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With all the rumors swirling around EK, I thought it would be fun to speculate what everyone thinks the roster would look like heading into the playoffs assuming this team gets its act together and makes the playoffs.

Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Sceviour

Nurse Barrie
Keith Bouchard
Broberg Ceci

Smyth
Skinner


Almost threw in a Chychrun or Chiarot but with Hollond saying changes have to come from within, I brought up Holloway after some time and I like Broberg over KK. Not very creative I know but I just dont see Holland doing much.



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Oilfann wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 14:02

With all the rumors swirling around EK, I thought it would be fun to speculate what everyone thinks the roster would look like heading into the playoffs assuming this team gets its act together and makes the playoffs.

Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Sceviour

Nurse Barrie
Keith Bouchard
Broberg Ceci

Smyth
Skinner


Almost threw in a Chychrun or Chiarot but with Hollond saying changes have to come from within, I brought up Holloway after some time and I like Broberg over KK. Not very creative I know but I just dont see Holland doing much.






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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 21:14

Oilfann wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 14:02

With all the rumors swirling around EK, I thought it would be fun to speculate what everyone thinks the roster would look like heading into the playoffs assuming this team gets its act together and makes the playoffs.

Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Sceviour

Nurse Barrie
Keith Bouchard
Broberg Ceci

Smyth
Skinner


Almost threw in a Chychrun or Chiarot but with Hollond saying changes have to come from within, I brought up Holloway after some time and I like Broberg over KK. Not very creative I know but I just dont see Holland doing much.






Lol. Should have said by the end of the regular season.



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Sorry, had to post that before anyone beat me to it :)

Seriously though


Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Ryan Kassian
Benson McLeod Sceviour

Nurse Bouchard
Keith Ceci
4K Barrie

Smith
Kostko


That really should be better than last year. But, guess we'll see!



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 Re: Projected Playoff Roster [message #797204 is a reply to message #797198 ]
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Well according to retired ref Tim Peel, Kane will be an Oiler in the next couple of hours.


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 Re: Projected Playoff Roster [message #797205 is a reply to message #797198 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 15:17

Sorry, had to post that before anyone beat me to it :)

Seriously though


Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Ryan Kassian
Benson McLeod Sceviour

Nurse Bouchard
Keith Ceci
4K Barrie

Smith
Kostko


That really should be better than last year. But, guess we'll see!



So you’re not buying the Kane stuff?



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 16:46

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 15:17

Sorry, had to post that before anyone beat me to it :)

Seriously though


Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Ryan Kassian
Benson McLeod Sceviour

Nurse Bouchard
Keith Ceci
4K Barrie

Smith
Kostko


That really should be better than last year. But, guess we'll see!



So you’re not buying the Kane stuff?


I didn't until I saw you take him in the Oilfans pool!

Thanks for the inspiration though, took him in my money one and ppl mad at me now for getting the jump, haha.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 18:31

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 16:46

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 15:17

Sorry, had to post that before anyone beat me to it :)

Seriously though


Hyman Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Ryan Kassian
Benson McLeod Sceviour

Nurse Bouchard
Keith Ceci
4K Barrie

Smith
Kostko


That really should be better than last year. But, guess we'll see!



So you’re not buying the Kane stuff?


I didn't until I saw you take him in the Oilfans pool!

Thanks for the inspiration though, took him in my money one and ppl mad at me now for getting the jump, haha.


I mean, we’re at the top of the standings. Do we NEED Connor or Leon’s LW? Yes.



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I’ll play along... on the premise of health and Evander Kane joining the Oilers;

Kane McDavid Puljujarvi
Hyman Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Shore McLeod Ryan

Nurse Barrie
Keith Ceci
Staal Bouchard

Schmiddy
Skinner



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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 23:53

I’ll play along... on the premise of health and Evander Kane joining the Oilers;

Kane McDavid Puljujarvi
Hyman Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Shore McLeod Ryan

Nurse Barrie
Keith Ceci
Staal Bouchard

Schmiddy
Skinner


We both have Skinner over Kostco. Never thought about Staal. I like that idea over Broberg as it gives him more time to develop his game. I like Broberg over 4K however. I have not liked Ryan at all this year. I would play a rusty rookie in Holloway over Ryan all day even though most will disagree with me.



