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My 3 Stars:

1. Stu

2. Kulak

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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:39

My 3 Stars:

1. Stu

2. Kulak

3. Drai



SKINNER for sure... he looks like the real deal. god



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:39

My 3 Stars:

1. Stu

2. Kulak

3. Drai


Kulak played well but rarely great.
In a contrast to your posts on Nurse, what did you see from Kulak that made you hold him in such esteem for this game?



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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:51

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:39

My 3 Stars:

1. Stu

2. Kulak

3. Drai



In a contrast to your posts on Nurse, what did you see from Kulak that made you hold him in such esteem for this game?

He didn’t play for the Soo?



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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:51

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:39

My 3 Stars:

1. Stu

2. Kulak

3. Drai


Kulak played well but rarely great.
In a contrast to your posts on Nurse, what did you see from Kulak that made you hold him in such esteem for this game?


I saw Murray have a good shift in the 3rd but didn't even really notice Kulak. I guess if you are D, thats good.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:57

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:51

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:39

My 3 Stars:

1. Stu

2. Kulak

3. Drai


Kulak played well but rarely great.
In a contrast to your posts on Nurse, what did you see from Kulak that made you hold him in such esteem for this game?


I saw Murray have a good shift in the 3rd but didn't even really notice Kulak. I guess if you are D, thats good.


For sure. I definitely wasn't criticizing Kulak. Tonight might have been his best game of the year. For most of the oilers D it is a good thing if we don't notice them much.

My question was intended for people that think Nurse isn't good in general, or wasn't tonight. What do they see from other defenceman that gets them a "good" check mark?



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Steady presence, who relieved pressure MANY times, not through middle but used those things Nurse don't know what they are called. Boards.


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 02:54

Steady presence, who relieved pressure MANY times, not through middle but used those things Nurse don't know what they are called. Boards.


Fair assessment. When Kulak is on he is exactly as you described. I always like a calm defencemen.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:40

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Heck of game. Seemed calm and tracked the puck well on regular shots. Reacted quick and made some outstanding saves on the top chances.



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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 23:49

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:40

#IBelieveInStu


Heck of game. Seemed calm and tracked the puck well on regular shots. Reacted quick and made some outstanding saves on the top chances.


Skinner looked about as confident and competent as any Oilers goalie has the last several years. Great position and spectacular reflexes. He inspires confidence back there.

I thought Nurse was a stud tonight. Good pinches, good gap control. And such a great skater. As I’ve said many times - I can’t imagine I’ll ever see his cap hit as a bargain, but if he minimizes mistakes and give us games like tonight more often than not, all of a sudden his contract is not THAT bad.



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I have a good feeling about this road swing.


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g2k wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:46

I have a good feeling about this road swing.

'Hawks are 4-2. Lets not sleepwalk into that one.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:47

g2k wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:46

I have a good feeling about this road swing.


'Hawks are 4-2. Lets not sleepwalk into that one.


OIL are gonna be tired...
icon_nod



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watchman wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 21:06

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:47

g2k wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:46

I have a good feeling about this road swing.


'Hawks are 4-2. Lets not sleepwalk into that one.


OIL are gonna be tired...
icon_nod


Drai's 4 1/2 minute shift was nuts. They'll have to play the bottom 5 a bunch more than usual against the Hawks. Will anyone step up?




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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:47

g2k wrote on Wed, 26 October 2022 20:46

I have a good feeling about this road swing.

'Hawks are 4-2. Lets not sleepwalk into that one.

I guess that’s what I’m feeling. I’m feeling there is buy in.




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Enjoyed that game, the Blues are a sound team overall, so being able to take care of them after the previous snoozefest was nice to see.


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Hell of a road game.

Skinner without a doubt the 1st star. Amazing hockey game, just great to see an Edmonton goaltender dialled in positionally, eff all for rebounds. Hell of a game.

In this game early as a team, JP gets involved with a goal.

