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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 06:50

Just. Win.

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I saw fans on other sites complaining the Oilers didn't win by enough. Sens are pros, they are paid to win too. They play very hard. Their goalie stood on his head. I don't care by how many you win by, just win.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 06:50

Just. Win.

100%.
I saw fans on other sites complaining the Oilers didn't win by enough. Sens are pros, they are paid to win too. They play very hard. Their goalie stood on his head. I don't care by how many you win by, just win.

Yep, if the Oilers played trap hockey and ground out wins night after night, I'd take that in a heartbeat even over superstar fancy hockey and all the individual hardware.



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I saw something on twitter today that said that Oilers are .500 today against the rest of the division (11-11). The dominance over the Senators is really important in holding their spot. 5-0 so far, and have to keep going.


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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:26

I saw something on twitter today that said that Oilers are .500 today against the rest of the division (11-11). The dominance over the Senators is really important in holding their spot. 5-0 so far, and have to keep going.


*takes out calculator*

Oilers are 16-11... they’ve played the Sens 5 times, subtract 5 wins.. oh, 11-11.

Math checks out.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 09:53

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:26

I saw something on twitter today that said that Oilers are .500 today against the rest of the division (11-11). The dominance over the Senators is really important in holding their spot. 5-0 so far, and have to keep going.


*takes out calculator*

Oilers are 16-11... they’ve played the Sens 5 times, subtract 5 wins.. oh, 11-11.

Math checks out.

This is the highend analysis I come here for. Casual fans don't know this stuff.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:19

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 09:53

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:26

I saw something on twitter today that said that Oilers are .500 today against the rest of the division (11-11). The dominance over the Senators is really important in holding their spot. 5-0 so far, and have to keep going.


*takes out calculator*

Oilers are 16-11... they’ve played the Sens 5 times, subtract 5 wins.. oh, 11-11.

Math checks out.

This is the highend analysis I come here for. Casual fans don't know this stuff.

Pfft....fancy stats and analysis.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 11:19

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 09:53

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:26

I saw something on twitter today that said that Oilers are .500 today against the rest of the division (11-11). The dominance over the Senators is really important in holding their spot. 5-0 so far, and have to keep going.


*takes out calculator*

Oilers are 16-11... they’ve played the Sens 5 times, subtract 5 wins.. oh, 11-11.

Math checks out.

This is the highend analysis I come here for. Casual fans don't know this stuff.


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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 09:26

I saw something on twitter today that said that Oilers are .500 today against the rest of the division (11-11). The dominance over the Senators is really important in holding their spot. 5-0 so far, and have to keep going.

No taking anything for granted, just squeeze the Sens for every point they can give, particularly before facing the Dys on Saturday.



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Schmiddy gets the net tonight.

Turris and Archie out.

Willy likely back in the lineup.

Just. Win.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:53

Schmiddy gets the net tonight.

Turris and Archie out.

Willy likely back in the lineup.

Just. Win.

I assume Jones is out. I have thought he was OK but not great.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 11:56

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 10:53

Schmiddy gets the net tonight.

Turris and Archie out.

Willy likely back in the lineup.

Just. Win.

I assume Jones is out. I have thought he was OK but not great.


Reports are he was out late with Bouchard, Kassian, Kahun and Nygard.

Which likely provides Patrick Russell (shudder) an opportunity to continue his nothingness streak.



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I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).



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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.

Nuge can not drive a line. It's pretty well established he's a complimentary player. He's got 20 pts and 14 have been on the PP so a pretty sad 6 pts 5 on 5. The only way that line will score is if JP drives the line.



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I wish I could go to an Oilers practice so I can watch P. Russel in action. He must look unbelievable in practice to keep getting looks. It's only been 4 games so far but he doesn't score, not overly physical, he's not tough, for a big guy he doesn't play big, he's not on any special teams. He doesn't have a big shot. In 4 games, he's got 5 shots so it's not like the guy is snake bitten and due for a goal. You have to actually shoot pucks to score usually. He doesn't generate a lot of scoring chances. Haas doesn't score much and doesn't shoot a lot but he's easily good for a decent chance or 2 a game where he misses the net. So at least that is something.