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Hyman McDavid Jesse
Kane Drai Yamo
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Holloway McLeod Benson

Nurse Barrie
Keith Ceci
Bouchard Nemilinen

Smith
Skinner



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Oilfann wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 18:06

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 23:53

I’ll play along... on the premise of health and Evander Kane joining the Oilers;

Kane McDavid Puljujarvi
Hyman Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele Nuge Kassian
Shore McLeod Ryan

Nurse Barrie
Keith Ceci
Staal Bouchard

Schmiddy
Skinner


We both have Skinner over Kostco. Never thought about Staal. I like that idea over Broberg as it gives him more time to develop his game. I like Broberg over 4K however. I have not liked Ryan at all this year. I would play a rusty rookie in Holloway over Ryan all day even though most will disagree with me.


I like Skinner and what he’s shown so far. Is he perfect? No. But he’s showing he’s seemingly capped out what he can do in Bako.

Staal I just cherry picked bc Holland and Detroit. I still think Mike Green was a good add despite the injury and covid opt out, I think Staal could have that impact Green was looked at for.

If. IF. This Kane stuff comes true, I get flashbacks from the season Connor had the Big Rig on his left side and instantly have to do the Ol’ tucker in the waistband trick.



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Just regarding the Evander Kane speculation.....

IF he can be signed to a deal for only the remainder of the season, AND at a low dough/1M (or less) deal is it worth brining him in?

He's a hell of a player and would bring what we need.
Wouldn't be giving up any assets.
If he doesn't fit, he walks at the end of the year.
If we continue to spiral anyway, trade him at the deadline for whatever.
If he's a cancer in the room, send him home.

Not a lot of risk. My worry is Holland overpays and gives him another year.

As for the personality stuff? I don't have to be around him so don't care. There's plenty of douchebags out there, he just happens to be more open about it. 97/29/25/93 etc can handle it.





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jds308 wrote on Tue, 11 January 2022 19:03

Just regarding the Evander Kane speculation.....

IF he can be signed to a deal for only the remainder of the season, AND at a low dough/1M (or less) deal is it worth brining him in?

He's a hell of a player and would bring what we need.
Wouldn't be giving up any assets.
If he doesn't fit, he walks at the end of the year.
If we continue to spiral anyway, trade him at the deadline for whatever.
If he's a cancer in the room, send him home.

Not a lot of risk. My worry is Holland overpays and gives him another year.

As for the personality stuff? I don't have to be around him so don't care. There's plenty of douchebags out there, he just happens to be more open about it. 97/29/25/93 etc can handle it.




It's worth noting that Kane played with Russell, Nugent Hopkins and Keith on World Championship teams as well as Barrie on a U17 team. There are players in the room who have played in high pressure events with Evander and know what his impact can be. I don't think a player as polarizing as Evander Kane can be added to a dressing room without the input of the players already there. The guy can score and he's physical, he brings things that not a lot of players bring. If the team's leaders, and those who know him, can keep his extracurriculars in check, I believe he could be a positive addition. Who really knows though...



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Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?

Yup.

It's all well and good for business academics to drone on about the importance of ES&G in the modern world, but at a certain point the truth comes out. Businesses need to make make money. For the Oilers, in the their current business environment, they need to win and win now to make money.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 11:31

Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?

Yup.

It's all well and good for business academics to drone on about the importance of ES&G in the modern world, but at a certain point the truth comes out. Businesses need to make make money. For the Oilers, in the their current business environment, they need to win and win now to make money.


I hear Voynov wants to come back to the NHL as well - can really bolster our defence!

I think there's a point at which someone is too despicable and the damage it does bringing someone like that in outweighs the benefits of their talent. I think Evander Kane may be in that group. I'm not in favour of signing him, and he's going to be among my least favourite Oilers of all-time if we do.

I actually feel some level of sympathy to him around his gambling issues and that mountain of debt he may never be able to get out from under, but all the assaults and sexual misconduct with women are pretty unforgivable. And I think the fraud this year really speaks to character too - so does crossing a border knowing you're sick with COVID. He clearly doesn't care about anyone else or any rules. How can you successfully build your team around that?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 11:38

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 11:31

Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?

Yup.

