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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Ottawa (Game #14) [message #775584 is a reply to message #775532 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 00:54



You really can't judge Smith based on the game against Ottawa. He didn't fail, but that's about all you can say in a game against an opponent so weak. We now have three different wins against the Sens with three different goalies, and both Smith and Koskinen looked decent, but really weren't that challenged.

Smith is still ultimately the same guy who has been around .900 or worse the last couple seasons, and now he's a year older. It's really really unlikely that he's going to have a renaissance, even if he has a good game sometimes. I really hope that the Oilers brass understands that, but I have little faith that they do. I would still be pulling out all the stops to get a better goalie this year, and as soon as I could if I was the GM.

That said, it's nice to win again and hopefully they can do it again tomorrow and pull above .500 for the first time this season. You do hope that they don't get cocky up 3-0 in the season series, and outscoring the Senators 15-8...




Ya, it's tough to get a read on what this team is right now. 3-0 against Ottawa, 4-7 against the rest of the division. And Ottawa isn't just, "not a Cup contender", they're trending to be an awful team. On pace to win less than 10 games this season. They've given up 26 more goals than they've scored which pro-rates to -164 over an 82 game season. Detroit was brutal last year and were only -122 in 71 games (-140 prorated). But that was an exceptionally bad season. The worst team the year before was only -60.

That being said, wins count the same regardless of the opponent, so good to see them bank these points.

After tonight's game, they play 11 games against not-Ottawa, so I think we'll have a much better read on how good this team is after that. A pretty good mix, with 3 each against CGY & TOR, 2 against WPG & VAN and 1 against MTL. Then 3 in a row against OTT.

As for Smith, I'll just say the sooner the Oilers get goaltending help, the better.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 00:54



You really can't judge Smith based on the game against Ottawa. He didn't fail, but that's about all you can say in a game against an opponent so weak. We now have three different wins against the Sens with three different goalies, and both Smith and Koskinen looked decent, but really weren't that challenged.

Smith is still ultimately the same guy who has been around .900 or worse the last couple seasons, and now he's a year older. It's really really unlikely that he's going to have a renaissance, even if he has a good game sometimes. I really hope that the Oilers brass understands that, but I have little faith that they do. I would still be pulling out all the stops to get a better goalie this year, and as soon as I could if I was the GM.

That said, it's nice to win again and hopefully they can do it again tomorrow and pull above .500 for the first time this season. You do hope that they don't get cocky up 3-0 in the season series, and outscoring the Senators 15-8...




Ya, it's tough to get a read on what this team is right now. 3-0 against Ottawa, 4-7 against the rest of the division. And Ottawa isn't just, "not a Cup contender", they're trending to be an awful team. On pace to win less than 10 games this season. They've given up 26 more goals than they've scored which pro-rates to -164 over an 82 game season. Detroit was brutal last year and were only -122 in 71 games (-140 prorated). But that was an exceptionally bad season. The worst team the year before was only -60.

That being said, wins count the same regardless of the opponent, so good to see them bank these points.

After tonight's game, they play 11 games against not-Ottawa, so I think we'll have a much better read on how good this team is after that. A pretty good mix, with 3 each against CGY & TOR, 2 against WPG & VAN and 1 against MTL. Then 3 in a row against OTT.

As for Smith, I'll just say the sooner the Oilers get goaltending help, the better.

What gives me some hope about the Oilers is other than the first game against Habs where they were completely outplayed, any of their losses, they were right there. They have split games against the Leafs and a couple of the Leafs wins they got goals from lucky plays or plays that won't happen ever again. The got some bad breaks in a few other games where pucks go off legs or asses or guys backs. They get a save or 2 more and they win a few games. The Flames game. Koskinen was flat out bad, Markstrom stood on his head and they still got 4 and were probably a little unlucky not to have a couple more in the first.

