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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774049 is a reply to message #774038 ]
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Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774050 is a reply to message #774049 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774056 is a reply to message #774050 ]
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Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774057 is a reply to message #774056 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 January 2021 22:50]

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774063 is a reply to message #774057 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.


The problem isn't that they're bad goals, it's that he makes so few great saves. Sometimes your goalie has to just stop the puck. Jason Gregor had the argument that the two games where he's given up 5 goals, none of the goals were terrible. That may be true, but a good goalie stops some of them all the same. We're getting none of that from Koskinen, especially at key points and it has to be demoralizing for the team.

The defence and depth forwards all suck too though, so I agree there.

And the Matthews goal doesn't happen if Yamamoto doesn't muff that clearing attempt.

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774065 is a reply to message #774063 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:59

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.


The problem isn't that they're bad goals, it's that he makes so few great saves. Sometimes your goalie has to just stop the puck. Jason Gregor had the argument that the two games where he's given up 5 goals, none of the goals were terrible. That may be true, but a good goalie stops some of them all the same. We're getting none of that from Koskinen, especially at key points and it has to be demoralizing for the team.

The defence and depth forwards all suck too though, so I agree there.

And the Matthews goal doesn't happen if Yamamoto doesn't muff that clearing attempt.


He made a great save to keep us within 1. Then we tried to score from the goal line a few times to finish the game off.

Last game Hellebuyck let in 2 or 3 turd goals that people would be going insane about if Koskinen allowed, and we still find a way to lose, letting the Jets fire on open nets.

Koskinen isn't great. He's not going to steal many games. You actually have to play 80% or more of the game in front of him if you want to win. We only managed around 33% tonight.

Personally, I'm looking many other places right now for reasons we lost. This team is perfectly capable of destroying the confidence of any number of goalies. It likely requires a generational tier goalie to survive this clown show for a whole season. This is the kind of team that has guys like Dubs and Talbot leaving with everyone thinking their career should be over. We're making things worse too of course by having zero NHL quality backup.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 January 2021 23:08]

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- Lowe, 2013

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774068 is a reply to message #774065 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:59

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.


The problem isn't that they're bad goals, it's that he makes so few great saves. Sometimes your goalie has to just stop the puck. Jason Gregor had the argument that the two games where he's given up 5 goals, none of the goals were terrible. That may be true, but a good goalie stops some of them all the same. We're getting none of that from Koskinen, especially at key points and it has to be demoralizing for the team.

The defence and depth forwards all suck too though, so I agree there.

And the Matthews goal doesn't happen if Yamamoto doesn't muff that clearing attempt.


He made a great save to keep us within 1. Then we tried to score from the goal line a few times to finish the game off.

Last game Hellebuyck let in 2 or 3 turd goals that people would be going insane about if Koskinen allowed, and we still find a way to lose, letting the Jets fire on open nets.

Koskinen isn't great. He's not going to steal many games. You actually have to play 80% or more of the game in front of him if you want to win. We only managed around 33% tonight.

Personally, I'm looking many other places right now for reasons we lost. This team is perfectly capable of destroying the confidence of any number of goalies. It likely requires a generational tier goalie to survive this clown show for a whole season. This is the kind of team that has guys like Dubs and Talbot leaving with everyone thinking their career should be over. We're making things worse too of course by having zero NHL quality backup.


Speaking of which, Cam Talbot is 2-1-0 with a 2.34 GAA and a .925 sv% so far this year...

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774071 is a reply to message #774068 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:59

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.


The problem isn't that they're bad goals, it's that he makes so few great saves. Sometimes your goalie has to just stop the puck. Jason Gregor had the argument that the two games where he's given up 5 goals, none of the goals were terrible. That may be true, but a good goalie stops some of them all the same. We're getting none of that from Koskinen, especially at key points and it has to be demoralizing for the team.

The defence and depth forwards all suck too though, so I agree there.

And the Matthews goal doesn't happen if Yamamoto doesn't muff that clearing attempt.


He made a great save to keep us within 1. Then we tried to score from the goal line a few times to finish the game off.