It's all well and good for business academics to drone on about the importance of ES&G in the modern world, but at a certain point the truth comes out. Businesses need to make make money. For the Oilers, in the their current business environment, they need to win and win now to make money.


I hear Voynov wants to come back to the NHL as well - can really bolster our defence!

I think there's a point at which someone is too despicable and the damage it does bringing someone like that in outweighs the benefits of their talent. I think Evander Kane may be in that group. I'm not in favour of signing him, and he's going to be among my least favourite Oilers of all-time if we do.

I actually feel some level of sympathy to him around his gambling issues and that mountain of debt he may never be able to get out from under, but all the assaults and sexual misconduct with women are pretty unforgivable. And I think the fraud this year really speaks to character too - so does crossing a border knowing you're sick with COVID. He clearly doesn't care about anyone else or any rules. How can you successfully build your team around that?

This all sounds like emotion driven hyperbole to me. The Oilers aren't building around Kane, they don't support your definition of fraud, and they aren't proponents of sexual assault. Could Evander Kane help the Oilers win hockey games? The answer is probably yes.

Now, this statement is being made as a theoretical. A properly run NHL team could make the decision to sign Kane and benefit from it. The Oilers are not a properly run NHL team or business. Whether they sign him or don't sign him, the Oilers will screw this up.

I'd take Voynov (assuming he can still play) over Kane, the defense is a bigger issue.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?

If everything he was supposed accused of by someone was true, then it wouldn't be good but have they? So far there has been all kind of stories but I haven't seen anything where it's been proven they are true. I honestly don't know if they have been proven true or not which is why I am asking. I read that while the police were investigating the accusations, supposed the woman wouldn't cooperate, change her story, etc, etc. So I don't know what's true or not. I also read that he is suing his wife/ex gf whatever she is for somethings around the supposed accusations.

I am not sticking up for the guy, it sure sounds like he might have done some bad things but at the same time, so far there has been all kinds of accusations, they get investigated and from what I know, nothing has come of them. So what's the truth? I don't have that answer.

Your point about him running out his welcome with other teams is definitely valid and a concern for me but he was with the Sharks for 4 season, was one of their best players so could you get a season or 2 out of him before they have had enough? Maybe, again I don't know the answer to that.

I think the team needs to do their due diligence for sure. I just look at a player who yes he has some potential big time warts on him but he checks every box the Oilers could have for a player. I think he would make an immediate impact and improve the team quite a bit on the ice and it literally costs you nothing to get him. To get any kind of player who could even remotely play in their top 6 is goign to take significant assets from the Oilers. This guy is free. Whatever assets they would have to spend to get a new player, could be used for something else.



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For what it's worth, as a hockey move I take him. From a morality perspective, I hang up on his agent. Fortunately the decision doesn't lie with me, and nobody is consulting me on it, so I just look at it from a hockey perspective. The morality side will be sorted out by public opinion either way. The team that signs him will make their case for it, the teams that don’t will probably assume bullet dodged. If I was Daryl Katz though, I would tell Holland to stay away. Something tells me Daryl doesn’t share my view, so the only way to look at this is from a hockey perspective.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 12:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?

If everything he was supposed accused of by someone was true, then it wouldn't be good but have they? So far there has been all kind of stories but I haven't seen anything where it's been proven they are true. I honestly don't know if they have been proven true or not which is why I am asking. I read that while the police were investigating the accusations, supposed the woman wouldn't cooperate, change her story, etc, etc. So I don't know what's true or not. I also read that he is suing his wife/ex gf whatever she is for somethings around the supposed accusations.

I am not sticking up for the guy, it sure sounds like he might have done some bad things but at the same time, so far there has been all kinds of accusations, they get investigated and from what I know, nothing has come of them. So what's the truth? I don't have that answer.

Your point about him running out his welcome with other teams is definitely valid and a concern for me but he was with the Sharks for 4 season, was one of their best players so could you get a season or 2 out of him before they have had enough? Maybe, again I don't know the answer to that.

I think the team needs to do their due diligence for sure. I just look at a player who yes he has some potential big time warts on him but he checks every box the Oilers could have for a player. I think he would make an immediate impact and improve the team quite a bit on the ice and it literally costs you nothing to get him. To get any kind of player who could even remotely play in their top 6 is goign to take significant assets from the Oilers. This guy is free. Whatever assets they would have to spend to get a new player, could be used for something else.


