24

Adam wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:06


Teams are circling because they think we're idiots and they're going to be happy to take advantage of us.


I'm kind of scared they might be right. This has all the makings of management doing something stupid to try to save their skin and being a move we regret for the next 15 years.


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This thread gets an award for Most Terrible Trade Proposals in a single thread.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:24

Adam wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:06


Teams are circling because they think we're idiots and they're going to be happy to take advantage of us.


I'm kind of scared they might be right. This has all the makings of management doing something stupid to try to save their skin and being a move we regret for the next 15 years.


You never trade your assets at the bottom of the market, hope they don't make a Snider-like panic move,the Oil problems have been they have been at a bottom of the market for too many years, can't make a full value deal for their good assets (like Hemmer), which turns into a Catch-22,... can't win, can't raise asset values, can't trade, ... can't win .. and around we go...

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Adam wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 22:06

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:20

nullterm wrote on Wed, 16 October 2013 21:17

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@ALLsportsINTEL: NHL - Nail Yakupov talks are heating up throughout the league. Source - At least 7 teams have inquired on Nail in the last 24 hours.

As I said, I like Nail, but if the right package were offered for him, I'd say "Adios" to him in a heartbeat. My loyalty is to the *team*, and if Yak can't and/or won't play within the team, he's of no real use to them as a group. I'd rather see the team win than see one player from the team making highlight reels night after night.


Guy is barely out of his teens...that package better be incredible or the Oilers look foolish in a couple years time. I'm guessing most of the proposed deals look more like the Joe Thornton package than the Eric Lindros package.

Teams are circling because they think we're idiots and they're going to be happy to take advantage of us. They've probably watched the first three seasons of Oil Change, so they know what they're getting in to.

Oh that ship has long since sailed.



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I'd do Yak, Gagner and Smid for Couterier, Simmonds, Leighton and Coburn.

*Instant testicular fortitude*

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Oilerman53 wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 21:06

I'd do Yak, Gagner and Smid for Couterier, Simmonds, Leighton and Coburn.


So would the Flyers.



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Oilerman53 wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 18:06

I'd do Yak, Gagner and Smid for Couterier, Simmonds, Leighton and Coburn.

*Instant testicular fortitude*



Sorry man, Couterier? Had a good rookie playoff, now? ..nothing special, plays soft.
Only guy worth taking is Simmonds.



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Oilerman53 wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 22:06

I'd do Yak, Gagner and Smid for Couterier, Simmonds, Leighton and Coburn.

*Instant testicular fortitude*


Really? I don't do Yak alone for that package.



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Oilerman53 wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 19:06

I'd do Yak, Gagner and Smid for Couterier, Simmonds, Leighton and Coburn.

*Instant testicular fortitude*

Get rid of Couterier and Leighton, cause they do nothing for us. Especially Leighton. Add Brayden Schenn and it's a starting point.



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Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 20:20

Oilerman53 wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 19:06

I'd do Yak, Gagner and Smid for Couterier, Simmonds, Leighton and Coburn.

*Instant testicular fortitude*

Get rid of Couterier and Leighton, cause they do nothing for us. Especially Leighton. Add Brayden Schenn and it's a starting point.


Leighton plays in the KHL so thats a no go. And the trade itself doesnt really shore up any of the major issues, or makes the oilers even a playoff team.



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Who knows what this guy can really fetch us? Despite his amazing skills and the fact that he was drafted #1 overall, he's been a nightmare for us this season and his attitude blows. I'm positive he's worth something decent, but I'm not so sure he'll be able to fetch us a top line player straight up.

Yakupov, + for P.K. Subban?

Yak can settle in nicely with Galchenyuk. The Habs will then turn completely uncoachable.



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Trade Gagner for Hesmky and you get Simmonds, Hartnell, Coburn for Yak and Hemmer.


After 8 years of ineptitude you begin to wonder whose the real schmuck? Them for sucking or me for cheering....... *cracks open bottle of whiskey*.

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Hallsy wrote on Thu, 17 October 2013 20:37

Who knows what this guy can really fetch us? Despite his amazing skills and the fact that he was drafted #1 overall, he's been a nightmare for us this season and his attitude blows.


More senseless drivel. Back up your comment about his attitude, NOT using a carefully selected portion of a quote made in broken English by a kid who's frustrated with his own lack of success at the one thing he's EVER been asked to do - score goals - and is simultaneously being asked to learn a new (seemingly disastrous) team strategy AND modify his game to meet his coach's expectations.

The nightmare is the entire team, not one player.

The other nightmare is shortsighted fans who are happy to exist as caprophages of MSM doomsayer excrement.



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The longer this losing streak goes, the more likely MacT makes a stupid reactionary trade I feel.



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Oilers aren't trading Yakupov.

His value is at an all-time low with his current play.

No it's not Yakupov's linemates or the system.
It's Yakupov.

