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Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796000]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:30

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796001 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:30

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796004 is a reply to message #796001 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:32

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Do you think Nicholson’s almost done that forensic report yet?

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796006 is a reply to message #796004 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:33

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 21:32

Do you think Nicholson’s almost done that forensic report yet?

There’s something wrong with the air now.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796008 is a reply to message #796006 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:37

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g2k wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 21:33

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 21:32

Do you think Nicholson’s almost done that forensic report yet?

There’s something wrong with the air now.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796011 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:45

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Woof.

Regarding what Jack and Louie were going off about near the end of that game, I don’t think any Oiler fan prior to this season would have been pleased if you said this team will be 16-11 thru 27 games. We’d all be disappointed with that news.

Fast forward to it being reality and we are even more disappointed bc of the (false hope) record they built to start the season.

This team could use a covid outbreak for game postponement.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796012 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:49

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I suppose I'm happy I did not watch it. I saw the score a couple times, a 2-1 and then a 4-1. How does this losing streak stop?

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796013 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:49

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I checked out at 2 zip. Have they even TRIED sacrificing a chicken yet?

Connor blanked 3 of the last 6 and -6.
Leon 3 blanks and 4 points in last 6.
- I know bottom 6, secondary scoring and all that but this is a huge power outage for these two.

Koski sporting ~ 4+ GAA in his last 4 starts, well under .900 sv%, rolls in with a smooth .800 tonight.

Pretty gross turn to the season here. Nobody is figuring anything out in terms of the skaters, and Koskinen is a below average sieve who keeps giving up goals while the team continually chases.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796014 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 21:54

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Yamamoto now 6 straight without a shot...

Maybe it’s as simple as that? Yam’s gets a shot on net and the oilers win.

You’re welcome for the solution!

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796020 is a reply to message #796014 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:29

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Yamo said that old Pistol Pete would be haunted by his decision if he passed him over in the draft.

I think the whole city is disappointed that the Oilers DID take him, now.

Basically the same thing, right?

6 games without a shot? That's horrid. Effing unacceptable. Whatever expletive you want to use, it's accurate.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796025 is a reply to message #796020 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 23:00

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HamBlaster wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:29

There's no one drafted near him in his draft class who has close to the points he has, so I wouldn't call this one a bust yet.

I think it's obvious he's not going to be a superstar, and he's a little limited in what he brings. That said, he probably has more value than you'd get by trading him right now. He is decent on the forecheck, but you'd like to see him generate more than he is. Can say that about a lot of Oilers though.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796015 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:07

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Confirmed Covid for Tippett.

10 days.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796017 is a reply to message #796015 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:17

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g2k wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:07

Confirmed Covid for Tippett.

10 days.

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796018 is a reply to message #796017 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:24

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:17

g2k wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:07

Confirmed Covid for Tippett.

10 days.

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

Is that confirmed? I thought it was a requirement for all non-players this year.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796019 is a reply to message #796018 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:25

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:24

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:17

g2k wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:07

Confirmed Covid for Tippett.

10 days.

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

Is that confirmed? I thought it was a requirement for all non-players this year.

Oh? I thought it was the same req’s for coaches as players. I could be wrong. But! Would it really surprise anyone if Tipp isn’t vaxxed?

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796021 is a reply to message #796017 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:29

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:17

g2k wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:07

Confirmed Covid for Tippett.

10 days.

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

I think he is vaccinated - but he has COVID nonetheless. Not necessarily serious, but he can still pass it on, so he gets a time out.

Bad timing though. If Oilers lose, they'll use this to say it's not the coach. If they win, then there is no pressure on the coach.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796022 is a reply to message #796021 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:36

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:29

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:17

g2k wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:07

Confirmed Covid for Tippett.

10 days.

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

It’s the worst timing.