I guess when he is on the ice, he usually doesn't do anything really bad but it's pretty rare something good happens when he is on the ice. He is literally a guy who is just out there to give guys a breather. I don't get it.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.



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One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


*cough* Dylan *cough* Holloway *cough*



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:29

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:19


One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


*cough* Dylan *cough* Holloway *cough*


I won't put that kind of pressure on the kid. I still think if people expect no better than 3rd liner for Holloway, they're less likely to be disappointed.



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One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


*cough* Dylan *cough* Holloway *cough*


I won't put that kind of pressure on the kid. I still think if people expect no better than 3rd liner for Holloway, they're less likely to be disappointed.


Fair. Sorry I have a tickle in my throat;

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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:30

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:47

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:30

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.


I think you're seriously overrating Eberle as a 'driver' of a line and I don't really remember him making lesser players better. To me he was a much more frustrating player to watch than RNH as an Oiler.

I actually don't mind Nuge deferring to playing defensively, and I think that's a condition of having that beaten into him through 3 or 4 coaches. I would agree that I would rather see RNH as the best W on the team with the other 2 playing C, than him at 2C.
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:47

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:30

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.


I think you're seriously overrating Eberle as a 'driver' of s line and I don't really remember him making lesser players better. To me he was a much more frustrating player to watch than RNH ad an Oiler.

I actually don't mind Nuge deferring to playing defensively, anf I think that's a condition of having that beaten into him through 3 or 4 coaches. I would agree that I would rather see RNH as the best W on the team with the other 2 playing C, than him at 2C.
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I've got a solution for you. Go get Eichel for #2C.


I think Eichel is a little too expensive for us to chase. Both in terms of salary and acquisition cost. It's hard to see how he'd fit under the cap.

I'm all for picking the carcass of the Buffalo Sabres, but I'm not sure Eichel is someone it's reasonable to think we could get.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 14:29

jds308 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 13:25



I've got a solution for you. Go get Eichel for #2C.


I think Eichel is a little too expensive for us to chase. Both in terms of salary and acquisition cost. It's hard to see how he'd fit under the cap.

I'm all for picking the carcass of the Buffalo Sabres, but I'm not sure Eichel is someone it's reasonable to think we could get.


Can we convince Adams to retain salary? :) So curious to see what Adams does if he gets the green light to make huge moves. See no indication that Buffalo's owners have the first clue about player value either.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 12:52

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:47

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:30

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.


I think you're seriously overrating Eberle as a 'driver' of s line and I don't really remember him making lesser players better. To me he was a much more frustrating player to watch than RNH ad an Oiler.

I actually don't mind Nuge deferring to playing defensively, anf I think that's a condition of having that beaten into him through 3 or 4 coaches. I would agree that I would rather see RNH as the best W on the team with the other 2 playing C, than him at 2C.
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Mainly just going by results. Ebs was the guy that was actually able to still keep the ice tilted in our favour away from McDrai until he was traded. Nuge was always needing to be put on a line with someone that could drive offensive play for him. I do appreciate Nuge's effort to be a good defensive player. Still a work in progress, but I think he's still improving. But it still comes at a cost. He's always lagging the play when he played with McDavid. His offense is 1 and done usually 5v5, which is why I think he needs to play with skilled passers that can slow things down in the offensive end. That 1 and done is best off being a Nuge shot from a soft area he's snuck into.

Regardless, I fully expect the McDrai top line to dominate again next game. And never know, maybe Pulju can evolve into a guy that can consistent get the puck moving into the offensive zone and we find a trio that works with Nuge. Still not that confident it's a recipe to be a cup contender though.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:47

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.