Nuge with I think his 2nd gwg of the young year. I actually heard Jason Gregor utter the words "Nuge is not a top 6 forward" prior to last game. It doesn't matter...but it was a bad take. He's playing well, which is expected but it's usually later in the season when he gets going. Could be a very good year from RNH if he stays healthy. Otherwise, Hyman doing Hyman. The trio on that line accounted for half to Oilers' shots and Connor gets a point but importantly he has 2 wingers right now not named Leon and Evander that are at the required level. Curious that Connor isn't taking draws, Nuge with a decent night there.

The Oilers (Nuge elevated) hugely benefit from McLeod in the circle of trust at 3C..... he and someone (Bouchard?) combined on a dangerous turnover against but bailed out by Skinner in the 3rd. Otherwise, I've gotta say that the bottom 5 hasn't been too shabby for the most part with the 11/7 dressed.

Kulak with a pretty strong game once again after a couple stinkers earlier on. Nurse taking a Nurse penalty but the kill was good at an important time, specifically Skinner. The Oilers seem to be getting things done 5v5, don't know if that bears out statistically but they're scoring and I don't think they're getting a ton of calls or scoring a lot of PP goals.



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Big win! It's early but looks like the Oilers might have themselves 2 viable options for goaltenders. If the 2 of them can give the Oilers decent goaltending every night, they will do well.

It was nice to see JP get his first. Hopefully that helps him not grip the stick as hard. Next up Yamo and Foegele. Foegele must have done something bad recently to piss the gods off because I can't believe Binnington got a piece of Foegele's shot.

I know it's not "top 6" but I think JP with Foegele and McLeod has the makings of a damn good line that could really do some damage especially if they end up getting match ups against other teams 3rd lines.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 08:35

Big win! It's early but looks like the Oilers might have themselves 2 viable options for goaltenders. If the 2 of them can give the Oilers decent goaltending every night, they will do well.

It was nice to see JP get his first. Hopefully that helps him not grip the stick as hard. Next up Yamo and Foegele. Foegele must have done something bad recently to piss the gods off because I can't believe Binnington got a piece of Foegele's shot.

I know it's not "top 6" but I think JP with Foegele and McLeod has the makings of a damn good line that could really do some damage especially if they end up getting match ups against other teams 3rd lines.


I agree with you. If that third line continues to gel and play well it will become a matchup nightmare for other teams. They will never be a McDavid/Drai level threat but having a third line that is a threat becomes a huge issue for the other team.
Also should allow the Oilers to ease the minutes played pressure on the top 2



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It’s early, but it would have been nice for the Oilers to play Skinner more last year so we knew what we had.


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I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:12

I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.



At this point it is hard to disagree with how they handled everything, especially considering how they had to manage Koski and Smith last year, but it was such a weird way for Skinner to finish his NHL season. Pitches a shut out and never sees the NHL again until the start of this season.

If they had the balls to run Skinner for a bit to see if he was legitimate and send Koskinen to Bakersfield, do they have the same player we see today? Do the Oilers go on their playoff run? do they sign Campbell to 5 years? Lots of alternate universe scenarios I would have loved to see play out....or not. confused2

Right now I really like what we have between the pipes, and if both are playing like this moving forward then it is a great problem to have.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:12

I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.



At this point it is hard to disagree with how they handled everything, especially considering how they had to manage Koski and Smith last year, but it was such a weird way for Skinner to finish his NHL season. Pitches a shut out and never sees the NHL again until the start of this season.

If they had the balls to run Skinner for a bit to see if he was legitimate and send Koskinen to Bakersfield, do they have the same player we see today? Do the Oilers go on their playoff run? do they sign Campbell to 5 years? Lots of alternate universe scenarios I would have loved to see play out....or not. confused2

Right now I really like what we have between the pipes, and if both are playing like this moving forward then it is a great problem to have.

Just my opinion but I don't see how they could play him very many more games last year when you have 2 signed goalies in Koskinen and Smith. It's got nothing to do with not having the balls to send Koskinen down, I just don't think they should have done that. Even if they did play Skinner a few more games, the Oilers are supposed to be a cup contending team and turning the starters job over to a 23 yr old with next to no NHL experience in my opinion would have been a mistake. Plus you add in he's a local guy, there are going to be added pressures with playing for the hometown team especially as a goalie. So I think they needed to sign a Campbell or someone else capable of taking the lead. The league, especially the West has turned into a 2 goalie system in my opinion. So having a guy like Campbell who's capable of playing 50-55 good games then have Skinner get into 30ish which would allow him to play a fair amount but not quite be prime time is perfect.

