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Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794176]	Tue, 09 November 2021 20:00

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794177 is a reply to message #794176 ]	Tue, 09 November 2021 20:04

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Great job by Skinner. Not sure where the rest of the team was the first half of the game.

Can’t win them all. Refs are still a joke.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794178 is a reply to message #794176 ]	Tue, 09 November 2021 20:14

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The old try to win by playing ~1 period trick.

Didn't work.

McDrai together isn't really a better team.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794182 is a reply to message #794178 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 05:55

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 November 2021 23:14

McDrai together isn't really a better team.

It really isn't. The bump to the first line is not close to making up for the drop on the 2nd line. Or the 3rd.

For those shifts after a PK or whatever fine, but as a rule, they should be driving their own lines. RNH is so much better as a winger than a C.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794183 is a reply to message #794182 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 08:25

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Mike wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 05:55

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 November 2021 23:14

McDrai together isn't really a better team.

I actually really like the strategy of loading up after a PP, or after a tired line ices the puck against us. But to default to it makes the team easier to defend.

I do sometimes wonder if Tippett doesn't have a similar message to McLellan in that the top guys are expected to score and the bottom guys are just expected not to get scored on. We're so persistently pathetic in the bottom six that at some point you have to wonder if it's more of a design flaw in the system than simply always picking the wrong players. Foegele has been relatively invisible outside of a handful of games - and I liked how he looked early. Ryan hasn't done much. Perlini after the hot pre-season has only 3 shots in 8 games. He's not a threat at all. Benson's done little when he's in. Turris and Shore are still sub-par NHLers. But when everyone looks like they forgot where the opposition's net is, I don't wonder if maybe the message is to just make sure they limit the damage against (which is a terrible strategy).

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794185 is a reply to message #794183 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 08:45

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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 11:25

We're so persistently pathetic in the bottom six that at some point you have to wonder if it's more of a design flaw in the system than simply always picking the wrong players.

I thought Perlini looked pretty good last night. Had a few chances and a few big hits. McLeod is fast. Had a decent chance as well. Maybe because of the dearth of quality bottom 6 guys we've had my threshold to be impressed is low, but I thought they both look decent.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794189 is a reply to message #794185 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 10:48

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Mike wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 08:45

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 11:25

We're so persistently pathetic in the bottom six that at some point you have to wonder if it's more of a design flaw in the system than simply always picking the wrong players.

Matheson isn't a fan of McLeod apparently:

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Jim Matheson
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Ryan McLeod didn't move dial much in his recall from Bakersfield, and with just 7 mins against Detroit, he hasn't won over coach Tippett. Perlini showed more, to be honest

It's pretty funny that 7 minutes of action is all it takes for him to come to this conclusion.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794192 is a reply to message #794189 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 11:33

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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 13:48

Mike wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 08:45

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 11:25

We're so persistently pathetic in the bottom six that at some point you have to wonder if it's more of a design flaw in the system than simply always picking the wrong players.

Matheson isn't a fan of McLeod apparently:

Quote:

It's pretty funny that 7 minutes of action is all it takes for him to come to this conclusion.

Well I guess since Matheson didn't like him, I guess I should revise my opinion.

Maybe the Rangers would take him for Kravstov :)

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794179 is a reply to message #794176 ]	Tue, 09 November 2021 20:26

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794181 is a reply to message #794176 ]	Tue, 09 November 2021 23:28

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1st goal is all on Barry (despite KooKoo's stupid pinch & cough up prior to it), what the f was Barry doing, skidding along the ice trying to stop a pass over to nobody, it looked as bad as it was.

Plays died with Yamo, no jam, looked so weak in puck battles, he erased himself out of plays. looks like he didn't step in a gym all summer.

Except for the 3rd goal, Skinner had a great game, he looks like he'll be a good NHL goalie, positive signs.

Not many other positive signs, team was out skated, dopey play. So much for a 3rd line scoring threat.

Kassian looks like he's out, interesting to see who's next on the call up list, Seth Griffin?

Refs still an ongoing joke.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794194 is a reply to message #794181 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 11:48

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 09 November 2021 23:28

Yamo has definitely been a disappointment as he really doesn't look like he's improved.

The whole puck moving with the goalies thing is really starting to bother me. When Smith is in, I get it and why the coaches like it. He's the best in the league by a lot and it's a weapon that no other teams have. BUT he's a unicorn. No one in the league is like him so expecting the other goalies to do similar things when it's not in their skillset isn't realistic. It's literally costing them goals and in this case the game. The Oilers were flat last night, they didn't deserve to win but the game winner was a direct result of Skinner miss handling the puck. If he doesn't do that or feel compelled to do that because of Smith, that goal doesn't happen and at worst the Oilers squeak out with an underserved point and going into OT with McD and Leon, I am taking the Oilers 10 out of 10 times in OT.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794196 is a reply to message #794194 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 12:13

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I have the replay of the game on while I work, and just saw the first goal. My god Barrie was bad on that. I laughed seeing it a second time.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794209 is a reply to message #794196 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 16:05

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Mike wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 11:13

I have the replay of the game on while I work, and just saw the first goal. My god Barrie was bad on that. I laughed seeing it a second time.