At the end of the day, they lost but they aren't losing because they are grossly outmatched, they are losing because a couple of plays or bounces didn't go their way, their goalie didn't give them a few extra stops but I do wonder if that was just flat out because he played so many games in a row and a few very correctable errors cost them.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 11:51

What gives me some hope about the Oilers is other than the first game against Habs where they were completely outplayed, any of their losses, they were right there. They have split games against the Leafs and a couple of the Leafs wins they got goals from lucky plays or plays that won't happen ever again. The got some bad breaks in a few other games where pucks go off legs or asses or guys backs. They get a save or 2 more and they win a few games. The Flames game. Koskinen was flat out bad, Markstrom stood on his head and they still got 4 and were probably a little unlucky not to have a couple more in the first.

At the end of the day, they lost but they aren't losing because they are grossly outmatched, they are losing because a couple of plays or bounces didn't go their way, their goalie didn't give them a few extra stops but I do wonder if that was just flat out because he played so many games in a row and a few very correctable errors cost them.


Ya, I don't think this team is awful by any stretch, but I think the bar should be a little higher than, they aren't grossly outmatched every night. They've had some bounces go against them for sure, and they've also won one game against TOR in OT that could have gone either way (Marner had a point blank chance with about 10min to go when the game was tied), and a game against WPG where they were losing until they scored 2 goals in the last 3 minutes, so it goes both ways.

They're basically tied with Calgary for the final playoff spot. It would be a disaster for this team to not make the playoffs given the season that McDavid & Drai are having.

Like I said, I'm circling March 6th as a good time to re-visit what this team is.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Ottawa (Game #14) [message #775597 is a reply to message #775595 ]
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Goose wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 13:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 11:51

What gives me some hope about the Oilers is other than the first game against Habs where they were completely outplayed, any of their losses, they were right there. They have split games against the Leafs and a couple of the Leafs wins they got goals from lucky plays or plays that won't happen ever again. The got some bad breaks in a few other games where pucks go off legs or asses or guys backs. They get a save or 2 more and they win a few games. The Flames game. Koskinen was flat out bad, Markstrom stood on his head and they still got 4 and were probably a little unlucky not to have a couple more in the first.

At the end of the day, they lost but they aren't losing because they are grossly outmatched, they are losing because a couple of plays or bounces didn't go their way, their goalie didn't give them a few extra stops but I do wonder if that was just flat out because he played so many games in a row and a few very correctable errors cost them.


Ya, I don't think this team is awful by any stretch, but I think the bar should be a little higher than, they aren't grossly outmatched every night. They've had some bounces go against them for sure, and they've also won one game against TOR in OT that could have gone either way (Marner had a point blank chance with about 10min to go when the game was tied), and a game against WPG where they were losing until they scored 2 goals in the last 3 minutes, so it goes both ways.

They're basically tied with Calgary for the final playoff spot. It would be a disaster for this team to not make the playoffs given the season that McDavid & Drai are having.

Like I said, I'm circling March 6th as a good time to re-visit what this team is.


Agreed with this. It's a little frustrating that we are where we are at, because the holes on the team were blindingly obvious last summer and management decided to ignore them and hope for the best. With those two players on the top of their game, it's unforgivable to have a year where they're not a contender...not making the playoffs should just be a ground level base expectation.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Ottawa (Game #14) [message #775600 is a reply to message #775595 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 11:51

What gives me some hope about the Oilers is other than the first game against Habs where they were completely outplayed, any of their losses, they were right there. They have split games against the Leafs and a couple of the Leafs wins they got goals from lucky plays or plays that won't happen ever again. The got some bad breaks in a few other games where pucks go off legs or asses or guys backs. They get a save or 2 more and they win a few games. The Flames game. Koskinen was flat out bad, Markstrom stood on his head and they still got 4 and were probably a little unlucky not to have a couple more in the first.