Plus at 5 mill, the contract isn't so much that you can have Skinner, at some point sign him to a decent number for a back up , like 2-2.5 mill per, and if you are paying your tandem 7-7.5 mill, even 8, that isn't that bad. If Skinner in a few years supplants Campbell, teams always need goaltending and 5 mill isn't a horrible number to trade.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 12:24

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:12

I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.



At this point it is hard to disagree with how they handled everything, especially considering how they had to manage Koski and Smith last year, but it was such a weird way for Skinner to finish his NHL season. Pitches a shut out and never sees the NHL again until the start of this season.

If they had the balls to run Skinner for a bit to see if he was legitimate and send Koskinen to Bakersfield, do they have the same player we see today? Do the Oilers go on their playoff run? do they sign Campbell to 5 years? Lots of alternate universe scenarios I would have loved to see play out....or not. confused2


Right now I really like what we have between the pipes, and if both are playing like this moving forward then it is a great problem to have.

Just my opinion but I don't see how they could play him very many more games last year when you have 2 signed goalies in Koskinen and Smith. It's got nothing to do with not having the balls to send Koskinen down, I just don't think they should have done that. Even if they did play Skinner a few more games, the Oilers are supposed to be a cup contending team and turning the starters job over to a 23 yr old with next to no NHL experience in my opinion would have been a mistake. Plus you add in he's a local guy, there are going to be added pressures with playing for the hometown team especially as a goalie. So I think they needed to sign a Campbell or someone else capable of taking the lead. The league, especially the West has turned into a 2 goalie system in my opinion. So having a guy like Campbell who's capable of playing 50-55 good games then have Skinner get into 30ish which would allow him to play a fair amount but not quite be prime time is perfect.

Plus at 5 mill, the contract isn't so much that you can have Skinner, at some point sign him to a decent number for a back up , like 2-2.5 mill per, and if you are paying your tandem 7-7.5 mill, even 8, that isn't that bad. If Skinner in a few years supplants Campbell, teams always need goaltending and 5 mill isn't a horrible number to trade.


It would be great if we had a great sense that we had a firm starter in Skinner, but while he's had some good games, he hasn't made it crystal clear that he's a bonafide NHL starter yet. Even this year, he had a great game in relief of Campbell versus Calgary, then he wasn't great against Buffalo, and then a great game last night. It's a bit uneven so far.

Whatever the case, we need two goalies, and it would be a tremendous risk by the franchise to take a rookie goalie as their starter, or even a sophomore if he'd had a few more starts last year. Ideally, he plays a third of the games this year and contends for the all-rookie team.

As much of a failure as Oilers management has been historically, I can't pillory them over signing another goalie this summer. It is a good problem to have if Skinner pushes Campbell for the top job.



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It's more of the all-in bet on Campbell that I still think is a big risk. As inexperienced as Skinner is, Campbell only has one season with more than half the games played. That earned him a 5x5 deal in the offseason goalie market + the Ken Holland effect. I still worry about that deal turning into more expensive longer Mikko Koskinen deal

If we knew Skinner would be a viable 1A/B by the end of last year, perhaps we wouldn't have to go as all in on the second goalie.




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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 16:09

It's more of the all-in bet on Campbell that I still think is a big risk. As inexperienced as Skinner is, Campbell only has one season with more than half the games played. That earned him a 5x5 deal in the offseason goalie market + the Ken Holland effect. I still worry about that deal turning into more expensive longer Mikko Koskinen deal

If we knew Skinner would be a viable 1A/B by the end of last year, perhaps we wouldn't have to go as all in on the second goalie.