Sexual assaults are among the hardest crimes to get convictions on. They typically don't have any witnesses, and any trial can be traumatic for the victims so often they crash out along the way. Remember, not guilty does not mean innocent.

If there was a single case where someone accused Kane or rape or assault but it couldn't be proven, then I'm all for giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I struggle with burying someone over an anonymous report of an assault, for instance.

But with Kane, we have a history of cases now, with some victims willing to be named even.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3397325/sharks-evander-kane-dar k-past-assault-debt-game-fixing/

There's a list of his legal troubles in that article. That doesn't cover him dining and dashing in Winnipeg, forging a vaccination record to show the team or travelling while Covid positive. It doesn't cover his run-ins with teammates at just about every stop along the way in his career.

A team that takes him has to understand that the news may get even worse on this player as details could potentially come out about the 2015 assault. That lawsuit was stayed by his bankruptcy proceedings, but the victim is pushing to have that stay lifted now. ( https://www.fearthefin.com/2021/10/29/22752159/san-jose-shar k-news-evander-kane-assault-case-asks-to-lift-stay) If I was a GM, I'd want to know what might come out in that case as I put a contract in front of him. Even if that wasn't just the decent thing to do, I'd also remember that Bettman tends to suspend players for ugly incidents that get big publicity, so there's a chance you lose your player to supplemental discipline when facts are established in court.

At some point, you need to ask - is he just an unlucky guy who keeps getting in these situations where someone falsely accuses him? Or is this indicative of real recurring character issues by someone who does not have a good moral compass, and who feels he's above the rules everyone else has to live by?

Do you really think all these people just keep lying about Evander Kane in an attempt to take his money? Or maybe he's actually a dirtbag. I think the latter explanation is more likely at this point.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 12:33

Remember, not guilty does not mean innocent.


Also remember a court of public opinion does mean guilty. The burden of proof is rightfully owned by the accuser.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 12:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 12:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 10:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 January 2022 09:06

Take it for what it's worth but I read on twitter that supposedly the team went to the main players on the team to discuss if they would be OK to bring Kane in and they were and supposedly McD even talked to Kane to try to get him to come.

If you could get him on a deal for the rest of this season for somewhere in the range of +/- 1 mill, that would be one hell of a pick up. You can't trade for his caliber of player especially at that dollar amount. Having Kane on the team upgrades your top 6, it also makes it so you could drop Nuge to the 3C hole which solves that problem and you haven't spent a single asset to do it.


At what point is a player's mistakes too abhorrent to take on. Kane hasn't just had the vaccination fraud and the bankruptcy - he's been accused of aggravated rape, spousal battery, bribing a girl to get an abortion and then bribing her to get another one and not paying her after she did - the list goes on and on. We've been commenting in here recently about how self-destructive he is - he's managed to be hated by his teammates in at least two of his stops.

Are you just good with that because he might be able to provide some offence?

If everything he was supposed accused of by someone was true, then it wouldn't be good but have they? So far there has been all kind of stories but I haven't seen anything where it's been proven they are true. I honestly don't know if they have been proven true or not which is why I am asking. I read that while the police were investigating the accusations, supposed the woman wouldn't cooperate, change her story, etc, etc. So I don't know what's true or not. I also read that he is suing his wife/ex gf whatever she is for somethings around the supposed accusations.

I am not sticking up for the guy, it sure sounds like he might have done some bad things but at the same time, so far there has been all kinds of accusations, they get investigated and from what I know, nothing has come of them. So what's the truth? I don't have that answer.

Your point about him running out his welcome with other teams is definitely valid and a concern for me but he was with the Sharks for 4 season, was one of their best players so could you get a season or 2 out of him before they have had enough? Maybe, again I don't know the answer to that.

I think the team needs to do their due diligence for sure. I just look at a player who yes he has some potential big time warts on him but he checks every box the Oilers could have for a player. I think he would make an immediate impact and improve the team quite a bit on the ice and it literally costs you nothing to get him. To get any kind of player who could even remotely play in their top 6 is goign to take significant assets from the Oilers. This guy is free. Whatever assets they would have to spend to get a new player, could be used for something else.