Last game Hellebuyck let in 2 or 3 turd goals that people would be going insane about if Koskinen allowed, and we still find a way to lose, letting the Jets fire on open nets.

Koskinen isn't great. He's not going to steal many games. You actually have to play 80% or more of the game in front of him if you want to win. We only managed around 33% tonight.

Personally, I'm looking many other places right now for reasons we lost. This team is perfectly capable of destroying the confidence of any number of goalies. It likely requires a generational tier goalie to survive this clown show for a whole season. This is the kind of team that has guys like Dubs and Talbot leaving with everyone thinking their career should be over. We're making things worse too of course by having zero NHL quality backup.


Speaking of which, Cam Talbot is 2-1-0 with a 2.34 GAA and a .925 sv% so far this year...



Dubs had a heck of a career too! Think he's kinda broken now with injuries, but oh well. Both guys leave here broken men after an endless onslaught behind completely inept D.

We've had many goalies come here and play like gods for a few weeks. But we eventually destroy them too. Where's a Hasek when you need one? :)


I'm not liking where this is going for Koskinen. Even worse would be us buying him out next off-season as punishment and we're stuck with him on the cap for 2 more years. Would be hilarious if he goes and shows us up on a decent team while we're still paying him.

[Updated on: Thu, 28 January 2021 23:16]

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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 Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #9) [message #774075 is a reply to message #774071 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:15

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:59

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.


The problem isn't that they're bad goals, it's that he makes so few great saves. Sometimes your goalie has to just stop the puck. Jason Gregor had the argument that the two games where he's given up 5 goals, none of the goals were terrible. That may be true, but a good goalie stops some of them all the same. We're getting none of that from Koskinen, especially at key points and it has to be demoralizing for the team.

The defence and depth forwards all suck too though, so I agree there.

And the Matthews goal doesn't happen if Yamamoto doesn't muff that clearing attempt.


He made a great save to keep us within 1. Then we tried to score from the goal line a few times to finish the game off.

Last game Hellebuyck let in 2 or 3 turd goals that people would be going insane about if Koskinen allowed, and we still find a way to lose, letting the Jets fire on open nets.

Koskinen isn't great. He's not going to steal many games. You actually have to play 80% or more of the game in front of him if you want to win. We only managed around 33% tonight.

Personally, I'm looking many other places right now for reasons we lost. This team is perfectly capable of destroying the confidence of any number of goalies. It likely requires a generational tier goalie to survive this clown show for a whole season. This is the kind of team that has guys like Dubs and Talbot leaving with everyone thinking their career should be over. We're making things worse too of course by having zero NHL quality backup.


Speaking of which, Cam Talbot is 2-1-0 with a 2.34 GAA and a .925 sv% so far this year...



Dubs had a heck of a career too! Think he's kinda broken now with injuries, but oh well. Both guys leave here broken men after an endless onslaught behind completely inept D.

We've had many goalies come here and play like gods for a few weeks. But we eventually destroy them too. Where's a Hasek when you need one? :)


I'm not liking where this is going for Koskinen. Even worse would be us buying him out next off-season as punishment and we're stuck with him on the cap for 2 more years. Would be hilarious if he goes and shows us up on a decent team while we're still paying him.


He's still the best goalie we have, so I wouldn't flush him. He's not good and probably ideally isn't the starter, but he's not horribly awful. If the Oilers buy him out, then they still need TWO goalies instead of just one.

I do think Hasek at age 56 may still be better than what we have. Holland knows him too - I'm surprised we didn't learn he'd made a call...

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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:15

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 23:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:59

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:43

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:34

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:32

Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:10

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:08

Koskinen - least clutch goalie ever.

Gustavsson wants you to hold his beer.


You just had to get Koskinen to go and prove the point...

Yeah, well, if the Oil actually had a competent D corps, Koski wouldn't be forced into being a clutch goalie. We all knew what he was going into the season, so the team had to improve the pairings in front of him but didn't.


As I mentioned a few days ago, Steve Valiquette was on the radio recently saying something like Koskinen gave up the most goals in the league last year when tied in the third period. Basically, he never comes up with the clutch stop.