I wanted to see more of Skinner last year, but I'm fine with the tandem we have now. IMO, Campbell's contract >>>> Koskinen. I don't think Campbell will ever be a Vezina finalist, but I think (hope) he will be solid for the length of his deal. And if all goes well, Skinner should be getting a raise and short bridge deal at the end of this year, and then start challenging for the starter's job in a couple of years.

This to me is the best tandem we've had in forever, and at only $5.75M, I think it's pretty good value.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 13:45

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 16:09

It's more of the all-in bet on Campbell that I still think is a big risk. As inexperienced as Skinner is, Campbell only has one season with more than half the games played. That earned him a 5x5 deal in the offseason goalie market + the Ken Holland effect. I still worry about that deal turning into more expensive longer Mikko Koskinen deal

If we knew Skinner would be a viable 1A/B by the end of last year, perhaps we wouldn't have to go as all in on the second goalie.




I wanted to see more of Skinner last year, but I'm fine with the tandem we have now. IMO, Campbell's contract >>>> Koskinen. I don't think Campbell will ever be a Vezina finalist, but I think (hope) he will be solid for the length of his deal. And if all goes well, Skinner should be getting a raise and short bridge deal at the end of this year, and then start challenging for the starter's job in a couple of years.

This to me is the best tandem we've had in forever, and at only $5.75M, I think it's pretty good value.


Campbell playing some of the worst hockey of his career so far for us. He hasn't even touched a point where the load of being #1 would be a factor. He will bounce back I bet and it's looking like we could have a very solid pair of goalies.

Wanted to see Skinner more last year too, but I don't think there was any situation where we could have comfortably come into this year thinking Skinner is a 50-60+ game guy for us. That would have been a disaster.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:21

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 16:09

It's more of the all-in bet on Campbell that I still think is a big risk. As inexperienced as Skinner is, Campbell only has one season with more than half the games played. That earned him a 5x5 deal in the offseason goalie market + the Ken Holland effect. I still worry about that deal turning into more expensive longer Mikko Koskinen deal

If we knew Skinner would be a viable 1A/B by the end of last year, perhaps we wouldn't have to go as all in on the second goalie.




I wanted to see more of Skinner last year, but I'm fine with the tandem we have now. IMO, Campbell's contract >>>> Koskinen. I don't think Campbell will ever be a Vezina finalist, but I think (hope) he will be solid for the length of his deal. And if all goes well, Skinner should be getting a raise and short bridge deal at the end of this year, and then start challenging for the starter's job in a couple of years.

This to me is the best tandem we've had in forever, and at only $5.75M, I think it's pretty good value.


Campbell playing some of the worst hockey of his career so far for us. He hasn't even touched a point where the load of being #1 would be a factor. He will bounce back I bet and it's looking like we could have a very solid pair of goalies.

Wanted to see Skinner more last year too, but I don't think there was any situation where we could have comfortably come into this year thinking Skinner is a 50-60+ game guy for us. That would have been a disaster.

If you take out the short start for Calgary where the whole team was brutal, he was:
.917 - Van
.900 - Car
.952 - STL
.914 - Pitt
The Calgary game was .636.

That would be a .920 if you take the average of all 4 of those games. That's pretty good isn't it?



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:21

Mike wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 13:45

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 16:09

It's more of the all-in bet on Campbell that I still think is a big risk. As inexperienced as Skinner is, Campbell only has one season with more than half the games played. That earned him a 5x5 deal in the offseason goalie market + the Ken Holland effect. I still worry about that deal turning into more expensive longer Mikko Koskinen deal

If we knew Skinner would be a viable 1A/B by the end of last year, perhaps we wouldn't have to go as all in on the second goalie.




I wanted to see more of Skinner last year, but I'm fine with the tandem we have now. IMO, Campbell's contract >>>> Koskinen. I don't think Campbell will ever be a Vezina finalist, but I think (hope) he will be solid for the length of his deal. And if all goes well, Skinner should be getting a raise and short bridge deal at the end of this year, and then start challenging for the starter's job in a couple of years.

This to me is the best tandem we've had in forever, and at only $5.75M, I think it's pretty good value.


