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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782406 is a reply to message #782405 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Long term deals for a forward in Nashville seem to have a 50/50 or worse shot of the player just not caring anymore.

Johansen, Duchene, Turris. Canadian boys lose their mojo in Nashville? Guess all 3 had a history of being lazy before though.

[Updated on: Fri, 09 April 2021 14:10]

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782407 is a reply to message #782406 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:12

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Long term deals for a forward in Nashville seem to have a 50/50 or worse shot of the player just not caring anymore.

Johansen, Duchene, Turris. Canadian boys lose their mojo in Nashville? Guess all 3 had a history of being lazy before though.

Are you suggesting that Colton Sissons isn't going to be worth his $2.8 million until 2025-26? He nearly got ten goals last year.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782413 is a reply to message #782406 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:32

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Long term deals for a forward in Nashville seem to have a 50/50 or worse shot of the player just not caring anymore.

Johansen, Duchene, Turris. Canadian boys lose their mojo in Nashville? Guess all 3 had a history of being lazy before though.

Too much glitz & glam for a humble Canadian boy there! Too many distractions!

I think it's too bad the Oilers didn't do this earlier. I think there was some cap manipulation that could have been done this year shuttling people up and down from the taxi squad on days off so that you had more guys with close to league minimum on the roster, while guys like Neal, Chiasson and Turris sat on the taxi squad. That wouldn't have impacted their take-home pay, since they're all one-way contracts, and they could still practice with the team, but there would be some small cap savings every day that would add up over the course of a season.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782436 is a reply to message #782406 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 21:34

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 13:08

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Long term deals for a forward in Nashville seem to have a 50/50 or worse shot of the player just not caring anymore.

Johansen, Duchene, Turris. Canadian boys lose their mojo in Nashville? Guess all 3 had a history of being lazy before though.

I don't know about that.. Mike Fisher's mojo was working pretty good with Carrie icon_nod

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782414 is a reply to message #782405 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:36

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Might be less about effort and more about age / wear & tear. Possibly a lesson there regarding Hall and/or Nugent-Hopkins contracts.

Anyways, I still like the signing. There was a chance he could turn it around, but they mitigated the risk with keeping that cap low. It didn't work out, they are still searching for that 3C, but most of Turris' deal can be buried in the AHL or the LTIR next year if necessary.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782417 is a reply to message #782414 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:44

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:36

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Might be less about effort and more about age / wear & tear. Possibly a lesson there regarding Hall and/or Nugent-Hopkins contracts.

Anyways, I still like the signing. There was a chance he could turn it around, but they mitigated the risk with keeping that cap low. It didn't work out, they are still searching for that 3C, but most of Turris' deal can be buried in the AHL or the LTIR next year if necessary.

Only thing I didn't like about the signing is that once again, analytics was right on the player, and the Oilers didn't seem to pay that much attention. I don't mind a bit of a gamble, but there was evidence to suggest he was in a pretty sharp decline and we bet a couple years on him.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782418 is a reply to message #782417 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:50

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Adam wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:44

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:36

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:06

Turris on waivers.

Butt goal didn't cancel out all the games of him just floating around like a lazy turd.

Interesting how some players just lose "it" after a point. He was a good player in Ottawa.

Might be less about effort and more about age / wear & tear. Possibly a lesson there regarding Hall and/or Nugent-Hopkins contracts.

Anyways, I still like the signing. There was a chance he could turn it around, but they mitigated the risk with keeping that cap low. It didn't work out, they are still searching for that 3C, but most of Turris' deal can be buried in the AHL or the LTIR next year if necessary.

Only thing I didn't like about the signing is that once again, analytics was right on the player, and the Oilers didn't seem to pay that much attention. I don't mind a bit of a gamble, but there was evidence to suggest he was in a pretty sharp decline and we bet a couple years on him.

It was pretty disappointing how we got him. Tippett made it clear from the start of the season that he wanted a reliable #3C that could play on the PK. It was more than obvious Turris was not that guy from his easy to find history, and he never was, ever. He needed to be super sheltered and just let loose offensively to be of any use, probably needed to play wing too at this point.