I think you're seriously overrating Eberle as a 'driver' of s line and I don't really remember him making lesser players better. To me he was a much more frustrating player to watch than RNH ad an Oiler.

I actually don't mind Nuge deferring to playing defensively, anf I think that's a condition of having that beaten into him through 3 or 4 coaches. I would agree that I would rather see RNH as the best W on the team with the other 2 playing C, than him at 2C.
confused2


Mainly just going by results. Ebs was the guy that was actually able to still keep the ice tilted in our favour away from McDrai until he was traded. Nuge was always needing to be put on a line with someone that could drive offensive play for him. I do appreciate Nuge's effort to be a good defensive player. Still a work in progress, but I think he's still improving. But it still comes at a cost. He's always lagging the play when he played with McDavid. His offense is 1 and done usually 5v5, which is why I think he needs to play with skilled passers that can slow things down in the offensive end. That 1 and done is best off being a Nuge shot from a soft area he's snuck into.

Regardless, I fully expect the McDrai top line to dominate again next game. And never know, maybe Pulju can evolve into a guy that can consistent get the puck moving into the offensive zone and we find a trio that works with Nuge. Still not that confident it's a recipe to be a cup contender though.


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Gator21 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 18:34

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 13:27

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 12:52

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:47

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.


I think you're seriously overrating Eberle as a 'driver' of s line and I don't really remember him making lesser players better. To me he was a much more frustrating player to watch than RNH ad an Oiler.

I actually don't mind Nuge deferring to playing defensively, anf I think that's a condition of having that beaten into him through 3 or 4 coaches. I would agree that I would rather see RNH as the best W on the team with the other 2 playing C, than him at 2C.
confused2


Mainly just going by results. Ebs was the guy that was actually able to still keep the ice tilted in our favour away from McDrai until he was traded. Nuge was always needing to be put on a line with someone that could drive offensive play for him. I do appreciate Nuge's effort to be a good defensive player. Still a work in progress, but I think he's still improving. But it still comes at a cost. He's always lagging the play when he played with McDavid. His offense is 1 and done usually 5v5, which is why I think he needs to play with skilled passers that can slow things down in the offensive end. That 1 and done is best off being a Nuge shot from a soft area he's snuck into.

Regardless, I fully expect the McDrai top line to dominate again next game. And never know, maybe Pulju can evolve into a guy that can consistent get the puck moving into the offensive zone and we find a trio that works with Nuge. Still not that confident it's a recipe to be a cup contender though.


Eberle was not a driver, he was passenger...plain and simple



Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 20:41

Gator21 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 18:34

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 13:27

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 12:52

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:47

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 10:30

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 18:27

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 17:19

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:30

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:27

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 15:04

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 10 March 2021 14:03

I feel like we are giving up two pints tonight. Just a gut feeling. I’m keeping my Oilers 4-1 score prediction.


Nah! Draisaitl is due for a breakout performance.

Nuge too. (Who I think it totally capable of carrying a top-2 C role, since he's done it his entire career).


Life has been hard for the Nuge without McDrai.

Since the start of 2015/16:

CF%: 47.4%
FF%: 47.3%
SF%: 47%
GF%: 44.75%
xGF%: 45.6%
OZ faceoff%: 49.11%

Most likely just another line McDrai need to make up for with spectacular play. Nuge off to a rough start with a -2 last game, so many he's due for a goal tonight.

I like the Nuge, out of principle largely. Still think he's a winger. And...maybe his money is better spent on an actual elite winger so we don't have to keep going back to McDrai. Pretty disappointed in Tippett here to be honest. 3 bad games and he just panics and goes full McLellan, and I guess all kinds of conclusions of what can work long term can be made from 3 games vs Ottawa?


McDavid/Draisaitl are absolutely dominant on the ice though. I don't hate seeing it - even if just for a short stretch.

I don't think you can blame Nugent-Hopkins or his line for the -2 last game. First shot should just never go in. No mistakes from anyone but the goalie there...it was a weak shot from far out at a bad angle.