Campbell playing some of the worst hockey of his career so far for us. He hasn't even touched a point where the load of being #1 would be a factor. He will bounce back I bet and it's looking like we could have a very solid pair of goalies.

Wanted to see Skinner more last year too, but I don't think there was any situation where we could have comfortably come into this year thinking Skinner is a 50-60+ game guy for us. That would have been a disaster.

If you take out the short start for Calgary where the whole team was brutal, he was:
.917 - Van
.900 - Car
.952 - STL
.914 - Pitt
The Calgary game was .636.

That would be a .920 if you take the average of all 4 of those games. That's pretty good isn't it?


Probably true, he's already come back quite a bit. Those first few games he had rough starts and needed a period or so to get it together, along with the team. One of those games he didn't get the chance to.

Think lots of ppl are still framing him by those first games where the entire team was trash. And now Skinner having good games carries on a narrative that we shouldn't have paid him. It probably works out pretty well in the end. Oilers having 2 goalies able to play well if called on...crazy rare event. Hopefully about to happen.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:40

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:21

Mike wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 13:45

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 16:09

It's more of the all-in bet on Campbell that I still think is a big risk. As inexperienced as Skinner is, Campbell only has one season with more than half the games played. That earned him a 5x5 deal in the offseason goalie market + the Ken Holland effect. I still worry about that deal turning into more expensive longer Mikko Koskinen deal

If we knew Skinner would be a viable 1A/B by the end of last year, perhaps we wouldn't have to go as all in on the second goalie.




I wanted to see more of Skinner last year, but I'm fine with the tandem we have now. IMO, Campbell's contract >>>> Koskinen. I don't think Campbell will ever be a Vezina finalist, but I think (hope) he will be solid for the length of his deal. And if all goes well, Skinner should be getting a raise and short bridge deal at the end of this year, and then start challenging for the starter's job in a couple of years.

This to me is the best tandem we've had in forever, and at only $5.75M, I think it's pretty good value.


Campbell playing some of the worst hockey of his career so far for us. He hasn't even touched a point where the load of being #1 would be a factor. He will bounce back I bet and it's looking like we could have a very solid pair of goalies.

Wanted to see Skinner more last year too, but I don't think there was any situation where we could have comfortably come into this year thinking Skinner is a 50-60+ game guy for us. That would have been a disaster.

If you take out the short start for Calgary where the whole team was brutal, he was:
.917 - Van
.900 - Car
.952 - STL
.914 - Pitt
The Calgary game was .636.

That would be a .920 if you take the average of all 4 of those games. That's pretty good isn't it?


Probably true, he's already come back quite a bit. Those first few games he had rough starts and needed a period or so to get it together, along with the team. One of those games he didn't get the chance to.

Think lots of ppl are still framing him by those first games where the entire team was trash. And now Skinner having good games carries on a narrative that we shouldn't have paid him. It probably works out pretty well in the end. Oilers having 2 goalies able to play well if called on...crazy rare event. Hopefully about to happen.

I am not pinning any of those rough starts on Campbell. I was at home opener and the Oilers in the first period couldn't make a 10ft pass. If Campbell hadn't of been good in any of those games, it would have been out of hand for the Oilers. So far I am pretty happy with the goaltending and to me it looks like an upgrade from last year. The Oilers may not get the lights out games that Smith could put up once in a while but I think they will get way more just solid consistent goaltending rather than the extreme peaks and valleys of the last few years.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 14:21



Campbell playing some of the worst hockey of his career so far for us. He hasn't even touched a point where the load of being #1 would be a factor. He will bounce back I bet and it's looking like we could have a very solid pair of goalies.

Wanted to see Skinner more last year too, but I don't think there was any situation where we could have comfortably come into this year thinking Skinner is a 50-60+ game guy for us. That would have been a disaster.


Vancouver - Not Good
Calgary - Yanked in 1st
Buffalo - Stu
Carolina - He was OK
St Lou - He was pretty good, only 1 goal allowed
Pitt - Again pretty good
St Lou - Stu

He hasn't been horrible outside the first 2 games. Can take time for a goalie to get used to new players. I'm not worried about this year. I'm worried about years 3-5 when Stu is markedly better.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 12:40

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 12:24

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:12

I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.