Sexual assaults are among the hardest crimes to get convictions on. They typically don't have any witnesses, and any trial can be traumatic for the victims so often they crash out along the way. Remember, not guilty does not mean innocent.

If there was a single case where someone accused Kane or rape or assault but it couldn't be proven, then I'm all for giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I struggle with burying someone over an anonymous report of an assault, for instance.

But with Kane, we have a history of cases now, with some victims willing to be named even.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3397325/sharks-evander-kane-dar k-past-assault-debt-game-fixing/

There's a list of his legal troubles in that article. That doesn't cover him dining and dashing in Winnipeg, forging a vaccination record to show the team or travelling while Covid positive. It doesn't cover his run-ins with teammates at just about every stop along the way in his career.

A team that takes him has to understand that the news may get even worse on this player as details could potentially come out about the 2015 assault. That lawsuit was stayed by his bankruptcy proceedings, but the victim is pushing to have that stay lifted now. ( https://www.fearthefin.com/2021/10/29/22752159/san-jose-shar k-news-evander-kane-assault-case-asks-to-lift-stay) If I was a GM, I'd want to know what might come out in that case as I put a contract in front of him. Even if that wasn't just the decent thing to do, I'd also remember that Bettman tends to suspend players for ugly incidents that get big publicity, so there's a chance you lose your player to supplemental discipline when facts are established in court.

At some point, you need to ask - is he just an unlucky guy who keeps getting in these situations where someone falsely accuses him? Or is this indicative of real recurring character issues by someone who does not have a good moral compass, and who feels he's above the rules everyone else has to live by?

Do you really think all these people just keep lying about Evander Kane in an attempt to take his money? Or maybe he's actually a dirtbag. I think the latter explanation is more likely at this point.

Take it for what it's worth but listening to the radio, supposedly Kane has full custody of his kids. Usually men don't get that over the mother unless there is serious issues with the mother so.. I don't know.



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As a lifelong fan and a feminist, I’m struggling with this. I still don’t like Duncan Keith and can’t cheer for him even when he scores. This all being said, if we sign Kane I have to hope that he can turn his life around.

I work in a field where I deal with very bad people, who I work directly with trying to get them to make significant life changes in their cognitive and their behavioural skills. Although almost all my clients are relatively unsuccessful in making a significant life change, I’d be a hypocrite if I thought EK had zero chance.

I reluctantly accept that Kane may be an Oiler. Issues aside, I hope Holland gets a value deal and this does not set back this franchise even more by offering term or contract dollars. Too say the least, I’m extremely skeptical about Kane and have even less trust in Holland.



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It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 08:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway


I don’t think they bring in forward at the deadline if they indeed finalize this Kane thing. A 3Ld, yes, but not a 4lw. That will be Shore.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:54

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 08:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway


I don’t think they bring in forward at the deadline if they indeed finalize this Kane thing. A 3Ld, yes, but not a 4lw. That will be Shore.


Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto worked for a few months 2 years ago, but they really haven't done much for quite some time. I think both Yamamoto and Nuge bring value, but I don't think having them on the same line is ideal. I believe moving Nuge to the 3rd line not only improves the 3rd line, but if his replacement is someone like Hyman or Kane, I think it also improves the 2nd line.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 09:11

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:54

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 08:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway


I don’t think they bring in forward at the deadline if they indeed finalize this Kane thing. A 3Ld, yes, but not a 4lw. That will be Shore.


Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto worked for a few months 2 years ago, but they really haven't done much for quite some time. I think both Yamamoto and Nuge bring value, but I don't think having them on the same line is ideal. I believe moving Nuge to the 3rd line not only improves the 3rd line, but if his replacement is someone like Hyman or Kane, I think it also improves the 2nd line.



100% agree with this



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Kane Mcdavid Yamamoto
Hyman Draisaitl Puljujarvi
Holloway Nuge Kassian
Foegele Mcleod Marody


I'm a fan of a balanced attack. Teams have shown over and over in recent years that a lineup that's balanced throughout can often outperform a team with a powerhouse #1 and weaker 2nd 3rd and 4th. Just look at... oh yeah, the Oilers losing all those playoff games. McDavid and Draisaitl outplayed everybody, but without having balance the rest of the way down they just get buried.
I don't think Tippet will put Nuge at 3C, though I do think that's the best suited place for him. I think Tip would force Turris or Ryan into 3 C and put Kane on the LW there, basically leaving our top 6 the same as it's been all year (provided everyone stays healthy)
Though who knows, maybe Eric Stall takes the 4th line role on the cheap!