Second one, it's another long shot, and one that tips off Barrie's stick to go in on the far side. Both of those are low percentage plays that just worked out well for Ottawa.

Sucks for the line out there, but those aren't hard-earned minuses.


Yeah hard to blame Nuge in isolation last game. Generally though, he's just not a player that drives much of the play. Has always needed a linemate better than him to consistently make things happen. That responsibility lays with Pulju I guess.

McDrai is definitely fun, but we've seen a lot of it over the year, and it rarely has led to consistent success.


I think Nuge can be fine. Eberle/Pouliot and him were a really solid line other than the final season here. He has been overshadowed a bit by playing with Hall, Draisaitl and McDavid a lot of his career, and I think sometimes he plays a little too conservatively without those others out there (although I think that was by design in the McLellan days - I think only the first line ever had the green light to push).

It would be nice if we had one more high end forward. We've got two elite forwards, and one in that second tier in Nuge. After that, Yamamoto and Puljujarvi are on the next tier down and it's a ways down to the next guy.

One more on the Nuge level would leave a really strong top six.


Eberle could drive play. Nuge...just never has, like, ever. Probably sounds like I'm hating on the Nuge as he's close to leaving, but I've had the same complaint about him for a long time. Nuge is a winger. Best asset is his shot 5v5 ;)


Sorry, almost lost ya after the first sentence, there. Eberle a driver of play, really?

RNH will score more points as a wing on the 1st or 2nd line than as a 2nd line center, and clearly he's not in the same category at center as the Hart recipients. I think the team is better if LD is the 2nd center, but Nuge afforded them the ability to throw LD on the top line to get him going again....mission accomplished I'd say. The 2nd line had 3 or 4 excellent chances last night but didnt score 5v5. I'd be concerned if they were getting no chances and owned, wasn't the case.


Eberle was no defensive dynamo, but he was a smart player that on the scoreboard and looking at scoring chances was able to keep things going in the right direction. Even without playing with someone better than him offensively. He helped Nuge a lot over the years. I don't think it was the other way around. Nuge is a pretty timid offensive player 5v5, he really needs his linemates to create things.

Things are certainly going good vs Ottawa :) But, we've done this all before, for extended periods of time. McDrai are magic together, no doubt. We've had a lot of crap seasons though with McDrai on the top line and hoping the rest of the lineup, with Nuge as the 2nd line C, could not bleed goals when they are resting.

And hey, maybe it's even good enough on average that we still do well in the North Division as a 1 line team. I'm just thinking to ever win it all we will need McDavid and Drai on their own lines, and the longer we go not trying to figure out how to make that work, the harder going back to it will be when we realize a quality opponent is able to shut our team down by stopping 1 line.


I think you're seriously overrating Eberle as a 'driver' of s line and I don't really remember him making lesser players better. To me he was a much more frustrating player to watch than RNH ad an Oiler.

I actually don't mind Nuge deferring to playing defensively, anf I think that's a condition of having that beaten into him through 3 or 4 coaches. I would agree that I would rather see RNH as the best W on the team with the other 2 playing C, than him at 2C.
confused2


Mainly just going by results. Ebs was the guy that was actually able to still keep the ice tilted in our favour away from McDrai until he was traded. Nuge was always needing to be put on a line with someone that could drive offensive play for him. I do appreciate Nuge's effort to be a good defensive player. Still a work in progress, but I think he's still improving. But it still comes at a cost. He's always lagging the play when he played with McDavid. His offense is 1 and done usually 5v5, which is why I think he needs to play with skilled passers that can slow things down in the offensive end. That 1 and done is best off being a Nuge shot from a soft area he's snuck into.

Regardless, I fully expect the McDrai top line to dominate again next game. And never know, maybe Pulju can evolve into a guy that can consistent get the puck moving into the offensive zone and we find a trio that works with Nuge. Still not that confident it's a recipe to be a cup contender though.