Twice tonight, the team fights back and gets the game tied, and he immediately gives it right back. 0:56 and then 2:25. At some point you need a save. Maybe you can forgive the tip, but that Matthews goal was a shot from a long way out that just flat out beat him.


What is he supposed to do on those 2 goals though? We leave Simmonds completely alone and he tips the puck up. 0 chance to save that unless Koskinen is a sumo wrestler. Lame play by Nurse leaving Simmonds to make a pitiful block attempt so that best case Bear has to battle 2 leafs in front of the net if there is a rebound.

Then we let Matthews walk in and he puts it right over Koskinen's pad. That goes in on most goalies if it finds its way through the traffic.

Not sure what miracles people are hoping for from Koskinen, but this is more of an issue of this team just not playing after they score. We only try hard when we're down. No surprise we get scored on a lot in tied games.

This is kind of a loser team that constantly chokes.


The problem isn't that they're bad goals, it's that he makes so few great saves. Sometimes your goalie has to just stop the puck. Jason Gregor had the argument that the two games where he's given up 5 goals, none of the goals were terrible. That may be true, but a good goalie stops some of them all the same. We're getting none of that from Koskinen, especially at key points and it has to be demoralizing for the team.

The defence and depth forwards all suck too though, so I agree there.

And the Matthews goal doesn't happen if Yamamoto doesn't muff that clearing attempt.


He made a great save to keep us within 1. Then we tried to score from the goal line a few times to finish the game off.

Last game Hellebuyck let in 2 or 3 turd goals that people would be going insane about if Koskinen allowed, and we still find a way to lose, letting the Jets fire on open nets.

Koskinen isn't great. He's not going to steal many games. You actually have to play 80% or more of the game in front of him if you want to win. We only managed around 33% tonight.

Personally, I'm looking many other places right now for reasons we lost. This team is perfectly capable of destroying the confidence of any number of goalies. It likely requires a generational tier goalie to survive this clown show for a whole season. This is the kind of team that has guys like Dubs and Talbot leaving with everyone thinking their career should be over. We're making things worse too of course by having zero NHL quality backup.


Speaking of which, Cam Talbot is 2-1-0 with a 2.34 GAA and a .925 sv% so far this year...



Dubs had a heck of a career too! Think he's kinda broken now with injuries, but oh well. Both guys leave here broken men after an endless onslaught behind completely inept D.

We've had many goalies come here and play like gods for a few weeks. But we eventually destroy them too. Where's a Hasek when you need one? :)


I'm not liking where this is going for Koskinen. Even worse would be us buying him out next off-season as punishment and we're stuck with him on the cap for 2 more years. Would be hilarious if he goes and shows us up on a decent team while we're still paying him.


He's still the best goalie we have, so I wouldn't flush him. He's not good and probably ideally isn't the starter, but he's not horribly awful. If the Oilers buy him out, then they still need TWO goalies instead of just one.

I do think Hasek at age 56 may still be better than what we have. Holland knows him too - I'm surprised we didn't learn he'd made a call...



I know but, gotta punish someone. He will top the list along with Kahun not scoring 12+ goals as reasons for the failed season. I'm sure Bobby Nicks will be cheerleading accountability for Koskinen by us paying him to lose the privilege to be an Oiler.

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Depth scoring!

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Dangit, the Oil are losing again after a failed Yams clearing attempt on the PK winds up in the Oil net off the stick of Matthews. It's OK, there is still time for the refs to step in.

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The refs did their job again, Oil, now the ball is in your court.

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:20

Dangit, the Oil are losing again after a failed Yams clearing attempt on the PK winds up in the Oil net off the stick of Matthews. It's OK, there is still time for the refs to step in.

Well, you called it.

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We just love the impossible angle shots/deflections

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:29

We just love the impossible angle shots/deflections

Well, it was Drai taking them, so I could live with it. If anyone should be trying those shots, it should be the guy with the hot hands....

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Soft first goal.
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PK didn't do the job.

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:30

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 January 2021 22:29

We just love the impossible angle shots/deflections

Well, it was Drai taking them, so I could live with it. If anyone should be trying those shots, it should be the guy with the hot hands....


Neal got in on the action. Put it into the mesh on the side of the net.

Bleh.

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