But, to start, there he was on the PK. Useless. Tried to give him some defensive zone starts, useless. Now he's just been dragging his butt around. Saw one play last night where he was just casually carrying the puck in the neutral zone. Guy skates up beside him, give a little bump, steals the puck. Turris doesn't even take a stride to try to at least chase the guy as the puck moves back to our end. Useless.

Prime offensive ice time is all taken up here. No space to give it to useless guys that need some cherry ice time to be 1/4 as productive as the guys he would be taking that time away from. Need some depth players that can actually be depended on in all zones a bit.

[Updated on: Fri, 09 April 2021 15:01]

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782420 is a reply to message #782418 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 14:59

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I for one thought that while Turris wouldn't be a defensive specialist, at 31 with his experience, I thought he could be passable defensively and capable of putting up 3rd line numbers. It was a top 6 center for a long time and not even that long ago. I would think he'd be capable of 30 something points. He's only 31 so he should have game left but apparently not.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782421 is a reply to message #782420 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 15:17

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:59

I for one thought that while Turris wouldn't be a defensive specialist, at 31 with his experience, I thought he could be passable defensively and capable of putting up 3rd line numbers. It was a top 6 center for a long time and not even that long ago. I would think he'd be capable of 30 something points. He's only 31 so he should have game left but apparently not.

If we gave him a permanent top 6 spot and played Drai on his wing, or he was on Drai's wing and he got a good amount of PP time, he probably could have been on a 30+ point pace. There is no way he would get 30+ on the 3rd line with a good offensive player on his wing. Doesn't seem to be an opening for him on a top 6 wing spot anymore. Trust with Tippett is probably eroded.

We were supposed to be filling a gaping hole on our 3rd line though. Tippett made it clear that's what he was hoping he had with Turris with how he used him early on. May have costed us some games trying to force that disaster.

Honestly not sure what this org thought they had with Turris. Tippett thought he had a 3C that could take on some defensive responsibilities and free up McDrai/Nuge. What was Holland thinking? Maybe the same.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782422 is a reply to message #782421 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 15:21

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 15:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:59

I for one thought that while Turris wouldn't be a defensive specialist, at 31 with his experience, I thought he could be passable defensively and capable of putting up 3rd line numbers. It was a top 6 center for a long time and not even that long ago. I would think he'd be capable of 30 something points. He's only 31 so he should have game left but apparently not.

If we gave him a permanent top 6 spot and played Drai on his wing, or he was on Drai's wing and he got a good amount of PP time, he probably could have been on a 30+ point pace. There is no way he would get 30+ on the 3rd line with a good offensive player on his wing.

We were supposed to be filling a gaping hole on our 3rd line though. Tippett made it clear that's what he was hoping he had with Turris with how he used him early on. May have costed us some games trying to force that disaster.

Honestly not sure what this org thought they had with Turris. Tippett thought he had a 3C that could take on some defensive responsibilities and free up McDrai/Nuge. What was Holland thinking? Maybe the same.

You are right, he's most definitely not doing it this year. My comment was I thought given he used to be a decent top 6 guy and not that long ago, he would be capable of producing 30 pts in a 3rd line role. Other teams have 3rd line centers doing it without top unit PP time and elite wingers.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #782423 is a reply to message #782422 ]	Fri, 09 April 2021 15:26

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 15:21

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 15:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 April 2021 14:59

I for one thought that while Turris wouldn't be a defensive specialist, at 31 with his experience, I thought he could be passable defensively and capable of putting up 3rd line numbers. It was a top 6 center for a long time and not even that long ago. I would think he'd be capable of 30 something points. He's only 31 so he should have game left but apparently not.

If we gave him a permanent top 6 spot and played Drai on his wing, or he was on Drai's wing and he got a good amount of PP time, he probably could have been on a 30+ point pace. There is no way he would get 30+ on the 3rd line with a good offensive player on his wing.

We were supposed to be filling a gaping hole on our 3rd line though. Tippett made it clear that's what he was hoping he had with Turris with how he used him early on. May have costed us some games trying to force that disaster.

Honestly not sure what this org thought they had with Turris. Tippett thought he had a 3C that could take on some defensive responsibilities and free up McDrai/Nuge. What was Holland thinking? Maybe the same.

You are right, he's most definitely not doing it this year. My comment was I thought given he used to be a decent top 6 guy and not that long ago, he would be capable of producing 30 pts in a 3rd line role. Other teams have 3rd line centers doing it without top unit PP time and elite wingers.