At the end of the day, they lost but they aren't losing because they are grossly outmatched, they are losing because a couple of plays or bounces didn't go their way, their goalie didn't give them a few extra stops but I do wonder if that was just flat out because he played so many games in a row and a few very correctable errors cost them.


Ya, I don't think this team is awful by any stretch, but I think the bar should be a little higher than, they aren't grossly outmatched every night. They've had some bounces go against them for sure, and they've also won one game against TOR in OT that could have gone either way (Marner had a point blank chance with about 10min to go when the game was tied), and a game against WPG where they were losing until they scored 2 goals in the last 3 minutes, so it goes both ways.

They're basically tied with Calgary for the final playoff spot. It would be a disaster for this team to not make the playoffs given the season that McDavid & Drai are having.

Like I said, I'm circling March 6th as a good time to re-visit what this team is.

They definitely can't afford to waste the start McD and Leon have had, that's for sure.

I definitely didn't envision Turris being this bad. I didn't expect him to be a defensive specialist nor did I expect him to be scoring at a top 6 rate but I did expected a 31 yr old vet of over 700 games to not be a complete disaster in his own zone and at least chip in a little offense.

I didn't expect Larsson to be as shaky has he's been His skating and puck moving weren't going to be great but the mistakes he's making are what I'd expect a first year dman fresh out of junior.

I'm a bit surprised at the struggles of Jones. With his level of experience in the AHL and some NHL, I expected him to make some mistakes but not be as bad as he's been. He played 43 games last year and towards the end of it looked like he was ready. He came back and looked like he was still a ways away which was surprising to me.

I'm a bit surprised at Nuge's start. It isn't necessarily bad with 11 pts in 14 games but in a contract year I expected a big year from him and he's on a line who's scoring 2 pts per game getting a TON of minutes especially on the PP.

So the nice thing is the Oilers are in the 4th spot even with those 4 off to slow starts. So a good chance they could improve which will help.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 13:39

Goose wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 13:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 11:51

What gives me some hope about the Oilers is other than the first game against Habs where they were completely outplayed, any of their losses, they were right there. They have split games against the Leafs and a couple of the Leafs wins they got goals from lucky plays or plays that won't happen ever again. The got some bad breaks in a few other games where pucks go off legs or asses or guys backs. They get a save or 2 more and they win a few games. The Flames game. Koskinen was flat out bad, Markstrom stood on his head and they still got 4 and were probably a little unlucky not to have a couple more in the first.

At the end of the day, they lost but they aren't losing because they are grossly outmatched, they are losing because a couple of plays or bounces didn't go their way, their goalie didn't give them a few extra stops but I do wonder if that was just flat out because he played so many games in a row and a few very correctable errors cost them.


Ya, I don't think this team is awful by any stretch, but I think the bar should be a little higher than, they aren't grossly outmatched every night. They've had some bounces go against them for sure, and they've also won one game against TOR in OT that could have gone either way (Marner had a point blank chance with about 10min to go when the game was tied), and a game against WPG where they were losing until they scored 2 goals in the last 3 minutes, so it goes both ways.

They're basically tied with Calgary for the final playoff spot. It would be a disaster for this team to not make the playoffs given the season that McDavid & Drai are having.

Like I said, I'm circling March 6th as a good time to re-visit what this team is.

They definitely can't afford to waste the start McD and Leon have had, that's for sure.

I definitely didn't envision Turris being this bad. I didn't expect him to be a defensive specialist nor did I expect him to be scoring at a top 6 rate but I did expected a 31 yr old vet of over 700 games to not be a complete disaster in his own zone and at least chip in a little offense.

I didn't expect Larsson to be as shaky has he's been His skating and puck moving weren't going to be great but the mistakes he's making are what I'd expect a first year dman fresh out of junior.

I'm a bit surprised at the struggles of Jones. With his level of experience in the AHL and some NHL, I expected him to make some mistakes but not be as bad as he's been. He played 43 games last year and towards the end of it looked like he was ready. He came back and looked like he was still a ways away which was surprising to me.