At this point it is hard to disagree with how they handled everything, especially considering how they had to manage Koski and Smith last year, but it was such a weird way for Skinner to finish his NHL season. Pitches a shut out and never sees the NHL again until the start of this season.

If they had the balls to run Skinner for a bit to see if he was legitimate and send Koskinen to Bakersfield, do they have the same player we see today? Do the Oilers go on their playoff run? do they sign Campbell to 5 years? Lots of alternate universe scenarios I would have loved to see play out....or not. confused2


Right now I really like what we have between the pipes, and if both are playing like this moving forward then it is a great problem to have.

Just my opinion but I don't see how they could play him very many more games last year when you have 2 signed goalies in Koskinen and Smith. It's got nothing to do with not having the balls to send Koskinen down, I just don't think they should have done that. Even if they did play Skinner a few more games, the Oilers are supposed to be a cup contending team and turning the starters job over to a 23 yr old with next to no NHL experience in my opinion would have been a mistake. Plus you add in he's a local guy, there are going to be added pressures with playing for the hometown team especially as a goalie. So I think they needed to sign a Campbell or someone else capable of taking the lead. The league, especially the West has turned into a 2 goalie system in my opinion. So having a guy like Campbell who's capable of playing 50-55 good games then have Skinner get into 30ish which would allow him to play a fair amount but not quite be prime time is perfect.

Plus at 5 mill, the contract isn't so much that you can have Skinner, at some point sign him to a decent number for a back up , like 2-2.5 mill per, and if you are paying your tandem 7-7.5 mill, even 8, that isn't that bad. If Skinner in a few years supplants Campbell, teams always need goaltending and 5 mill isn't a horrible number to trade.


It would be great if we had a great sense that we had a firm starter in Skinner, but while he's had some good games, he hasn't made it crystal clear that he's a bonafide NHL starter yet. Even this year, he had a great game in relief of Campbell versus Calgary, then he wasn't great against Buffalo, and then a great game last night. It's a bit uneven so far.

Whatever the case, we need two goalies, and it would be a tremendous risk by the franchise to take a rookie goalie as their starter, or even a sophomore if he'd had a few more starts last year. Ideally, he plays a third of the games this year and contends for the all-rookie team.

As much of a failure as Oilers management has been historically, I can't pillory them over signing another goalie this summer. It is a good problem to have if Skinner pushes Campbell for the top job.

Didn’t Stu struggle in the post season in Bako last spring?

Thought I heard that. If so, I feel they made the correct decision.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 12:24

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:12

I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.



At this point it is hard to disagree with how they handled everything, especially considering how they had to manage Koski and Smith last year, but it was such a weird way for Skinner to finish his NHL season. Pitches a shut out and never sees the NHL again until the start of this season.

If they had the balls to run Skinner for a bit to see if he was legitimate and send Koskinen to Bakersfield, do they have the same player we see today? Do the Oilers go on their playoff run? do they sign Campbell to 5 years? Lots of alternate universe scenarios I would have loved to see play out....or not. confused2

Right now I really like what we have between the pipes, and if both are playing like this moving forward then it is a great problem to have.

Just my opinion but I don't see how they could play him very many more games last year when you have 2 signed goalies in Koskinen and Smith. It's got nothing to do with not having the balls to send Koskinen down, I just don't think they should have done that. Even if they did play Skinner a few more games, the Oilers are supposed to be a cup contending team and turning the starters job over to a 23 yr old with next to no NHL experience in my opinion would have been a mistake. Plus you add in he's a local guy, there are going to be added pressures with playing for the hometown team especially as a goalie. So I think they needed to sign a Campbell or someone else capable of taking the lead. The league, especially the West has turned into a 2 goalie system in my opinion. So having a guy like Campbell who's capable of playing 50-55 good games then have Skinner get into 30ish which would allow him to play a fair amount but not quite be prime time is perfect.