It would have been nice if he could do that for sure. His last few years though showed it was extremely unlikely. His Nashville time was full of getting good offensive ice time because of how poor their teams offensive top end has been. He got lots of chances and offensive zone starts to try to get things done, and produced pretty poorly considering the opportunity. And he's been a 1-dimensional player pretty much his whole career. I figured he would be a slightly faster Gagner which was almost on the mark. He's a slightly faster Gagner with 1/4 the passion.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786120 is a reply to message #768020 ]	Sun, 23 May 2021 23:44

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Our longshot for 3rd line C eating popcorn (because he's terrible) while we put out Jujhar hockey for key own zone faceoffs in playoff overtime.

Think we can conclude, we shoulda tried a little harder with this add.

Tippett was super excited! Turris on the PK to start the year, taking defensive 5v5 faceoffs as 3rd line C to start the year. He really really did want a useful C to add to this group and seems like he really thought he had something there. What a bummer.

[Updated on: Sun, 23 May 2021 23:46]

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786133 is a reply to message #786120 ]	Mon, 24 May 2021 08:04

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 May 2021 23:44

Our longshot for 3rd line C eating popcorn (because he's terrible) while we put out Jujhar hockey for key own zone faceoffs in playoff overtime.

Think we can conclude, we shoulda tried a little harder with this add.

Tippett was super excited! Turris on the PK to start the year, taking defensive 5v5 faceoffs as 3rd line C to start the year. He really really did want a useful C to add to this group and seems like he really thought he had something there. What a bummer.

At least he didn’t do the Chia thing by grossly overpaying the guy. This was a low-cost gamble that didn’t pan out.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786160 is a reply to message #786133 ]	Mon, 24 May 2021 16:31

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 08:04

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 May 2021 23:44

Our longshot for 3rd line C eating popcorn (because he's terrible) while we put out Jujhar hockey for key own zone faceoffs in playoff overtime.

Think we can conclude, we shoulda tried a little harder with this add.

Tippett was super excited! Turris on the PK to start the year, taking defensive 5v5 faceoffs as 3rd line C to start the year. He really really did want a useful C to add to this group and seems like he really thought he had something there. What a bummer.

At least he didn’t do the Chia thing by grossly overpaying the guy. This was a low-cost gamble that didn’t pan out.

We, as fans, recognized that he wasn’t IT early in the season tho. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it’s really too bad they didn’t bring in Glendening at the deadline...

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786165 is a reply to message #786160 ]	Mon, 24 May 2021 16:55

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 16:31

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 08:04

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 May 2021 23:44

Our longshot for 3rd line C eating popcorn (because he's terrible) while we put out Jujhar hockey for key own zone faceoffs in playoff overtime.

Think we can conclude, we shoulda tried a little harder with this add.

Tippett was super excited! Turris on the PK to start the year, taking defensive 5v5 faceoffs as 3rd line C to start the year. He really really did want a useful C to add to this group and seems like he really thought he had something there. What a bummer.

At least he didn’t do the Chia thing by grossly overpaying the guy. This was a low-cost gamble that didn’t pan out.

We, as fans, recognized that he wasn’t IT early in the season tho. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it’s really too bad they didn’t bring in Glendening at the deadline...

I suspect that A) the analytics crew was right about this guy when they said he was done and B) that the Oilers don't have a good analytics team, and neither the team's coach nor GM (nor Vice-Chairs) understand much about analytics or why it's helpful and why all the best teams are now spending big dollars on it.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786168 is a reply to message #786165 ]	Mon, 24 May 2021 17:06

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Adam wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 16:55

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 16:31

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 08:04

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 May 2021 23:44

Our longshot for 3rd line C eating popcorn (because he's terrible) while we put out Jujhar hockey for key own zone faceoffs in playoff overtime.

Think we can conclude, we shoulda tried a little harder with this add.

Tippett was super excited! Turris on the PK to start the year, taking defensive 5v5 faceoffs as 3rd line C to start the year. He really really did want a useful C to add to this group and seems like he really thought he had something there. What a bummer.

At least he didn’t do the Chia thing by grossly overpaying the guy. This was a low-cost gamble that didn’t pan out.