Eberle was not a driver, he was passenger...plain and simple



Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.


Jaysus Kr, you have to be trolling here. Who would trade RNH for Eberle straight up even at Eberle's lower AAV and if Eberle were younger? I wouldn't.



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Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.


Jaysus Kr, you have to be trolling here. Who would trade RNH for Eberle straight up even at Eberle's lower AAV and if Eberle were younger? I wouldn't.



Hard to say. Look at where the islanders are in the standings. Their best expected goals for player is...Eberle, by a few % (62.81%. Barzal is 58.88%).

If we want to have McDrai each playing C, I certainly would be open to an upgrade on the wing. Eberle is a better winger than Nuge, without a doubt. Gotta consider age and versatility of course, if McDavid or Drai are injured, Nuge is more useful then. Eberle likely starts falling off before Nuge. But right now, Eberle continues to be a better offensive hockey player and up in the air on the defensive side. Not much has been happening against with Eberle on the ice for the Islanders. Maybe that's Trotz and the system, but Eberle still stands out compared to his teammates.

Back when we were looking at trading one of Nuge/Hall/Ebs to try to improve the team, I think I was pretty honest about it here that Nuge was the guy that should go. We did the other 2, and many pathetic seasons followed as we just kept having to do McDrai on the same line to see any offense and with coaches scared to put the effort into figuring out how to get 2 lines going. Hard to blame them maybe because of how pitiful our winger situation was. And here we are again, full circle...bleh. Thank goodness for the north division at least.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 10:14

K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 09:41

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 20:41


Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.


Jaysus Kr, you have to be trolling here. Who would trade RNH for Eberle straight up even at Eberle's lower AAV and if Eberle were younger? I wouldn't.



Hard to say. Look at where the islanders are in the standings. Their best expected goals for player is...Eberle, by a few % (62.81%. Barzal is 58.88%).

If we want to have McDrai each playing C, I certainly would be open to an upgrade on the wing. Eberle is a better winger than Nuge, without a doubt. Gotta consider age and versatility of course, if McDavid or Drai are injured, Nuge is more useful then. Eberle likely starts falling off before Nuge. But right now, Eberle continues to be a better offensive hockey player and up in the air on the defensive side. Not much has been happening against with Eberle on the ice for the Islanders. Maybe that's Trotz and the system, but Eberle still stands out compared to his teammates.

Back when we were looking at trading one of Nuge/Hall/Ebs to try to improve the team, I think I was pretty honest about it here that Nuge was the guy that should go. We did the other 2, and many pathetic seasons followed as we just kept having to do McDrai on the same line to see any offense and with coaches scared to put the effort into figuring out how to get 2 lines going. Hard to blame them maybe because of how pitiful our winger situation was. And here we are again, full circle...bleh. Thank goodness for the north division at least.


I don't think I'd have traded Nugent-Hopkins for Eberle at any point in their careers, but I do think Eberle is badly underrated by Oilers fans. I think people have a hard time separating the results of bad teams with the good players on those teams. It doesn't help Eberle that he had a down season in his final year here and didn't have a huge production in the 2017 playoffs. He's shown since then that the narrative that he's not a playoff performer is total bunk. Is he a perfect player? No - but then who is? He's a very helpful player and while he's getting a little longer in the tooth now, he is still probably better than any right wing on our roster - at least at putting up points. Maybe Puljujarvi or Yamamoto can get there at some point, but at their age, Eberle was a more effective and impactful player.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 20:41


Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.


Jaysus Kr, you have to be trolling here. Who would trade RNH for Eberle straight up even at Eberle's lower AAV and if Eberle were younger? I wouldn't.



Hard to say. Look at where the islanders are in the standings. Their best expected goals for player is...Eberle, by a few % (62.81%. Barzal is 58.88%).