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:28

Kane Mcdavid Yamamoto
Hyman Draisaitl Puljujarvi
Holloway Nuge Kassian
Foegele Mcleod Marody


I'm a fan of a balanced attack. Teams have shown over and over in recent years that a lineup that's balanced throughout can often outperform a team with a powerhouse #1 and weaker 2nd 3rd and 4th. Just look at... oh yeah, the Oilers losing all those playoff games. McDavid and Draisaitl outplayed everybody, but without having balance the rest of the way down they just get buried.
I don't think Tippet will put Nuge at 3C, though I do think that's the best suited place for him. I think Tip would force Turris or Ryan into 3 C and put Kane on the LW there, basically leaving our top 6 the same as it's been all year (provided everyone stays healthy)
Though who knows, maybe Eric Stall takes the 4th line role on the cheap!

False. The only way to win is playing your star players as much as possible. IF they're truly dedicated then they will never get tired. Meanwhile, all the other players won't get jealous or resentful of the lack of ice time even if it directly leads to reduced stats and hence lower future pay because they know that's just what it takes to build a champion.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:15

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 09:11

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:54

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 08:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway


I don’t think they bring in forward at the deadline if they indeed finalize this Kane thing. A 3Ld, yes, but not a 4lw. That will be Shore.


Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto worked for a few months 2 years ago, but they really haven't done much for quite some time. I think both Yamamoto and Nuge bring value, but I don't think having them on the same line is ideal. I believe moving Nuge to the 3rd line not only improves the 3rd line, but if his replacement is someone like Hyman or Kane, I think it also improves the 2nd line.



100% agree with this


I also agree, but from past experience, Tippett would rather fit a square peg into a round hole. Nuge at 3C makes this a better club, but he will likely stay as a top line winger playing along side Draisaitl, instead of creating roster depth.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 13:51

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:15

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 09:11

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:54

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 08:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway


I don’t think they bring in forward at the deadline if they indeed finalize this Kane thing. A 3Ld, yes, but not a 4lw. That will be Shore.


Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto worked for a few months 2 years ago, but they really haven't done much for quite some time. I think both Yamamoto and Nuge bring value, but I don't think having them on the same line is ideal. I believe moving Nuge to the 3rd line not only improves the 3rd line, but if his replacement is someone like Hyman or Kane, I think it also improves the 2nd line.



100% agree with this


I also agree, but from past experience, Tippett would rather fit a square peg into a round hole. Nuge at 3C makes this a better club, but he will likely stay as a top line winger playing along side Draisaitl, instead of creating roster depth.



It's not just Tippett, Oilers' culture dictates that big contracts get excess ice time even if it hurts the team. Horc in his big contract years, Drai on the PP today, Nuge when hurt - wasting resources so their hourly pay looks better on a spreadsheet...

Put Perlini in, avoid Kane, keep Hyman on his proper wing, play the team more evenly timewise, reward success, coach the fails, show some confidence in the players - in other words: JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS EVERYWHERE ELSE DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL WORK HERE SO I'LL STOP ALL THIS CRAZY TALK.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:15

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 09:11

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 10:54

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 08:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 13 January 2022 06:54

It's hard to disassociate the player from the extracurriccular stuff, but IF we were to add Kane, from a purely hockey standpoint, that's a damned good looking top 9.

Some combo of

Foegele Mcdavid Puljujarvi
Kane Draisaitl Yamamoto
Hyman Nuge Kassian
Holloway Mcleod Marody

The few minutes that 3rd line played together they looked great. Hell even that 4th line looks good. Feels like the 90 "kid line".

I believe the personnnel up front, mostly on the strength of 97 and 29 of course, is Cup contender material.

But there is still IMO a huge hole at 2LD. And the most obvious chasm - in goal. I can't believe that they would consider coming into this year again with those 2 let alone trying for a Cup run with them.


I do not believe Tippett would utilize Nuge on the third line. I would be willing to bet a burger and a beer that Puljujarvi would drop.