Plus at 5 mill, the contract isn't so much that you can have Skinner, at some point sign him to a decent number for a back up , like 2-2.5 mill per, and if you are paying your tandem 7-7.5 mill, even 8, that isn't that bad. If Skinner in a few years supplants Campbell, teams always need goaltending and 5 mill isn't a horrible number to trade.


I am pretty much completely agree with you, I am just playing a little devil's advocate. If we were to go back in time, the Oilers were tail spinning out of the playoffs, had just fired Tippett, and if ever there was an opportunity to let a young unproven guy run with the ball....that was the time.

They didn't. We made it to the final 4 and things are good in net right now. It was just a "what if". I am really curious to see what we have in this Skinner. I was a fan of his in Swift, and I am glad a local kid is getting an opportunity.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 12:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 12:24

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 27 October 2022 11:12

I think the Oilers did it absolutely perfect with Skinner so far. They didn't rush him. Let him play a ton in the AHL where he got better and better every season. Gave him a taste in the NHL with 13 games last year and so far, it looks like they have developed a more than capable good NHL back up who has the potential to be a home grown quality NHL starter. I have a hard time saying they should have done anything different with this particular player.



At this point it is hard to disagree with how they handled everything, especially considering how they had to manage Koski and Smith last year, but it was such a weird way for Skinner to finish his NHL season. Pitches a shut out and never sees the NHL again until the start of this season.

If they had the balls to run Skinner for a bit to see if he was legitimate and send Koskinen to Bakersfield, do they have the same player we see today? Do the Oilers go on their playoff run? do they sign Campbell to 5 years? Lots of alternate universe scenarios I would have loved to see play out....or not. confused2

Right now I really like what we have between the pipes, and if both are playing like this moving forward then it is a great problem to have.

Just my opinion but I don't see how they could play him very many more games last year when you have 2 signed goalies in Koskinen and Smith. It's got nothing to do with not having the balls to send Koskinen down, I just don't think they should have done that. Even if they did play Skinner a few more games, the Oilers are supposed to be a cup contending team and turning the starters job over to a 23 yr old with next to no NHL experience in my opinion would have been a mistake. Plus you add in he's a local guy, there are going to be added pressures with playing for the hometown team especially as a goalie. So I think they needed to sign a Campbell or someone else capable of taking the lead. The league, especially the West has turned into a 2 goalie system in my opinion. So having a guy like Campbell who's capable of playing 50-55 good games then have Skinner get into 30ish which would allow him to play a fair amount but not quite be prime time is perfect.

Plus at 5 mill, the contract isn't so much that you can have Skinner, at some point sign him to a decent number for a back up , like 2-2.5 mill per, and if you are paying your tandem 7-7.5 mill, even 8, that isn't that bad. If Skinner in a few years supplants Campbell, teams always need goaltending and 5 mill isn't a horrible number to trade.


I am pretty much completely agree with you, I am just playing a little devil's advocate. If we were to go back in time, the Oilers were tail spinning out of the playoffs, had just fired Tippett, and if ever there was an opportunity to let a young unproven guy run with the ball....that was the time.

They didn't. We made it to the final 4 and things are good in net right now. It was just a "what if". I am really curious to see what we have in this Skinner. I was a fan of his in Swift, and I am glad a local kid is getting an opportunity.


Even if they have of played Skinner more and decided he was the guy at 23, in my opinion they still needed to go out and get themselves a legit NHL goalie capable of playing significant games and being decent. 50-55 starts I think is the max you should give your starter, especially in the West. So that means you need a guy who can be capable of playing 30+ decent games. Those guys cost you as I don't think you would want to have the unknown of a young goalie in Skinner, then roll the dice on another young, unproven guy. There weren't that many decent goalies available last year. So if it wasn't Campbell at 5 mill, they probably weren't getting a guy much cheaper. Husso got 4.75 as an example. I guess the one guy was Samsonov but he's only 25 and been pretty meh in Washington before going to the Leafs. So me personally, I think it would have been too much of a gamble to have Skinner and then almost as much of an unknown as Samsonov as your tandem. I feel pretty confident that on most nights Campbell can give the Oilers at least middle of the pack goaltending, I couldn't say that with Sansonov given his last couple of years.



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