We, as fans, recognized that he wasn’t IT early in the season tho. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it’s really too bad they didn’t bring in Glendening at the deadline...

I suspect that A) the analytics crew was right about this guy when they said he was done and B) that the Oilers don't have a good analytics team, and neither the team's coach nor GM (nor Vice-Chairs) understand much about analytics or why it's helpful and why all the best teams are now spending big dollars on it.

There is no dedicated analytics department. It’s an old school collab between a Dutch dinosaur, an egomaniacal idiot who claims to know a thing about winning (on a stacked roster in the 80s) and some burger loving octogenarian who’s somehow weaseled his way into upper hockey management despite no real success outside of again, a beyond stacked roster.

Teams across the league, teams in other pro sports have been focused on analytics for years (decades for baseball) and the the Oilers just ride the wave of the 80s trying to emulate those rosters with today’s game. It doesn’t work.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786170 is a reply to message #786168 ]	Mon, 24 May 2021 17:28

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 17:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 16:55

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 16:31

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 24 May 2021 08:04

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 May 2021 23:44

Our longshot for 3rd line C eating popcorn (because he's terrible) while we put out Jujhar hockey for key own zone faceoffs in playoff overtime.

Think we can conclude, we shoulda tried a little harder with this add.

Tippett was super excited! Turris on the PK to start the year, taking defensive 5v5 faceoffs as 3rd line C to start the year. He really really did want a useful C to add to this group and seems like he really thought he had something there. What a bummer.

At least he didn’t do the Chia thing by grossly overpaying the guy. This was a low-cost gamble that didn’t pan out.

We, as fans, recognized that he wasn’t IT early in the season tho. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but it’s really too bad they didn’t bring in Glendening at the deadline...

I suspect that A) the analytics crew was right about this guy when they said he was done and B) that the Oilers don't have a good analytics team, and neither the team's coach nor GM (nor Vice-Chairs) understand much about analytics or why it's helpful and why all the best teams are now spending big dollars on it.

There is no dedicated analytics department. It’s an old school collab between a Dutch dinosaur, an egomaniacal idiot who claims to know a thing about winning (on a stacked roster in the 80s) and some burger loving octogenarian who’s somehow weaseled his way into upper hockey management despite no real success outside of again, a beyond stacked roster.

Teams across the league, teams in other pro sports have been focused on analytics for years (decades for baseball) and the the Oilers just ride the wave of the 80s trying to emulate those rosters with today’s game. It doesn’t work.

I don't think they're even copying the 1980s teams. There were some fighters back in those days but the rosters were very deep. Outside of the guys who have their numbers in the rafters, we had a lot of really good depth players:
- Esa Tikkanen had 5 seasons of 63 or more points, topping out at 78
- Craig Simpson scored 50 goals once and regularly contributed goals and points.
- Krushelnyski scored 43 playing with Gretzky and Kurri, and after Tikkanen arrived, he still put up 45-50 points without them.
- MacTavish wouldn't just kill penalties and win draws - he would score 32-52 points a season
- Linseman scored 75 and 67 points in his two seasons with the Oilers
- Napier scored 35 in 33 games his first Oilers season and 56 in 80 in his second.
- Hughes scored 45 and 55 points his first two Oilers campaigns. He was dealt after he slipped to 25 points
- Hunter was a 30-45 bottom sixer
- Lumley had a 32 goal, 74 point campaign and was a solid contributor in other years too

The depth was good too...for some reason the Oilers from Tambellini on seem to think depth guys should be specialists - usually at penalty kill or faceoffs or fighting or hitting - without any other redeeming qualities. It's baffling that they don't remember how important those others still were...

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #786187 is a reply to message #786168 ]	Mon, 24 May 2021 18:36

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Analytics also told the Oilers that Mark Fayne and Beniot Pouliot were fantastic players and the people who believe in alalytics as the end all be all praised those signings. I believe it was Tyler Dellow who had them as can't miss signings. Analytics needs to be seen as 1 tool in the tool box.

I believe I heard that this Oilers team is currently crushing the analytics this series and they are down 3-0. confused2

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797970 is a reply to message #768020 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

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Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797972 is a reply to message #797970 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 12:37

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

"best shape of his life!"

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797974 is a reply to message #797972 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 12:47

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:37

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

"best shape of his life!"