Not surprising though. What a sad sack lot we are. I guess it will take another early exit.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796026 is a reply to message #796017 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 23:42

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 21:17

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

Everyone is vaxxed (you know this is true because they would never have been allowed across the US/Canada border). Trouble is they're all vaxxed with an obsolete vaccine, double, triple vaxxed can get infected, this will continue until the end of the season. NHL will likely have to shorten it.. eventually. I think NHL at the Olympics is toast.
(Fun anecdote: Famous ex-Canadian Rock-star Bryan Adams was double vaxxed, got infected with Covid on TWO separate occasions afterwards)

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796028 is a reply to message #796026 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 01:20

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 23:42

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 21:17

So he’s unvaxxed? Did. Did we know this before?? Not overly surprised I guess.

Vaccine is still good to prepare for a fight with the virus inside you. Hard to get enough antibodies to be excreted by your mucus membranes though by an injected vaccine. Delta already was able to multiply too quick in the throat and lungs to stop vaccinated people from being spreaders for a period of time (still very likely less time than unvaccinated without prioir infection). Omicron may be even better at turning vaccinated into temp spreaders.

Looks like aersol vaccines may actually become a thing, so people will be able to get the same mucosal immune response that you would get from a natural infection. Probably not coming for months though. Combine that with an injected vaccine though and you are basically gonna be a full functioning 5G cell tower.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796023 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:39

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Anybody else thinking back to when they were winning games in spite of being not good in a lot of areas and people like Gregor from 1260 poo-poo'd anybody who pointed out that it wasn't sustainable?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796024 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Tue, 14 December 2021 22:55

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Holy crap, barely holding onto a playoff spot. Didn’t realize we were 4th in the division already. Anaheim is first!

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796027 is a reply to message #796024 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 01:13

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 14 December 2021 22:55

Holy crap, barely holding onto a playoff spot. Didn’t realize we were 4th in the division already. Anaheim is first!

Eakins and McLellan doing just fine with other teams adds a nice layer if confusion when pondering our teams issues.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796030 is a reply to message #796024 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 06:27

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 01:55

Holy crap, barely holding onto a playoff spot. Didn’t realize we were 4th in the division already. Anaheim is first!

We could have had as many as 2 teams to pass to get back in if the Sharks and Jets would have won.

Our league best goal differential from a few weeks ago has now come down to +6, 15th best. Our crazy PP has come back down to Earth at 30.9%. Still #1, but just barely with Toronto at 30.6%. Our PK is down to 10th at 82.1%.

Now all that is not terrible - any positive total goal differential is decent. Special teams total of over 110 (PK + PP) is amazing - if we finish the year like that it will be great.

But at 5 on 5 we are at -12, 44.74%. The only teams worse than us are Arizona, Chicago, Seattle, Montreal, NY Islanders, Buffalo, and Philadelphia. WE trail teams like Ottawa, Detroit, and Columbus. And that is WITH McDavid and Draisaitl. Take those off and it's historically bad. Until we fix our even strength issues, we won't be going too far.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796043 is a reply to message #796030 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 12:09

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I think maybe the Playfair/Russell era has to end. Some awkward shot blocking attempts contributed to the goals against last night. I don't know why Niemelainen left his feet on the one goal, and on another Nurse was flopping around too.

Shot blocking has it's purpose, but it shouldn't be the main drive of your defencemen. Once they're down, they're out of the play if the puck doesn't hit them. You have your goalie to stop the shots - so don't make it easy on the attackers to take the best shot available by getting out of their way.

Interesting to see the focus of so many of the management boosters (including Jim Matheson) move to Kailer Yamamoto. He's dirt cheap, and forechecking well. He needs to shoot more, but he's not the biggest problem on the team, and at least he's being paid relative to his contributions - he's not one of the guys who keeps us from getting better players by making way too much. He's never going to be a superstar, but we can't fill both top lines with superstars on a cap.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796029 is a reply to message #796000 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 01:23

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Just look at this example of perfection we are so blessed to have with the Oilers

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The burger I mean, not the dumbass holding it

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796032 is a reply to message #796029 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 09:48

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Pretty frustrating game. I thought the Oilers were the better team for a a good portion of it. Campbell was fantastic. It just seems like every single bounce is going against the Oilers right now and if they make any kind of mistake, it's going in the net.