More like:

Kane Mcdavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Yamamoto
Foegele McLeod Puljujarvi
(Deadline pickup) Ryan Kassian

extra skater Holloway


I don’t think they bring in forward at the deadline if they indeed finalize this Kane thing. A 3Ld, yes, but not a 4lw. That will be Shore.


Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamamoto worked for a few months 2 years ago, but they really haven't done much for quite some time. I think both Yamamoto and Nuge bring value, but I don't think having them on the same line is ideal. I believe moving Nuge to the 3rd line not only improves the 3rd line, but if his replacement is someone like Hyman or Kane, I think it also improves the 2nd line.



100% agree with this


We can speculate, but we do know that if Tip is still coaching the team, line combos are a fleeting arrangement. He's still going to 'load up' when the Oilers inevitably are down 2 on 9 SA late in the first, and LD has nothing left after 26 min late in the 3rd. A successful combo means nothing to this man, as being the smartest guy in the room, he fastidiously stayed away from the NDY line combination for the playin loss to Chicago and for some time after. Doing so probably guaranteed Yamamoto and Nuge remained Oilers on friendly deals though, so there's that.



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Too lazy to make a full roster, but here are some of my predictions as Holland tries to salvage the season and/or think he's smarter than he is:

ADDITIONS: Evander Kane, Lawson Crouse, Georgiev, some plugger 3rd pairing defensive d-man

OUTGOING: Yamamoto, Broberg, 1st, Ryan, Koskinen, probably a couple more draft picks, dignity, and all hope for present or future

OFFSEASON: 97 or 29 leave, To Philly for Carter Hart ++ faint



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Dr. Oil wrote on Sat, 22 January 2022 12:46

Too lazy to make a full roster, but here are some of my predictions as Holland tries to salvage the season and/or think he's smarter than he is:

ADDITIONS: Evander Kane, Lawson Crouse, Georgiev, some plugger 3rd pairing defensive d-man

OUTGOING: Yamamoto, Broberg, 1st, Ryan, Koskinen, probably a couple more draft picks, dignity, and all hope for present or future

OFFSEASON: 97 or 29 leave, To Philly for Carter Hart ++ faint


Could definitely see us targeting Hart (not for McDrai though, I think they keep plugging here).

Next logical phase of our goalie issues will be to, instead of just finding a good goalie, find a goalie with a history with this goalie coach we keep holding onto for some unknown reason. Jarry or Hart who work with Schwartz in the summers. Gonna try big overpays to get one of them. Might have to be Hart, because Jarry is having a solid season, although that can be undone with another bad playoffs.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 22 January 2022 15:46

Dr. Oil wrote on Sat, 22 January 2022 12:46

Too lazy to make a full roster, but here are some of my predictions as Holland tries to salvage the season and/or think he's smarter than he is:

ADDITIONS: Evander Kane, Lawson Crouse, Georgiev, some plugger 3rd pairing defensive d-man

OUTGOING: Yamamoto, Broberg, 1st, Ryan, Koskinen, probably a couple more draft picks, dignity, and all hope for present or future

OFFSEASON: 97 or 29 leave, To Philly for Carter Hart ++ faint


Could definitely see us targeting Hart (not for McDrai though, I think they keep plugging here).

Next logical phase of our goalie issues will be to, instead of just finding a good goalie, find a goalie with a history with this goalie coach we keep holding onto for some unknown reason. Jarry or Hart who work with Schwartz in the summers. Gonna try big overpays to get one of them. Might have to be Hart, because Jarry is having a solid season, although that can be undone with another bad playoffs.


Honestly I keep going back to the latest draft and the fact that they were gifted Jesper Wallstedt and traded the pick... really shows how out of touch the organization is. Handed a top goalie prospect on a silver platter, arguably your greatest organizational need outside of front office competence. It was beyond bizarre to me at the time and no matter how good X turns out, I will always think back to that moment as my ‘what the Holland’ moment.

Btw, my updated Oilers playoff roster is;

Best ball, semi finals;
team Benson/Skinner vs team Shore/Ryan
team McLeod/Bouchard vs team Nuge/Foegs

Finals would likely be Benson/Skinner vs Nuge/Foegs with Benson/Skinner coming out on top.



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