I'm a bit surprised at Nuge's start. It isn't necessarily bad with 11 pts in 14 games but in a contract year I expected a big year from him and he's on a line who's scoring 2 pts per game getting a TON of minutes especially on the PP.

So the nice thing is the Oilers are in the 4th spot even with those 4 off to slow starts. So a good chance they could improve which will help.


I don't think Turris or Larsson get much better. I think that is what you get now.

Larsson has been slowed by injuries, and Turris has been in decline for the last couple years. There were a lot of people predicting this when he was signed, so I don't think it's a big surprise.

I don't think Jones has been bad - he just hasn't been in the lineup much. He struggled in the first couple games, but he's been fine ever since. The coach just prefers older veterans so once Cowboy got in, he's been locked in to that spot.

Nugent-Hopkins, likewise, has been far from struggling. He's been a little unlucky on the scoreboard maybe, but he's getting chances on a line that's looked good generally.

The biggest hole, as it was in the off-season, is between the pipes.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Ottawa (Game #14) [message #775569 is a reply to message #775494 ]
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lol, Tippett mocks Matty a bit at 2:30 here. Tells Matty about how he was asking for Kassian to get more penalty minutes. There ya go Matty, happy?



Matty asks him almost the same thing this morning at 7:30

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With Kassian out "week to week" with an upper-body inj after his scrap with Gudbranson off a face-off, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it obviously. It wasn't a hockey play. "It's unfortunate but you can get hurt when a shot hits you or in a fight," said Tippett.


Spector and Matty calling for Kassian to get PIM's ASAP somehow before last game. Matty is now really mad that Kassian got PIMs.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 16:15

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With Kassian out "week to week" with an upper-body inj after his scrap with Gudbranson off a face-off, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it obviously. It wasn't a hockey play. "It's unfortunate but you can get hurt when a shot hits you or in a fight," said Tippett.


Spector and Matty calling for Kassian to get PIM's ASAP somehow before last game. Matty is now really mad that Kassian got PIMs.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 14:15

Jim Matheson @jimmathesonnhl
With Kassian out "week to week" with an upper-body inj after his scrap with Gudbranson off a face-off, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it obviously. It wasn't a hockey play. "It's unfortunate but you can get hurt when a shot hits you or in a fight," said Tippett.


Spector and Matty calling for Kassian to get PIM's ASAP somehow before last game. Matty is now really mad that Kassian got PIMs.


Was it Matheson who called out Kassian to his coach? and then says this.. what a clown.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 14:15

Jim Matheson @jimmathesonnhl
With Kassian out "week to week" with an upper-body inj after his scrap with Gudbranson off a face-off, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it obviously. It wasn't a hockey play. "It's unfortunate but you can get hurt when a shot hits you or in a fight," said Tippett.


Spector and Matty calling for Kassian to get PIM's ASAP somehow before last game. Matty is now really mad that Kassian got PIMs.


Was it Matheson who called out Kassian to his coach? and then says this.. what a clown.


Poor Matheson, he's just addicted to getting ratioed on twitter.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 February 2021 14:15

Jim Matheson @jimmathesonnhl
With Kassian out "week to week" with an upper-body inj after his scrap with Gudbranson off a face-off, it makes you wonder whether it was worth it obviously. It wasn't a hockey play. "It's unfortunate but you can get hurt when a shot hits you or in a fight," said Tippett.


Spector and Matty calling for Kassian to get PIM's ASAP somehow before last game. Matty is now really mad that Kassian got PIMs.


Was it Matheson who called out Kassian to his coach? and then says this.. what a clown.


Yeah, it's not that it wasn't a kinda pointless way to be hurt. It's that Matty and Spector were both ranting away at Kassian's lack of PIMs and how he wasn't getting involved emotionally.

I'm sure now they will claim they just wanted a roughing penalty or something as the proof they needed Kassian was engaged.

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