Pretty certain everyone has seen this.

http://nhl.si.com/2013/10/16/russian-olympic-scout-edmonton- oilers-nail-yakupov-has-no-future/

Igor Kravchuk - Olympic Team Russia's NHL Scout

Quote:

“He has to make [up] his mind,” Kravchuk said this morning on Team 1200 radio in Ottawa. “If he’s not going to change his game, then he has no future.”

“Obviously, from what I see, his team game is really, really poor. He tries to do a lot of things by himself and he has absolutely no defense and that’s what really concerns [me] as a scout. But if he’s going to listen to what the coach says, if he’s going to change his game, then he’s got a future.”


Pretty much sums it up.
Likely 29 other teams [in addition to the Oilers] that see it this way.
Yakupov was likely more valuable before he started playing this season, and it would be foolish for the Oilers to trade him at a low [assuming of course he can turn it around].

Also -- while English is a second language it is a fair statement that Yakupov appears to have an attitude problem particularly when you consider Yakupov's comments are supported by his actions of refusing to play a team game or defense [actions speak louder than words and his actions are strongly indicative of an attitude problem].

He's young. The Oilers are slumping. Both of them will get over it. ie. Yakupov showed a significant improvement in the team game last night against the islanders, although he was lost defensively.

Edit -- Actually it is a gift to the Oilers that Kravchuk was so blunt.
Blows away any and all of the bulls..t arguments Yakupov may have about the Oilers, the Oilers system, and Yakupov playing to his strengths.
Yakupov doesn't have to believe the Oilers or Eakins or the Oilers leadership or other players all of whom are likely giving him constructive criticism.
Kravchuk has no horse in the game, has credibility and Yakupov has to take into account what Kravchuk says [all by virture of him being Team Russia's NHL Scout] but doesn't have to worry about preserving a long term relationship with Yakupov or dealing with him on a day to day basis.

Thank you Mr. Kravchuk.

[Updated on: Fri, 18 October 2013 09:20]


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Just thinking about this a little more. I still don't put much stock in to it - after all, Yakupov has two more years left on his deal, so even if he's unhappy now, there's a long time left to change his mind.

That said, I can't think of another team that has so many people either leaving upset at the team or flat-out ecstatic to move on to somewhere else.

I think it reflects very poorly on Lowe et al how many times this has happened. I know that Oilers management would like people to think it's the northern climes that push people away, but I think that's only a tiny portion of the equation.

If this ever does turn out to be true, whether because the report now had grains of truth, or because they piss off and alienate another star player, maybe, just maybe that should be the last nail in the coffin of Lowe's career. It won't be. The franchise would use all their connections with the Edmonton media to paint him as a lazy, disinterested foreigner who never really got what it meant to be an Oiler, and a large segment of the population would eat that up, happy to brand him a traitor to the team and joyfully accept the deal for a 2nd pairing defenceman, a third line forward and a fourth line forward.



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Oh so true Adam.


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@CraigCustance: Igor Larionov says he's got a trip planned to Edmonton to discuss how Nail Yakupov is being used.

This whole thing is getting ugly.



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Hemmer2Eberle wrote on Mon, 11 November 2013 18:48

@CraigCustance: Igor Larionov says he's got a trip planned to Edmonton to discuss how Nail Yakupov is being used.

This whole thing is getting ugly.


This time next week, Igor Larionov should be coaching the Oilers PP . Eakins clearly has no idea how to do it. icon_biggrin



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Unless he's coming over to coach Yak to stop being a liability he wasted his money on airfare.


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Have to love the timing too. Just days after Arnott announces his retirement.


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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/11/report-yakupov s-agent-to-meet-with-edmonton-brass/

I just don't see Yaks being here by year end. I don't think Eakins will allow an agent to tell him how to run his lines, nor do I think he should.



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I think we need to treat Nail Yakupov like a rookie. Because, essentially that's what he is. While it might technically be his second season, he's played less than what most rookies play in their first season. And beyond that, he's just a young player with growing pains.

I have a problem with them using Yakupov with Gazdic and Acton. I have much less of a problem with them using him with Arcobello and Smyth. If the coaching staff feels it is best to give him some soft minutes right now as he irons out some wrinkles in his game, so be it. It's not unheard of... just the other day they were talking about how Stamkos was often a healthy scratch his first year. The key though it to still try and get him some ice time - specifically on the powerplay. If there isn't much time on the PP, you try and work him into some shift on the Top-2 lines now and then.

What we are really looking for is to give him opportunities to succeed and to grow. There's different approaches to that, but ultimately it's not going to come sitting in the press box, on the bench, or playing with a couple pluggers.

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Nail Yakupov’s agent Igor Larionov open to a trade from Edmonton Oilers: “We’re willing to make a move. Any team.”

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/11/nail-yakupovs-ag ent-open-to-a-trade-from-edmonton-oilers-were-willing-to-mak e-a-move-any-team/

Oh FFS. icon_dead



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