If we want to have McDrai each playing C, I certainly would be open to an upgrade on the wing. Eberle is a better winger than Nuge, without a doubt. Gotta consider age and versatility of course, if McDavid or Drai are injured, Nuge is more useful then. Eberle likely starts falling off before Nuge. But right now, Eberle continues to be a better offensive hockey player and up in the air on the defensive side. Not much has been happening against with Eberle on the ice for the Islanders. Maybe that's Trotz and the system, but Eberle still stands out compared to his teammates.

Back when we were looking at trading one of Nuge/Hall/Ebs to try to improve the team, I think I was pretty honest about it here that Nuge was the guy that should go. We did the other 2, and many pathetic seasons followed as we just kept having to do McDrai on the same line to see any offense and with coaches scared to put the effort into figuring out how to get 2 lines going. Hard to blame them maybe because of how pitiful our winger situation was. And here we are again, full circle...bleh. Thank goodness for the north division at least.


I don't think I'd have traded Nugent-Hopkins for Eberle at any point in their careers, but I do think Eberle is badly underrated by Oilers fans. I think people have a hard time separating the results of bad teams with the good players on those teams. It doesn't help Eberle that he had a down season in his final year here and didn't have a huge production in the 2017 playoffs. He's shown since then that the narrative that he's not a playoff performer is total bunk. Is he a perfect player? No - but then who is? He's a very helpful player and while he's getting a little longer in the tooth now, he is still probably better than any right wing on our roster - at least at putting up points. Maybe Puljujarvi or Yamamoto can get there at some point, but at their age, Eberle was a more effective and impactful player.


Nuge is more valuable because he plays C for sure. With our current roster though, if you just swap Nuge and Eberle in our lineup, I think you could argue it could lead to more wins. Nuge hasn't really found his place on this roster this year, aside from being on the left wall on the PP which Eberle would do just as well at.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 13:13

Adam wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 11:05

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 10:14

K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 09:41

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 20:41


Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.


Jaysus Kr, you have to be trolling here. Who would trade RNH for Eberle straight up even at Eberle's lower AAV and if Eberle were younger? I wouldn't.



Hard to say. Look at where the islanders are in the standings. Their best expected goals for player is...Eberle, by a few % (62.81%. Barzal is 58.88%).

If we want to have McDrai each playing C, I certainly would be open to an upgrade on the wing. Eberle is a better winger than Nuge, without a doubt. Gotta consider age and versatility of course, if McDavid or Drai are injured, Nuge is more useful then. Eberle likely starts falling off before Nuge. But right now, Eberle continues to be a better offensive hockey player and up in the air on the defensive side. Not much has been happening against with Eberle on the ice for the Islanders. Maybe that's Trotz and the system, but Eberle still stands out compared to his teammates.

Back when we were looking at trading one of Nuge/Hall/Ebs to try to improve the team, I think I was pretty honest about it here that Nuge was the guy that should go. We did the other 2, and many pathetic seasons followed as we just kept having to do McDrai on the same line to see any offense and with coaches scared to put the effort into figuring out how to get 2 lines going. Hard to blame them maybe because of how pitiful our winger situation was. And here we are again, full circle...bleh. Thank goodness for the north division at least.


I don't think I'd have traded Nugent-Hopkins for Eberle at any point in their careers, but I do think Eberle is badly underrated by Oilers fans. I think people have a hard time separating the results of bad teams with the good players on those teams. It doesn't help Eberle that he had a down season in his final year here and didn't have a huge production in the 2017 playoffs. He's shown since then that the narrative that he's not a playoff performer is total bunk. Is he a perfect player? No - but then who is? He's a very helpful player and while he's getting a little longer in the tooth now, he is still probably better than any right wing on our roster - at least at putting up points. Maybe Puljujarvi or Yamamoto can get there at some point, but at their age, Eberle was a more effective and impactful player.


Nuge is more valuable because he plays C for sure. With our current roster though, if you just swap Nuge and Eberle in our lineup, I think you could argue it could lead to more wins. Nuge hasn't really found his place on this roster this year, aside from being on the left wall on the PP which Eberle would do just as well at.