Did he say best of his life? I feel maybe that is where he failed. Only got into really good shape, like only top 2-4 levels of off-season shape. If he actually hit the "best of his life", maybe he would be in the top 6 right now.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797975 is a reply to message #797974 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 12:49

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:47

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:37

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

"best shape of his life!"

Did he say best of his life? I feel maybe that is where he failed. Only got into really good shape, like only top 2-4 levels of off-season shape. If he actually hit the "best of his life", maybe he would be in the top 6 right now.

I feel like it's more likely I heard Stauffer say that. But you always hear it about declining veterans.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797980 is a reply to message #797975 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 13:11

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:49

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:47

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:37

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

"best shape of his life!"

Did he say best of his life? I feel maybe that is where he failed. Only got into really good shape, like only top 2-4 levels of off-season shape. If he actually hit the "best of his life", maybe he would be in the top 6 right now.

I feel like it's more likely I heard Stauffer say that. But you always hear it about declining veterans.

Leave it to Bob to not be able to tell the difference between a guy being in the 2nd best shape of his life and the actual best. Huge difference to the trained eye.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797982 is a reply to message #797980 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 13:43

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 13:11

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:49

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:47

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:37

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

"best shape of his life!"

Did he say best of his life? I feel maybe that is where he failed. Only got into really good shape, like only top 2-4 levels of off-season shape. If he actually hit the "best of his life", maybe he would be in the top 6 right now.

I feel like it's more likely I heard Stauffer say that. But you always hear it about declining veterans.

Leave it to Bob to not be able to tell the difference between a guy being in the 2nd best shape of his life and the actual best. Huge difference to the trained eye.

To be fair, Bob may be comparing to his own shape. I'm actually surprised he hasn't slimmed down given how much he's sweated off in front of the cameras this year.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797993 is a reply to message #797982 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 15:10

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Adam wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:43

To be fair, Bob may be comparing to his own shape. I'm actually surprised he hasn't slimmed down given how much he's sweated off in front of the cameras this year.

Well to be fair to Bob, a sphere does happen to be the strongest 3D shape.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797978 is a reply to message #797974 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 13:07

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:47

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:37

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 12:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

"best shape of his life!"

Did he say best of his life? I feel maybe that is where he failed. Only got into really good shape, like only top 2-4 levels of off-season shape. If he actually hit the "best of his life", maybe he would be in the top 6 right now.

I'm just glad they're making big moves to address outstanding issues.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #797992 is a reply to message #797970 ]	Fri, 21 January 2022 15:08

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2022 11:32

Turris on waivers today.

Appears being in amazing shape this year didn't help much.

They said the same about Bouchard, but he's provided the physicality of a marshmallow.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #802275 is a reply to message #768020 ]	Mon, 21 March 2022 01:00

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Turris being waived because if he comes off LTIR before the season is over, we want to still be able to bury him and save at least some of his cap hit.

Seriously...wth...we're the only team that can't convince a player to stay on LTIR a little extra to help the team.

If Turris comes back early, that's 525k of lost cap space. I assume we are going into the deadline just assuming now that we are down that 525k.

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Re: Kyle Turris an Oiler, 2 years @ 1.65AAV [message #802289 is a reply to message #802275 ]	Mon, 21 March 2022 09:06

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 01:00

Turris being waived because if he comes off LTIR before the season is over, we want to still be able to bury him and save at least some of his cap hit.

Seriously...wth...we're the only team that can't convince a player to stay on LTIR a little extra to help the team.

If Turris comes back early, that's 525k of lost cap space. I assume we are going into the deadline just assuming now that we are down that 525k.

I'm sure Turris would be fine to just sit out, rather than risk getting sent to Bakersfield. Oilers are just the worst at this.

Not only do they seem to lack any coherent plans, but they also don't seem aware of any possible techniques or creative solutions for maximizing cap space. It's not just Turris. We have a better option in goal than Mike Smith toiling in the minors, and if they convinced Smith to take a seat, then we have significantly more room. Last year they saved a bunch of cap space just in case Slater Koekkoek needed to come back - which, I mean, he did, but only for the last game of the season. Could the team possibly have used that space better?

Holland sucks. Hopefully this is the last deadline with him at the helm.

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