I had a bad feeling about the game regardless of how seemingly good the Oilers were playing when Leon missed that wide open goal. He even had time to stop it and he still missed. You give that same chance to him 100 times, he scores 99 times out of 100. It's still a loss, they have to find away past it but they as an entire team look so completely lost as to how to get out of their funk, I don't know what the answer is. You can swap out coaches and maybe with Tippett with Covid, even with it being the same system different voices might help but in my opinion, they just flat out need something to go their way. A goal that is going wide, go off a shin pad and in, something go their way. Of all the guys I would pick to score a goal, it would be Leon and even he is rattled. You could see it when he missed and just the utter "I can't believe it, not again". These guys right now expect unlucky, bad things to happen and unfortunately they are in bunches.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796044 is a reply to message #796032 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

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I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796057 is a reply to message #796044 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 15:42

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

I think that Gulutzan needs some level of supervision. This really is the perfect time to bring MacTavish back in to the fold. He's been hanging around again recently too!

Also - if you need to fire Tippett in a socially distant manner, MacT is the master of that!

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796059 is a reply to message #796057 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796063 is a reply to message #796059 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 16:01

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796064 is a reply to message #796063 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 16:20

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

He’s only a 5 hour drive away!!

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796080 is a reply to message #796064 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 23:13

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

He’s only a 5 hour drive away!!

At least 6 hours. He’d be detained for speeding after name dropping and acting like a total doooooosh.

In my experience, he’s not a great human.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796083 is a reply to message #796080 ]	Thu, 16 December 2021 00:43

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 23:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

He’s only a 5 hour drive away!!

At least 6 hours. He’d be detained for speeding after name dropping and acting like a total doooooosh.

In my experience, he’s not a great human.

Mike Babcock talking about Mike Babcock by referring to Mike Babcock in the 3rd person will at least be entertaining during Mike Babcock interviews.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796086 is a reply to message #796083 ]	Thu, 16 December 2021 06:22

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 01:43

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 23:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

He’s only a 5 hour drive away!!

At least 6 hours. He’d be detained for speeding after name dropping and acting like a total doooooosh.

In my experience, he’s not a great human.

Mike Babcock talking about Mike Babcock by referring to Mike Babcock in the 3rd person will at least be entertaining during Mike Babcock interviews about Mike Babcock.

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t complain about Gully getting a crack at being the bench boss here. I don’t mean during this Tippett quarantine, I mean with Tippett being fired.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796090 is a reply to message #796086 ]	Thu, 16 December 2021 06:35

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 09:22

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 01:43

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 23:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

He’s only a 5 hour drive away!!

At least 6 hours. He’d be detained for speeding after name dropping and acting like a total doooooosh.

In my experience, he’s not a great human.

Mike Babcock talking about Mike Babcock by referring to Mike Babcock in the 3rd person will at least be entertaining during Mike Babcock interviews about Mike Babcock.

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t complain about Gully getting a crack at being the bench boss here. I don’t mean during this Tippett quarantine, I mean with Tippett being fired.

Ugh - can't imagine having to sit through Mike Babcock press conferences...

I don't know much about coaching, so I really don't know who would best help the team if anyone, but I have a hard time believing that all of the guys that we've had in the bottom 6 are all terrible players. There has to be something systemic. Or the GM sucks. Or both. But until we fix our 5-5 woes, especially with McDavid and Draisaitl off the ice, this team will go nowhere. So whoever can do that is who I want.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796091 is a reply to message #796090 ]	Thu, 16 December 2021 07:26

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Mike wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 07:35

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 09:22

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 01:43

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 23:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

He’s only a 5 hour drive away!!