I get it. Nuge is loved. He’s been mighty good for the PP and PK, tho 5v5 meeeh. This year alone, 8 ES points, same as Jesee, though let’s not forget Jesse played what, 10 games?, with Turris while Nuge has had Leon or Connor as his C 26 games?

You can’t pay 7M for Nuge. Heck, he may even be overpaid now. But, for a guy that’s never scored 30 goals, never hit 70 points (sure, he hit 69 once and arguably may have last season).. you just can’t pay 7M on a flat cap with any term.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 13:13

Adam wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 11:05

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 10:14

K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 09:41

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 11 March 2021 20:41


Just don't think that's true in terms of generating offense. Athletically he was certainly not spectacular, but he has always been a smart and talented player that plays an efficient game. He knows how to do things that lead to offensive chances. Nuge is far less able to create offense 5v5, and there is a whole career of his stats that back that up. Nuge needs 1 less opposing player on the ice to look like a self sufficient competent playmaker.


Jaysus Kr, you have to be trolling here. Who would trade RNH for Eberle straight up even at Eberle's lower AAV and if Eberle were younger? I wouldn't.



Hard to say. Look at where the islanders are in the standings. Their best expected goals for player is...Eberle, by a few % (62.81%. Barzal is 58.88%).

If we want to have McDrai each playing C, I certainly would be open to an upgrade on the wing. Eberle is a better winger than Nuge, without a doubt. Gotta consider age and versatility of course, if McDavid or Drai are injured, Nuge is more useful then. Eberle likely starts falling off before Nuge. But right now, Eberle continues to be a better offensive hockey player and up in the air on the defensive side. Not much has been happening against with Eberle on the ice for the Islanders. Maybe that's Trotz and the system, but Eberle still stands out compared to his teammates.

Back when we were looking at trading one of Nuge/Hall/Ebs to try to improve the team, I think I was pretty honest about it here that Nuge was the guy that should go. We did the other 2, and many pathetic seasons followed as we just kept having to do McDrai on the same line to see any offense and with coaches scared to put the effort into figuring out how to get 2 lines going. Hard to blame them maybe because of how pitiful our winger situation was. And here we are again, full circle...bleh. Thank goodness for the north division at least.


I don't think I'd have traded Nugent-Hopkins for Eberle at any point in their careers, but I do think Eberle is badly underrated by Oilers fans. I think people have a hard time separating the results of bad teams with the good players on those teams. It doesn't help Eberle that he had a down season in his final year here and didn't have a huge production in the 2017 playoffs. He's shown since then that the narrative that he's not a playoff performer is total bunk. Is he a perfect player? No - but then who is? He's a very helpful player and while he's getting a little longer in the tooth now, he is still probably better than any right wing on our roster - at least at putting up points. Maybe Puljujarvi or Yamamoto can get there at some point, but at their age, Eberle was a more effective and impactful player.


Nuge is more valuable because he plays C for sure. With our current roster though, if you just swap Nuge and Eberle in our lineup, I think you could argue it could lead to more wins. Nuge hasn't really found his place on this roster this year, aside from being on the left wall on the PP which Eberle would do just as well at.



I dont think RNH is Bergeron but he is one of the teams more consistently reliable two way forwards. On a team that struggles mightily to defend I dont think that can be overlooked.
RNH is a swiss army knife right now on a team with a LOT of holes to fill.
In addition to the overall 2 way hockey he can kill penalties when needed, play on a line with tough matchups, is an overlooked key to a very successful powerplay, can play wing or center and is a senior leader on the team.
I like Eberle but you cant just compare offensive numbers and line driving anecdotal evidence when making a point that team would be better in trading for Ebs.
Eberle, like Hall, made a convenient scapegoat, and both would make the team better right now as they play a position of need. I wouldnt trade RNH for either of them straight up.

Moving RNH for any one dimensional winger that only fills that role would be a pretty massive mistake.



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