Yeah that was like something you'd see on a top 20 hockey Bloopers. Comical.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794197 is a reply to message #794194 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 12:17

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 14:48

The whole puck moving with the goalies thing is really starting to bother me. When Smith is in, I get it and why the coaches like it. He's the best in the league by a lot and it's a weapon that no other teams have. BUT he's a unicorn. No one in the league is like him so expecting the other goalies to do similar things when it's not in their skillset isn't realistic. It's literally costing them goals and in this case the game. The Oilers were flat last night, they didn't deserve to win but the game winner was a direct result of Skinner miss handling the puck. If he doesn't do that or feel compelled to do that because of Smith, that goal doesn't happen and at worst the Oilers squeak out with an underserved point and going into OT with McD and Leon, I am taking the Oilers 10 out of 10 times in OT.

Despite the obvious gaffe, I thought Skinner looked pretty good handling the puck. I'm OK with him developing that skill as a 23 year old on a team that was 9-1. It definitely is a plus when you have a guy back there who can play the puck like Smith does. Koskinen on the other hand, he looks like junk playing the puck, and at 33 I have to think chances for development in that area are fairly limited.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794198 is a reply to message #794197 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 12:21

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I thought Skinner was good so it gives me hope they have something in him but from top to bottom, this league is so close, you can't give teams free ones like that. The team played lousy for 2 period but that gaff literally cost them at least 1 point. Thankfully given their extremely good start, you can live with it but it can't happen again.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794199 is a reply to message #794198 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 12:36

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:21

With the team top 5 in shots against per game, it will 100% happen again. The depth is improved, but with the defensive issues, quiet nights for McD and Drai still could end up as losses more often than not.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794201 is a reply to message #794199 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 12:58

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 11:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:21

Yeah 9-2 but I still don’t see a lot different from the previous two years. We have the best 2 forwards in the game but still are only +1 for 5v5 goal differential.

The best powerplay, a strong start to goaltending, and a Gretzky-like season by McDavid is covering up the flaws once again. Those things can get you wins in the regular season but we all know what happens when the refs put their whistles down in the playoffs and McDavid wears a Kesler-Pionk shaped backpack all series.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794202 is a reply to message #794199 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 13:00

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:21

I personally do not care that the Oilers give up a lot of shots, for me it's where they are coming from. Last night wasn't their best game but generally I don't think they are giving up a ton of quality chances. They have also in my opinion played a lot of teams who's game plan is to just throw everything at the net and hope something happens.

I also do not think the Oilers will ever play a defensive, shot suppressing style when they have McD and Leon running up and down the ice. McD and Leons lines flat out give up chances against. They always have, probably always will given their supreme offensive abilities and the style they play. McD in particular is a rush player. I don't think we will ever see McD's line grinding it in the corner and just cycling and cycling and chewing up clock until they finally bang it in. I think they could probably give up a few less shots but I think they will always give up lots given the players they have so I think for some fans to continually beat on this drum as a red flag is pointless because it's never going to happen. Not unless some fans want McD and Leon to completely alter their game, abandon their supreme offensive side and turn themselves into Patrice Bergeron or Toews in their primes. Those 2 were damn good, 2 way centers but the never came close to the offensive numbers that McD and Leon put up.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794207 is a reply to message #794202 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 15:51

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 13:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:21

I agree there are different types of shots allowed, but the oilers are allowing as many high danger chances against as they're getting. Spotting your opponents a 3 goal lead isn't a great strategy long term. McDavid and Draisaitl don't need to change anything about the way they play. The D needs a good rental at the deadline and the goaltending needs a healthy smith or a trade.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794210 is a reply to message #794207 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 16:20

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 15:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 13:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 12:21

I think the Oilers need a big, vet, shut down 3rd pairing guy on the left. That screams deadline deal as those guys tend to be available.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794214 is a reply to message #794210 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 20:12

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 16:20

I think the Oilers need a big, vet, shut down 3rd pairing guy on the left. That screams deadline deal as those guys tend to be available.

Gio?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Detroit (Game #11) [message #794215 is a reply to message #794214 ]	Wed, 10 November 2021 21:46

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 19:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 November 2021 16:20

I think the Oilers need a big, vet, shut down 3rd pairing guy on the left. That screams deadline deal as those guys tend to be available.

Gio?

That would be Grant Fuhr as a Flame weird. But yeah he might be a good fit.

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