At least 6 hours. He’d be detained for speeding after name dropping and acting like a total doooooosh.

In my experience, he’s not a great human.

Mike Babcock talking about Mike Babcock by referring to Mike Babcock in the 3rd person will at least be entertaining during Mike Babcock interviews about Mike Babcock.

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t complain about Gully getting a crack at being the bench boss here. I don’t mean during this Tippett quarantine, I mean with Tippett being fired.

They aren’t useless. They are extremely limited because any sniff of danger in a game and the Coach throws McDavid and Draisaitl out for 75% (rough estimation) of the game. The rest of the lineup can’t get into a groove, they come off the bench to stretch their legs and then are called off for McDrai to ‘save’ them. It’s amazing having two of the best players in the league but the coach also treats them as the only path to victory and it has to be draining on the rest of the team, how do you stay engaged when you don’t get that trust and ice time from your coach? It’s been like this for years no matter who is in the bottom 9. Oh Koskinen let in an early one again and McDrai are thrown together to get it back.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796093 is a reply to message #796091 ]	Thu, 16 December 2021 09:27

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 December 2021 07:26

One of the issues is that you can't play McDavid and Draisaitl 75% of the game. There's probably a good argument to be made that load management could help them be more effective in the minutes they do play, but I think I saw a number recently on how much ES time is without them, and it was around 60%. That's one of the issues with reverting to the line with them together all the time - it means that 3 lines then don't have one of them, and then you have more of the game where the Oilers are playing without one of them on the ice. If they're on separate lines, then you'd expect that they'd be at 55%+ with at least one of them out.

When Nuge has been out without them, he's holding his own. Slightly negative but not disastrously so - so I do wonder what it looks like if all three centered their own lines. When it's anyone else, it's been death. As Mike says, it's hard to believe everyone we've signed over the last three years to man the bottom six is a complete stiff so at some point you have to start questioning the coach.

I could maybe get behind the idea that it's because they don't play enough time, but I don't think that's the case. The third line is getting pretty regular shifts under TIppett and often the fourth line isn't getting 4 minutes a night either most nights (unless Benson's playing. He's not a favourite of this head coach). And the fact that Nuge - usually with Hyman and Yamamoto - is negative coupled with the fact that McDavid's hovered around even all year when not with Draisaitl both are problematic for me with that theory. I think McDavid should tip the ice at even strength and he used to - so why aren't we better at 5v5 when he's on the ice at least?

To me, that's suggests some systemic issue.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796065 is a reply to message #796063 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 16:56

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:01

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 15:59

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 12:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

But!! Then we lose him from intermission panels.

Actually. I like MacT. I’d support a return behind the bench 😂

Forgot Babcock is a free agent. Lol. 99.99% chance Holland is giving him the first offer

Yes - I'm sure the Oilers would love to be the team to rehabilitate Babcock.

Not only is there the Detroit connection with Holland, but Lowe and Nicholson would have worked with him extensively with Team Canada. He's virtually the only one on the 2002 management team who HASN'T been part of the Oilers braintrust yet.

And chances are good that that group does not see anything wrong with old school coaching methods like getting a player to slam his teammates in writing and then reading that out to all his teammates...

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796067 is a reply to message #796044 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 17:06

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 11:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

I wouldn't put the future coach job in Woodies basket just yet. How many forwards have been developed in Bako?
Bako success stories have all been D-men who are primarily under D. Manson's responsibility. If they ever do get rid of Tippet, I hope they look far and wide.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #27) [message #796068 is a reply to message #796067 ]	Wed, 15 December 2021 17:13

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 17:06

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 15 December 2021 11:20

I am guessing it would be in bad taste to fire Tipp right now?

Novel idea. Bring in Woodcroft in the interim to run the team.

Holland should probably be talking to coaching candidates already, but I expect that he's too busy still assessing whether the team is in a position that it makes sense to make a trade around the trade deadline to bother doing anything proactively.

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